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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Feb 20 08:13:30 2021 Tuscarora Almanac – February 22, 1915 – The Book of First Runs Queens, New York Brooklyn Rapid Transit Corporation The new elevated structure on the Myrtle Avenue Line between Wycloff Avenue and Fresh Pond Road is placed in service. This replaces the former surface right-of-way which remains intact under the el. Source: New York Division Bulletin /February 2005, article by Mr. Bernard Linder Tuscarora Almanac - February 22, 1985 - The Book of First Runs Bronx, New York New York City Transit Authority IND Division The first train of overhauled R-10's is placed in service on the "CC" train from Bedford Park Boulevard to Rockaway Park. The consist was (s) 3176, 3011, 2961, 3003, 3021, 2960, 3107 and 3047. The cars are painted Pullman Green with silver roofs. Source: New York Division Bulletin /April 1985 Tuscarora Almanac – February 22, 2004 – The Book of First Runs Manhattan, New York New York City Transit Authority BMT Division Service is finally restored to all four tracks on the Manhattan Bridge for the first time in nearly a decade. “B” and “D” trains will use the tracks on the north side while “N” and “Q” trains will use the tracks on the south side. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sat Feb 20 09:51:25 2021, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for February 20, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Feb 20 08:13:30 2021. In reply to the entry for February 22, 1985..The first train of overhauled R-10's is placed in service on the "CC" train from Bedford Park Boulevard to Rockaway Park. The consist was (s) 3176, 3011, 2961, 3003, 3021, 2960, 3107 and 3047. The cars are painted Pullman Green with silver roofs. The irony is that, in a full circle, the last known recorded regular in-service passenger run with the green-painted R-10's included car #2961. If you recall my previous posts on this topic, it was on Friday, September 8, 1989 with the 7:36am put-in from Rockaway Park, and the use of these units in that eight-car consist. n/#3209-3157-2961-3159-3181-3169-3008-3168/s -Wiliiam A. Padron ["(C) 8 Avenue Local"] |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sat Feb 20 10:28:32 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 20, posted by William A. Padron on Sat Feb 20 09:51:25 2021. Meanwhile, back on February 20, 1948 (73 years ago), at the American Car and Foundry plant in Berwick, Pennsylvania...one of the first IRT R-12 subway cars (#5703 perhaps) being completed. -William A. Padron ["a.c.f."] |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Feb 20 10:51:52 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 20, posted by William A. Padron on Sat Feb 20 09:51:25 2021. William: IMHO the Pullman Green paint scheme was one of the nicest that I ever saw on any subway car. They tried it on a few of the R-33's but it didn't seem to work as well. They were the "Redbirds" and nothing less than red paint would work. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Feb 20 12:23:17 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 20, posted by William A. Padron on Sat Feb 20 09:51:25 2021. A true warrior |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Feb 20 12:23:53 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 20, posted by William A. Padron on Sat Feb 20 10:28:32 2021. That’s great! Thanks for that shot. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Feb 20 12:24:35 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 20, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Feb 20 10:51:52 2021. I said basically the same thing about the green artens last week. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Feb 20 15:48:51 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 20, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Feb 20 10:51:52 2021. The racing stripe scheme on the R-10s is still my personal favorite. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sat Feb 20 17:08:59 2021, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for February 20, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Feb 20 08:13:30 2021. Thank you as always!!But I'm going to have the temerity to correct your entry about the Manhattan Bridge. February 20, 2004 was the first time that all 4 bridge tracks were in service since the autumn of 1990- more than a decade prior. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Feb 20 18:15:53 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 20, posted by William A. Padron on Sat Feb 20 10:28:32 2021. Marginal quality photo of R12s being delivered to CIY, having just left street running on McDonald Ave with Culver Line Coney Island bound train above. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Feb 20 19:57:40 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 20, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Feb 20 10:51:52 2021. I tend to agree |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Feb 21 02:00:31 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 20, posted by William A. Padron on Sat Feb 20 10:28:32 2021. Notice the position of the horn on that car which is on the roof facing forward like the R-10s. Now I don’t knoe if the R-14s originally had it that way also but at some point, the horns were moved to the front of the car facing outward the way they were on the R-15s and up. Does anybody know when the horns were moved and why? |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Feb 21 02:03:25 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 20, posted by William A. Padron on Sat Feb 20 09:51:25 2021. It’s intersting that you refer to the R-10s GOPH color as “Pullman green” since when I tried to look up “Pullman green” it seems that there was really no single color with that name but several including the olive drab that was used on many of the R types when they were delivered. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Feb 21 07:34:24 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 20, posted by MainR3664 on Sat Feb 20 17:08:59 2021. Main: That's alright my friend. I should have written for "the first time in MORE than a decade, fourteen years to be exact. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sun Feb 21 09:48:41 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 20, posted by randyo on Sun Feb 21 02:03:25 2021. For the record, "Pullman Green" is Larry's term, not mine though. I have heard being given the term as "kale green" or "wintergreen", or even something resemble a shade of green found in the vintage IND subway station entrance signs. Me? I usually refer to it as simply green at best.R-10's #3186 and #3216, Rockaway Boulevard, IND Fulton Street, June 29, 1989.    R-10 #3043, Rockaway Park-Beach 116th Street, IND Rockaway Line, July 3, 1989.   Notes: All images originally photographed by William A. Padron -William A. Padron ["Rockaway Park, Queens"] |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Feb 21 09:54:38 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 20, posted by William A. Padron on Sun Feb 21 09:48:41 2021. William: I can't remember where I first heard term "pullman green". Nevertheless it was a classy color that went well with the R-10's. It was much better than the dull olive green used on the R-21's thru R-30's. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sun Feb 21 10:00:36 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 20, posted by randyo on Sun Feb 21 02:03:25 2021. It was also the color of US Mail Vehicles before current Red White and Blue,     |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Feb 21 10:15:01 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 20, posted by randyo on Sun Feb 21 02:00:31 2021. The "when" I no clue but the "why" I'll venture a guess that it was done b/c since the IRT Div has mucho miles of outdoor/elevated trackage that snow would be ingested into the facing forward horn & make them useless. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sun Feb 21 10:18:36 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 20, posted by randyo on Sun Feb 21 02:00:31 2021. Not sure of the reason, but it is possible that the air horns on the R-12's and R-14's may have moved and repositioned as during the 1950's decades, and still on the IRT Flushing Line. These four images from nycsubway.org are a bit of clue, by checking carefully at the roof lines on them.R-12's, Hunters Point Avenue, IRT Flushing Line, December 3, 1952.  R-12's, Queensboro Plaza, IRT Flushing Line, December 3, 1952.  R-12's, Corona Yard, July 30, 1955.  R-12's, 69th Street-Fisk Avenue, IRT Flushing Line, July 7, 1959.  -William A. Padron ["Times Square"] |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sun Feb 21 10:23:43 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 20, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Feb 21 10:15:01 2021. Yeah, just like the comedic bit in the W.C. Fields 1933 film, "The Fatal Glass of Beer", where Fields says, "'Tis not a fit night for man or beast!", then he gets show thrown his face each time he says the line.The snow probably clogged into those new fangled air horns, rending them useless in that position. Good reason to move them. -William A. Padron ["Main Street"] |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Feb 21 12:16:26 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 20, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Feb 21 07:34:24 2021. All's good Larry :) |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Feb 21 12:19:52 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 20, posted by William A. Padron on Sun Feb 21 09:48:41 2021. Thank you for taking and sharing these great photos!! |
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Posted by zac on Sun Feb 21 13:34:17 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 20, posted by William A. Padron on Sun Feb 21 09:48:41 2021. I see that these had intercoms added. I remember being on them in their last days on the C and hearing announcements. Were the mics accessible from outside or did they have to go inside to use them? |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Feb 21 15:49:08 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 20, posted by William A. Padron on Sun Feb 21 10:18:36 2021. Thank you. Those trains got dirty real fast!! |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sun Feb 21 15:55:14 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 20, posted by zac on Sun Feb 21 13:34:17 2021. The PA intercom boxes on the R-10's for the M/M-T/O and C/R were inside the cab. There was an experiment back in the late 1940's when now museum R-4 car #484 had an experimental PA system, but the microphones were install on the outside near the front windows on the edges.-William A. Paderon ["a.c.f."] |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Feb 21 17:32:49 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 20, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Feb 21 15:49:08 2021. Especially surprising when they spent most of the time outdoors on the Flushing Line in those days. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Feb 21 18:45:18 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 20, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Feb 20 18:15:53 2021. Hey, that's Whitcomb #9 now currently at the Kingston Trolley Museum.Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Feb 21 18:47:02 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 20, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Feb 21 18:45:18 2021. Wow! Still running? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Feb 21 20:19:22 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 20, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Feb 21 17:32:49 2021. Talk about needing a bath! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Feb 21 20:22:22 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 20, posted by William A. Padron on Sun Feb 21 09:48:41 2021. Thunderbirds forever! |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Feb 21 21:05:55 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 20, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Feb 21 20:19:22 2021. Heres a set fresh out of the bath house right after they left Flushing. All dolled up for their next career working mainline IRT routes. All my years growing up a block away from Roosevelt Ave, had no idea that they really looked like that! |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Feb 21 22:24:09 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 20, posted by William A. Padron on Sun Feb 21 10:23:43 2021. I hadn’t thought of that, but then why wasn't that done to the R-10s when they were on the mostly outdoor Jamaica Line in the 1950s, and what about mainline RR locomotives which have their horns facing forward. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Feb 21 22:28:42 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 20, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Feb 21 20:19:22 2021. One of the things I did notice about the R-12/14s was that I could sort of see the original colors since the steel dust hadn’t completely obscured them like it had on the R-10s. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Feb 21 22:33:56 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 20, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Feb 21 09:54:38 2021. Although a certain individual involved with the museum disagrees with me, I recall that the R-1/9s were also that same color as were the R-16s. Now although you refer to the R-21 through 30 paint scheme as a “dull” olive drab I remember the last of the R-22s and the first of the R-26s through 30s being delivered brand new and I was quite surprised as to how bright the olive color looked in the sunlight. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Feb 21 22:36:21 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 20, posted by William A. Padron on Sun Feb 21 15:55:14 2021. Car 744 also had PAs as well as the same bullseye treatment as 484 and I was told that they were supposed to be kept together and used at the C/R position as often as possible. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Feb 21 22:39:18 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 20, posted by Avid Reader on Sun Feb 21 10:00:36 2021. The color of the tuck in the first photo is the way I remember the R-22s through 30s when they were brand new. By the way besides the P.O. trucks bing painted olive, the letter boxes that once were on almost every street corner were also that color. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Feb 22 06:45:08 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 20, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Feb 21 18:47:02 2021. Wow! Still running?Now and then. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Mon Feb 22 07:10:49 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 20, posted by randyo on Sun Feb 21 22:24:09 2021. Why any of the 400 R-10's 800 air horns were never relocated and repositioned is unknown.Looking at a comparison between those and the R-12/14's (they had 500 of them between the 250 cars in total), I believe that the BOT/NYCTA would had to make some more extra work to have possibly a slightly extra squared wrapround piping installed between the remounted position and the roof opening, avoiding blocking the "EXP" light box over the cab. On the R-12/14's, it was surprising a basically that a straight pipeline was installed on them. I cannot answer about the mainline RR locomotives (it is not my niche there), and and yet there were 30 R-10's that were sent to the BMT Eastern Division in November 1954. You got me on that one, though. -William A. Padron ["Flushing Local"] |
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Posted by BMT Standard on Mon Feb 22 10:34:19 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 20, posted by randyo on Sun Feb 21 22:24:09 2021. Mainline RR locomotives these days have multiple horns, some facing forward and others backward. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Feb 22 18:39:00 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 20, posted by BMT Standard on Mon Feb 22 10:34:19 2021. Some horns blow major chords, some blow minor chords and still others blow diminished chords.:) |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Feb 22 19:00:03 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 20, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Feb 22 18:39:00 2021. Hahaha |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Feb 22 19:45:25 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 20, posted by BMT Standard on Mon Feb 22 10:34:19 2021. But they weren’t always that way. |
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