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Re: 75th Avenue (Re: What Are the Now-Abandoned Stations You Once Used Regularly?) |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Sun Mar 28 15:23:21 2021, in response to 75th Avenue (Re: What Are the Now-Abandoned Stations You Once Used Regularly?), posted by Mitch45 on Thu Mar 11 14:29:54 2021. I lived on 113th & 76th Rd in the late 1980s. The location of 75th Avenue's entrances made it easier on weekday mornings to walk an extra block to 78th Ave and catch the F from Union Tpk. At 75th in the AMs the E usually held for an F to pass. In the PM if I was on the F I just walked back.There were mostly single family houses and only a few apartment buildings between QB and GCP until the 1960s. The retail and businesses still are low density, local-serving. Density on the other side of QB is only slightly higher. To this day these limit the potential ridership for the station. |
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Re: 75th Avenue (Re: What Are the Now-Abandoned Stations You Once Used Regularly?) |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sun Mar 28 18:31:23 2021, in response to Re: 75th Avenue (Re: What Are the Now-Abandoned Stations You Once Used Regularly?), posted by Dupont Circle Station on Sun Mar 28 15:23:21 2021. Also, there was once most likely an entrance/exit on the northside of Queens Boulevard positioned for 76th Avenue (75th Road), but that was closed and sealed off a very long time ago. There is still that one on the southside of the block though.So, basically, there are currently three entrances/exits at that 75th Avenue station along Queens Boulevard: northside and southside each at 75th Avenue, and southside at 76th Avenue (75th Road). Not much passenger usage seen during the weekends too, and MTABC route #Q60 is the only bus line that passes by above on the street. -William A. Padron ["<-76th Ave-<"] |
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Re: 75th Avenue (Re: What Are the Now-Abandoned Stations You Once Used Regularly?) |
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Posted by mta t on Sun Mar 28 19:46:01 2021, in response to Re: 75th Avenue (Re: What Are the Now-Abandoned Stations You Once Used Regularly?), posted by William A. Padron on Sun Mar 28 18:31:23 2021. There was no entrance/exit to the north side of Queens Blvd at the east end of the station, but there is a provision for one that was never opened. |
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Re: 75th Avenue (Re: What Are the Now-Abandoned Stations You Once Used Regularly?) |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Sun Mar 28 23:29:05 2021, in response to Re: 75th Avenue (Re: What Are the Now-Abandoned Stations You Once Used Regularly?), posted by William A. Padron on Sun Mar 28 18:31:23 2021. I used the south side entrance between 76th Ave & 75th Rd mornings I was dropping off my laundry/dry cleaning. (It was right at the top of the stairs.) |
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Re: 75th Avenue (Re: What Are the Now-Abandoned Stations You Once Used Regularly?) |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Mar 28 23:54:00 2021, in response to Re: 75th Avenue (Re: What Are the Now-Abandoned Stations You Once Used Regularly?), posted by Dupont Circle Station on Sun Mar 28 15:23:21 2021. It's probably not too expensive to keep the station open. |
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Re: 75th Avenue (Re: What Are the Now-Abandoned Stations You Once Used Regularly?) |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Mon Apr 5 13:48:48 2021, in response to Re: 75th Avenue (Re: What Are the Now-Abandoned Stations You Once Used Regularly?), posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 16 16:43:25 2021. As part of the recapture of Liberty and Culver, those platforms had to be extended. |
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IND Station Platforms Less Than 600 Feet In Length [Re: 75th Avenue] |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Mon Apr 5 14:30:05 2021, in response to Re: 75th Avenue (Re: What Are the Now-Abandoned Stations You Once Used Regularly?), posted by Union Tpke on Mon Apr 5 13:48:48 2021. From that 1941 IND Employee "Yellow" Book, page 93...STATION PLATFORMS Less Than 600 Feet In Length 163rd St. = 600' with future extensions, 60' long at north end of SB platform and 60' at south end of NB platform. 155th St. = 600' with future extensions, 60' long at north ends. 135th St. = 600' with future extensions, 60' long at north ends. 125th St. = Southbound platform 600' long with 60' future extensions at the north end, northbound platform 660' long. 116th St. = 596', with future extensions 64' long at norrh ends. 110th St. = 600' for SB platform and 605' for NB platform, with future extensions 50' long on NB and 55' long on SB platforms at NE. 103rd St. = 600' with future extensions 60' long at south ends. 86th St. = 600' with future extensions 60' long at south ends. 81st St. = 600' lower level platform and 630' for upper level, 30' future extensions at north end of UL and 60' future extension at north end of LL. 72nd St. = 600' with future extensions 60' long at south ends. Canal St. = 600' with future extensions 60' long at south end for NB platform only. SB platform 660' long. Elmhurst Avenue = 600' with future extensions 60' long at south ends. 63rd Drive = 600' with future extensions 60' long at south ends. 67th Avenue = 600' with future extensions 60' long at south ends. 75th Avenue = 600' for Northbound platform with future extensions 60' long at south end. The ten car stop marker at these stations are located so as to center a train in Station. No platforms on the Concourse Line or the Smith St. Line are under 660 feet. Source: ERA R-10 Subway Special Brochure, June 8, 1986. -William A. Padron ["D1-1591"] |
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Re: IND Station Platforms Less Than 600 Feet In Length [Re: 75th Avenue] |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Apr 5 15:54:54 2021, in response to IND Station Platforms Less Than 600 Feet In Length [Re: 75th Avenue], posted by William A. Padron on Mon Apr 5 14:30:05 2021. Why would they create stations with such a big platform difference (50-60 feet)? |
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Re: 75th Avenue (Re: What Are the Now-Abandoned Stations You Once Used Regularly?) |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Apr 5 16:23:29 2021, in response to Re: 75th Avenue (Re: What Are the Now-Abandoned Stations You Once Used Regularly?), posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 16 16:43:25 2021. I believe the IND 8th Ave local stations, from 59th St to 168th St were originally built for 11-car trains. They were later walled off for 10-car trains, later on. |
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Re: IND Station Platforms Less Than 600 Feet In Length [Re: 75th Avenue] |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Apr 5 21:11:17 2021, in response to IND Station Platforms Less Than 600 Feet In Length [Re: 75th Avenue], posted by William A. Padron on Mon Apr 5 14:30:05 2021. You notice that although the title reads “Platforms less than 600 Feet in length” it is a typo and should have read “Platforms less than 660 Feet in length." |
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Re: 75th Avenue (Re: What Are the Now-Abandoned Stations You Once Used Regularly?) |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Apr 5 21:12:03 2021, in response to Re: 75th Avenue (Re: What Are the Now-Abandoned Stations You Once Used Regularly?), posted by Elkeeper on Mon Apr 5 16:23:29 2021. I don't rcall them ever being walled off. |
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Posted by gbs on Tue Apr 6 04:17:06 2021, in response to IND Station Platforms Less Than 600 Feet In Length [Re: 75th Avenue], posted by William A. Padron on Mon Apr 5 14:30:05 2021. 168 St (F) is also just 600', with the 10-car stop marker in the tunnel. |
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Re: IND Station Platforms Less Than 660 Feet In Length [Re: 75th Avenue] |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Apr 6 14:20:08 2021, in response to IND Station Platforms Less Than 600 Feet In Length [Re: 75th Avenue], posted by William A. Padron on Mon Apr 5 14:30:05 2021. Corrected title. |
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Re: IND Station Platforms Less Than 660 Feet In Length [Re: 75th Avenue] |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Apr 6 15:08:53 2021, in response to Re: IND Station Platforms Less Than 660 Feet In Length [Re: 75th Avenue], posted by italianstallion on Tue Apr 6 14:20:08 2021. For the record, it was the BOT themselves that issued that Station Lengths List in that IND employee handbook of 1941 with the "Less Than 600 Feet" title. So, it was their error as seen printed though.-William A. Padron ["<-116-<"] |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Apr 6 19:34:46 2021, in response to Re: IND Station Platforms Less Than 600 Feet In Length [Re: 75th Avenue], posted by randyo on Mon Apr 5 21:11:17 2021. As I said previously, they were walled off for 10 car IND trains. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Apr 6 20:46:56 2021, in response to Re: IND Station Platforms Less Than 600 Feet In Length [Re: 75th Avenue], posted by Elkeeper on Tue Apr 6 19:34:46 2021. I’ve ridden and worked the IND from end to end and I never saw any platforms that were walled off at the ends. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Apr 6 20:47:52 2021, in response to Re: IND Station Platforms Less Than 660 Feet In Length [Re: 75th Avenue], posted by William A. Padron on Tue Apr 6 15:08:53 2021. That’s correct. it was the B ofT’s error. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Wed Apr 7 01:33:25 2021, in response to Re: IND Station Platforms Less Than 600 Feet In Length [Re: 75th Avenue], posted by randyo on Tue Apr 6 20:46:56 2021. Agreed! I too have been to every one of the IND stations, and have never seen any evidence of any original length platforms that had been designed to be closed, altered, shortened or "walled" off at the ends.-William A. Padron ["600'-660'"] |
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Re: 75th Avenue (Re: What Are the Now-Abandoned Stations You Once Used Regularly?) |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Wed Apr 7 11:41:14 2021, in response to Re: 75th Avenue (Re: What Are the Now-Abandoned Stations You Once Used Regularly?), posted by Union Tpke on Mon Apr 5 13:48:48 2021. As part of the recapture of Liberty and Culver, those platforms had to be extended.They were nou recaptured! To recapture something implies you once lost it! They were not ever lost. it should read (As part of the capture of Liberty and Culver, those platforms had to be extended.) |
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Re: 75th Avenue (Re: What Are the Now-Abandoned Stations You Once Used Regularly?) |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Wed Apr 7 11:41:19 2021, in response to Re: 75th Avenue (Re: What Are the Now-Abandoned Stations You Once Used Regularly?), posted by Union Tpke on Mon Apr 5 13:48:48 2021. As part of the recapture of Liberty and Culver, those platforms had to be extended.They were nou recaptured! To recapture something implies you once lost it! They were not ever lost. it should read (As part of the capture of Liberty and Culver, those platforms had to be extended.) |
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Re: 75th Avenue (Re: What Are the Now-Abandoned Stations You Once Used Regularly?) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 7 12:06:51 2021, in response to Re: 75th Avenue (Re: What Are the Now-Abandoned Stations You Once Used Regularly?), posted by Avid Reader on Wed Apr 7 11:41:14 2021. The term "recapture" was used by the Dual Contracts and reflected the fact that the City owned the lines and leased them to the private operators. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 7 12:23:36 2021, in response to Re: 75th Avenue (Re: What Are the Now-Abandoned Stations You Once Used Regularly?), posted by Avid Reader on Wed Apr 7 11:41:14 2021. "Lost" to the private sector operation. Eventually taken back under auspisces of the IND Divsion. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Apr 7 15:49:13 2021, in response to Re: 75th Avenue (Re: What Are the Now-Abandoned Stations You Once Used Regularly?), posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 7 12:23:36 2021. I always wondered why the City did not try to "recapture" the BRT in 1919, or the IRT in 1932, after their respective bankruptcies. I know that the BRT's bankruptcy was done mainly to preserve their post-Malbone St assets, but the IRT did almost go under in 1932. |
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Re: IND Station Platforms Less Than 600 Feet In Length [Re: 75th Avenue] |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Apr 7 22:43:16 2021, in response to Re: IND Station Platforms Less Than 600 Feet In Length [Re: 75th Avenue], posted by randyo on Tue Apr 6 20:46:56 2021. Didn't they do that with 5th Ave/53rd Street? I think they eventually got rid of it, but at the time, it was the only place to see the original tiles. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 8 00:40:50 2021, in response to Re: 75th Avenue (Re: What Are the Now-Abandoned Stations You Once Used Regularly?), posted by Elkeeper on Wed Apr 7 15:49:13 2021. 1919, I’m not sure about, but in 1932, the country was at the beginning of the great depression and was sinking what money it had into the IND. The probably wasn’t enough money in the till to acquire the IRT at the time. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 8 00:53:14 2021, in response to Re: IND Station Platforms Less Than 600 Feet In Length [Re: 75th Avenue], posted by 3-9 on Wed Apr 7 22:43:16 2021. Not sure about that one but there was an odd feature about that station. The original tower that controlled the diamond Xover N/O Lex Ave/53 was at the N/E of the platform. Till the old signaling was replaced, the model board was still in the tower room even though the interlocking machine had been removed. When I wen tin there one afternoon, I saw the model board and it was missing2 thins. One was the station at 23/Ely which it is known did lot open till several years after the line opened and the other was the diamond Xover S/O the station which I wasn’t aware was not there when the line first opened either. For some reason, when the 5 Av/53 station was built there was no provision for a tower at that station so when the 6 Av Line opened a steel tower was constructed at the S/E of the S/B platform and you could still see the original tile wall inside the tower. Why the IND didn’t build a tower room at that station in anticipation of a 6 Ave lone I don’t know. I don’t know where the original interlocking machine from Lex went to either. |
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Re: 75th Avenue (Re: What Are the Now-Abandoned Stations You Once Used Regularly?) |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Apr 8 01:40:46 2021, in response to Re: 75th Avenue (Re: What Are the Now-Abandoned Stations You Once Used Regularly?), posted by randyo on Thu Apr 8 00:40:50 2021. The BRT officially declared bankruptcy on Dec 31st, 1918. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Apr 8 04:57:07 2021, in response to Re: IND Station Platforms Less Than 600 Feet In Length [Re: 75th Avenue], posted by William A. Padron on Wed Apr 7 01:33:25 2021. I seem to recall there used to be more platform space years ago at 42nd St-8th Ave. I used that station every Saturday from 1967 to 1970. |
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Re: 75th Avenue (Re: What Are the Now-Abandoned Stations You Once Used Regularly?) |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 8 16:04:48 2021, in response to Re: 75th Avenue (Re: What Are the Now-Abandoned Stations You Once Used Regularly?), posted by Elkeeper on Thu Apr 8 01:40:46 2021. True, but back then the country was just coming out of WWI. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Apr 9 09:17:19 2021, in response to Re: IND Station Platforms Less Than 600 Feet In Length [Re: 75th Avenue], posted by randyo on Thu Apr 8 00:53:14 2021. Interesting, thanks for the trivia! |
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Posted by Express Rider on Fri Apr 9 23:19:14 2021, in response to Re: What Are the Now-Abandoned Stations You Once Used Regularly?, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Mar 11 14:06:16 2021. I railfanned to the inner platform once during the summer of 1970. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Fri Apr 9 23:23:19 2021, in response to Re: What Are the Now-Abandoned Stations You Once Used Regularly?, posted by AlM on Thu Mar 11 10:55:00 2021. rode the 3rd ave. el summer of 1970, took a few photos including a nice b&w 3/4 view of a World's Fair IRT car. |
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Re: IND Station Platforms Less Than 600 Feet In Length [Re: 75th Avenue] |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Apr 10 10:07:06 2021, in response to Re: IND Station Platforms Less Than 600 Feet In Length [Re: 75th Avenue], posted by randyo on Thu Apr 8 00:53:14 2021. The other odd thing about 5th Ave./53rd St. station is that the two levels of it had different color tile stripes, I think from the start. Green on one level and red (or maybe purple) on the other? Was any other station like that? I don't think so.And of course it is featured on the cover of Simon and Garfunkel's first album. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 10 10:41:55 2021, in response to Re: IND Station Platforms Less Than 600 Feet In Length [Re: 75th Avenue], posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Apr 10 10:07:06 2021. And that's where Henry Fonda boards a train in The Wrong Man. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Apr 11 16:08:30 2021, in response to Re: What Are the Now-Abandoned Stations You Once Used Regularly?, posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Mar 11 02:36:31 2021. Wow, SUNY Stony Brook could afford to take over another campus? What do they do now, run shuttle buses to another LIRR stop? |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Thu Apr 15 14:13:50 2021, in response to IND Station Platforms Less Than 600 Feet In Length [Re: 75th Avenue], posted by William A. Padron on Mon Apr 5 14:30:05 2021. Could you possible scan this part, or even better, all of this document? I would love to cite this on Wikipedia. Thanks! |
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Re: 75th Avenue (Re: What Are the Now-Abandoned Stations You Once Used Regularly?) |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Thu Apr 15 14:48:17 2021, in response to Re: 75th Avenue (Re: What Are the Now-Abandoned Stations You Once Used Regularly?), posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 7 12:06:51 2021. Precisely! |
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