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Posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Dec 2 15:47:26 2020 Transit ridership won't see any significant increases until people now working from home return to the office. While the vaccine might very well bring them back, because supplies will be limited for quite some time the authorities will have to allocate it by priority. That's of course the appropriate thing to do, but under most proposals people under 65 or 70 with no major health conditions and who aren't classified as essential employees will be last in line. And that describes a very high percentage of commuters. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Dec 2 15:57:16 2020, in response to Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Dec 2 15:47:26 2020. The vaccine will certainly help transit workers from all over the world.Don't forget, NYCT lost like 131 people alone. |
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Posted by DieselBusFan on Wed Dec 2 16:11:30 2020, in response to Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Dec 2 15:47:26 2020. 'Working from Home' was a trend that started years ago as computers and telecommunications made major advancements. But COVID-19 greatly accelerated this trend. Folks just will not want to make long commutes anymore. Maybe folks will just have to report in to the office once or twice a week. I am 100% railfan, but I think the days of major rail commuting are now gone. And I think it will be a while before local transit ridership recovers. I hope that this is not the case, but are discontinuances now on the horizon? |
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Posted by Dan on Wed Dec 2 16:38:40 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by DieselBusFan on Wed Dec 2 16:11:30 2020. Current speculation is that by the end of summer 2021 all Americans will have been vaccinated. We'll have to see what happens to subway and bus ridership after that. But I agree with you that WFH is here to stay. Employees are saving time and money by working from home. Employers can unload expensive Manhattan office leases. |
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Posted by sloth on Wed Dec 2 17:10:16 2020, in response to Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Dec 2 15:47:26 2020. Many trips aren't work related. Those will depend on people's perception of safety, and I think the subway will have a far greater problem in that regard than bus or commuter rail. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Dec 2 17:14:34 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by DieselBusFan on Wed Dec 2 16:11:30 2020. no matter how vaccine is distributed it will lower overall exposure and there for the risk. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Dec 2 17:47:04 2020, in response to Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Dec 2 15:47:26 2020. under most proposals people under 65 or 70 with no major health conditions and who aren't classified as essential employees will be last in line.But that category includes a majority of people. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Dec 2 17:58:23 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by AlM on Wed Dec 2 17:47:04 2020. still their risk will decrease as high risk people get the vaccine .as it cuts down rate the virus spreads today . |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Dec 3 17:45:38 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by Dan on Wed Dec 2 16:38:40 2020. Don't bet too much on WFH. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Dec 3 18:06:05 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Dec 3 17:45:38 2020. I agree, there are just some things than can't be done from home. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Dec 3 21:06:23 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by Dan on Wed Dec 2 16:38:40 2020. Employers can unload expensive Manhattan office leases.It may take a long time. Office leases aren't one year deals like with apartments. They can run for as long as ten years. |
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Posted by Charles G on Thu Dec 3 22:14:51 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Dec 3 21:06:23 2020. In cases where a large company has a long and expensive Manhattan lease, I think we'll see them move to something resembling a "hub and spokes" office set up.Depending on the job requirements workers may be at home, or in one of many regional satellite offices. The Manhattan space would be converted to a place where, again, depending on the business need clients are hosted or different teams come together from the regional satellite offices once a week. As an example a company that had 1000 Manhattan employees might move to 200 person hubs in Brooklyn, Morristown, White Plains, Mineola and keep 200 people in Manhattan. The space in Manhattan that isn't used for the regular work would be converted to "collaborative space" when the Accounting team is in on Mondays, the Finance team on Tuesdays and the Analytics team on Wednesdays etc. It will be more expensive in the short term, but suburban leases are far cheaper than Manhattan, and as current leases expire in Manhattan with no takers there will be many deals cut for those remaining to extend their term at a better rate. Transit wise, I think this isn't so bad -- as many of the satellites will be along transit hubs (nice timing for the LIRR third track...). Rush hours may not be as Manhattan centric, but there will be a need for frequent service in all directions. Really just speculation on my part, but in conversations I've had most Manhattan firms are really struggling to get any real numbers to commit to coming back to the office. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Dec 4 07:14:04 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by Charles G on Thu Dec 3 22:14:51 2020. My financial advisor, who normally works in Manhattan with an apartment in an expensive area of Brooklyn, has sublet his apartment and has his family in a rental house in Cutchogue.He expects to have that arrangement indefinitely. His clients are none the wiser and is totally seamless. Should he have to return to the office, he'll simply move back to Brooklyn. Even then, it may be Monday/Wednesday, Tuesday/Thursday, and alternate Fridays for every group under a manager. If MTA carries out any of their stupid ideas like not raising railroad monthly passes while raising already expensive one way tickets 10% with partial WFH going on, and merging Fare Zones 4 to 14 into one, expect to see massive rider diversions to automobiles. As it is, highway traffic is approaching normalcy while train ridership is down 70%. Nobody can predict what this will all look like in 1 or 2 years. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Dec 4 09:55:22 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by Joe V on Fri Dec 4 07:14:04 2020. If MTA carries out any of their stupid ideas like not raising railroad monthly passes while raising already expensive one way tickets 10% with partial WFH going on, and merging Fare Zones 4 to 14 into one, expect to see massive rider diversions to automobiles. As it is, highway traffic is approaching normalcy while train ridership is down 70%.On my route to work (Belt Parkway --> Verrazano --> Staten Island Expressway) traffic is close to normal and has been that way since Labor Day. It had been very low from late March until around Memorial Day but then began a steady rise. For the most part that wouldn't seem attributable to people avoiding transit because it's not the sort of route for which there'd be reasonable transit alternatives. There are as many express buses as always on the Staten Island Expressway, though I imagine they carry fewer passengers than normal. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Dec 5 14:02:50 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by randyo on Thu Dec 3 18:06:05 2020. And you have clients outside the US who likely would frown on people working from home as they are now in many cases on a permanent basis. |
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Posted by Dan on Sun Dec 6 12:04:53 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Dec 4 09:55:22 2020. How is the new (as of 12-1-20) 2-way Verrazzano toll affecting the traffic flow? |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Dec 6 15:05:27 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by Dan on Sun Dec 6 12:04:53 2020. Not much as far as I can tell. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Dec 7 13:23:02 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Dec 5 14:02:50 2020. I guess you don't work with many people outside the US. They don't care where anyone is actually working from... |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Dec 7 16:40:32 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Dec 7 13:23:02 2020. Most countries aren't a liberalized republic like the USA is.If you want to WFH from any state, the corporation must be registered in that state. The journ-o-list myth that you can work anywhere is just that. A myth. Unless you're going on tax fraud or want to open your employer up to liability. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Dec 7 17:11:51 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Dec 7 16:40:32 2020. So what does a person do who lives in New Jersey but works for a company that is only registered in New York? |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Dec 7 22:48:05 2020, in response to Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Dec 2 15:47:26 2020. While this story involves a company where most workers almost certainly drive, it would apply just as well to city companies where people use transit. MSC Industrial Direct on Long Island is reducing its headquarters office space by 85% as it shifts to a predominately work from home system. This is what the CEO says:In terms of the Melville operation, CEO Erik Gershwind said, "We have been impressed by the flexibility and productivity that our associates have displayed while working remotely and they have indicated they prefer the flexibility and work-life balance that working from home provides them." What Erik really means, with my commentary in bold: In terms of the Melville operation, CEO Erik Gershwind said, "We have been impressed by the flexibility and productivity that our associates have displayed while working remotely [their bosses have no concept of business hours and are forcing them to be almost constantly on duty for no extra pay] and they have indicated they prefer the flexibility and work-life balance that working from home provides them." [they are depressed, lonely and brutally overworked, but given the completely dead job market no one dares disagree because they know they'll be immediately fired and quickly replaced]. |
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Posted by Charles G on Mon Dec 7 23:02:15 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Dec 7 22:48:05 2020. Most of the people I talk to don't feel that way and do tend to like working from home. Although that is partly also probably my age (50's) whereas people in that age group are more likely to (1) have a larger home that has a productive office space; and (2) have a social life that is less centered on the office.Keeping only 15% of the office space is low and the idea of employees working 100% of their time WFH is high compared to the estimates that I get when I talk to others in my industry. The thinking is generally more along the lines of keeping around 40-50% of central city office space (both for work and for team meetings); and another 30-40% or so for regional satellite offices (that may actually be new space). 100% WFH introduces all kinds of security issues into the fold. The number of IT systems being held for ransom has absolutely skyrocketed in the past 6 months (as has the average ransom amount), and the speculation is that WFH has been an enabler here. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 8 09:24:07 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Dec 7 22:48:05 2020. When on IT jobs more strenuous than the current one, we were "on duty" 7/24/365. If batch processes were running, and blew up, the phone rang, and we had to deal with the abend. That's professional life. You are paid for to do the job and to meet target dates. Raises, bonuses, and layoffs were based on such performance. We don't punch clocks. It has always been that way. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Dec 8 09:41:43 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 8 09:24:07 2020. When on IT jobs more strenuous than the current one, we were "on duty" 7/24/365. If batch processes were running, and blew up, the phone rang, and we had to deal with the abend. That's professional life. You are paid for to do the job and to meet target dates. Raises, bonuses, and layoffs were based on such performance. We don't punch clocks. It has always been that way.That's understood in some IT and other fields and people are paid on that basis. What's happening with this working from home idiocy, however, is that bosses are forcing people with ordinary office jobs normally done within normal business hours to be available long outside those hours. Workers are deprived of any clear boundaries between work and non-work. Couple that with the complete absense of all in-person interaction, no chitchat at the water cooler, and it's a recipe for depression and many other psychological issues. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Dec 8 09:43:45 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Dec 8 09:41:43 2020. " ordinary office jobs normally done within normal business hours to be available long outside those hours."I must stop you again. I've been looking for jobs with "normal business hours". All I am finding are people who show up to the office late, and email me at midnight. Everyone gets an iphone. Entire skyscrapers are full of people issued laptops. It's appalling. What you say doesn't exist anymore. forget about the 4 day workweek or any other progress. We're in distopia now. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 8 09:55:09 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Dec 8 09:41:43 2020. I'd rather be isolated now than share the kitchenette, fridge, and men's room with a much higher risk of Covid. If you think WFH is isolation, try the ICU. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Dec 8 10:29:35 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 8 09:55:09 2020. We should not even be having this conversation right now, Mr. Rosa shouldn't even be in this position right now.Let's blame the real cause. If all the little boys and girls behaved back in March/April, we wouldn't have an epidemic right now, and everything should be normal. Everyone needs to stop accepting garbage as a reality instead of blaming the real culprit. I saw an article this morning asking Epidemiologist when they will return to normal. Some sarcastically said, we've already pretended that everything is back to normal, that's the problem. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Dec 8 10:34:29 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 8 09:55:09 2020. I'd rather be isolated now than share the kitchenette, fridge, and men's room with a much higher risk of Covid. If you think WFH is isolation, try the ICU.Not many people who are still in the labor force are at risk of severe illness or death. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 8 11:24:11 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Dec 8 10:34:29 2020. But there are some, and none of us wish to play chicken with this virus just so we can chat with someone in the kitchen area for a few minutes a day.A 32 year old fellow who worked in my County's Transportation Division died of it last June. He got it from his mother, a nurse, who also infected his father. His parents overcame and buried their son. He had no co-morbidities, and had just passed a NYPD physical. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Dec 8 11:32:32 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Dec 8 10:34:29 2020. "Not many people who are still in the labor force are at risk of severe illness or death."What nonsense myth is this coming from?  |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Dec 8 11:55:21 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Dec 8 11:32:32 2020. As I've said many times people who are at risk should isolate themselves as much as possible while letting everyone else live their lives. If a company orders its workers back to the office they can make exceptions for those who provide proof of risk.According to the virus FAQ in the New York Times, as of August about two-thirds of offices in the US either had reopened or never closed in the first place. There was no regional breakdown, but I expect that NYC is below that level, possibly well below, which is why transit ridership has dropped off so much. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 8 12:34:26 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Dec 8 11:55:21 2020. There are HIPPA and discrimination laws. Company's don't know or get to decide who is at risk and who is not, and cannot make such rules on ordering certain people, such as if they are old or they are fat.Most people are living their lives quite well on WFH, without commuting, and not spending money on commuting. Whoever is pulling their hair out because they are not in the office, it is not their employer's responsibility to entertain them. They can go on Skype phone calls or get a hobby. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Dec 8 13:02:55 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 8 12:34:26 2020. "According to the virus FAQ in the New York Times, as of August about two-thirds of offices in the US either had reopened or *************never********** closed in the first place. "Exactly. But we don't have a test to find out who is susecptilbe to Sars (everybody) or what the long term effects even are. The graphic I posted is the first to tell it. I have another that talks about the "mystery" blood clots that healthy people (ahem sp) get and stroke out. Brain fog. Long haulers (13.4% of those with symptoms) and you name it. And then there's the belief that high risk = minority. So are you telling all black people to stay home? Herein lies the issue when we're not talking about just getting pink eye, or something that is not labeled as "novel". I think I'm on your train on one aspect, I say you can do anything as long as you do it right. Problem is, no one here wants to listen. Some countries and cities are covid-free, people are doing whatever they want. Here, we wanted an epidemic, and this nightmare is what you get. to joe-v, I'll join Irans nuclear program before I voluntarily commute again. That's how much I hate it. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Dec 8 13:36:52 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Dec 7 13:23:02 2020. When I call customer service I expect there to be someone also from the United States on the line. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Dec 8 13:39:57 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Dec 8 13:02:55 2020. Here's one I didn't see until just now.Individuals who have suffered from the coronavirus infection, even in a mild form, may experience premature aging of the body, scientists have noticed. Ancha Baranova, Professor at George Mason University in the United States, referred to the results of the study that was published in November, RIA Novisti reports. Nothing from covid is peer reviewed, so why risk it? |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Dec 8 15:07:15 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Dec 8 13:36:52 2020. Do you care if that person is working from home or at a call center? |
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Posted by Handbrake on Tue Dec 8 18:38:19 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by DieselBusFan on Wed Dec 2 16:11:30 2020. **'Working from Home' was a trend that started years ago as computers and telecommunications made major advancements. But COVID-19 greatly accelerated this trend. Folks just will not want to make long commutes anymore. Maybe folks will just have to report in to the office once or twice a week. I am 100% railfan, but I think the days of major rail commuting are now gone. And I think it will be a while before local transit ridership recovers. I hope that this is not the case, but are discontinuances now on the horizon?**Spot on. COVID-19 just accelerated the Work At Home industry. Reduced floor space, utilities, and overhead to maintain "office" facilities. The MTA, where to obtain the OK to work from home required a near Papal dispensation, has become routine today, and will continue in some format at reducing the need to continue to rent non MTA property office space. I don't believe that NYCT will see another 6 Million passenger carrying day again for a very long time, if at ever. First it was the automobile that proceeded to help erode mass transit. Today it has has becoming the computer, and wireline/wireless telephone connection that will erode it even further. I have past work acquaintances that work at a prominent New York telecommunication corporation who have not been to the "office" for over twelve years. A continuum of the industrial revolution. |
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Posted by Handbrake on Tue Dec 8 18:39:32 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by randyo on Thu Dec 3 18:06:05 2020. Blue collar, yes. White collar, most likely 90% of work functions can be perform remotely. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Dec 8 22:05:25 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 8 12:34:26 2020. Companies can require medical documentation if an employee requests an accommodation at work. I see no reason why a request to keep working from home can't be treated the same way. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 9 06:24:26 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Dec 8 22:05:25 2020. Because you do not understand HIPPA or privacy laws.Companies are not entitled to know all about one's health history, nor does that guarantee survivability from this virus, nor the permanent organ damage it can leave behind even if one does survive. You also fail to understand the concept of contagion. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 9 10:08:21 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Dec 7 16:40:32 2020. That is grossly untrue. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Dec 9 10:20:31 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 9 10:08:21 2020. If you are self-reporting and want to do your own taxes. Otherwise, a foreign corporation operating in a state cannot claim it's benefits, and no HR chick wants to touch you.I saw the filings from my company when they reformulated, thousands of dollars paid to 40 something states. No wonder they stopped hiring in most states for a period. It's a dirty truth that people don't want to accept. An out of control regulatory regime where you can't even give out african braids without a massive license fee. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Dec 9 10:23:20 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by randyo on Mon Dec 7 17:11:51 2020. I assume you mean working from home. You just register as a foreign corporation. It's only a paper. Just like when you use a fictious name.But, this all assumes you are a very large company that dots the i's and does everything to too much of an extreme. I'm sure a lot of people aren't doing it. I notice a lot of people don't know the WFH rules when it comes to the computer going down (psst, they don't have to pay you and you can make up the work at night instead!). |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Dec 9 10:24:52 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Dec 8 22:05:25 2020. By the way, working from home does have advantages. I know people listen to movies. Which I never understood.But, if you have a hobby, you never miss any big events! And the bathroom is nicer and the lunches are better. You just have to find that one aspect. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Dec 9 10:30:46 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Dec 9 10:23:20 2020. I'm thinking there's already an agreement between the states since you're probably paying taxes to both. But that does get into an argument I hope we start seeing soon. Are you still paying NY taxes, and if so, why when you're not going there!I don't know how it works there, I remember Philadelphia that has a tax for the privilege's of working there, even though you don't live there. Other cities do it too. But if you are working from home, you're not in that city, right? My point was if you were going to Idaho. I'm not seeing any want ads that allow people to come from any state whatsoever. They're still all regionally specific. And now you made the company do business in Idaho. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Dec 9 14:32:23 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 9 06:24:26 2020. Manhattan office worker making $200,000 per year: "Oh no, it's much too dangerous to go into the office."$15/hour Walmart employee who's been working all along in crowded stores: "#@*&%^$#, coward!" |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 9 14:39:08 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Dec 9 14:32:23 2020. One job can be done from home. The other cannot. It's called minimizing risk and exposure to slow the spread. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Dec 9 14:52:43 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Dec 9 14:32:23 2020. The 200k per year worker gets in some fights too.I wonder what his reaction was when they asked him to pay for his merchandise or where the line gets drawn. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Dec 9 15:30:59 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Dec 9 14:32:23 2020. Statistically, higher income people also drive more carefully and take lots fewer risks in other ways. There are plenty of obvious sociological reasons for this.You are of course free to conclude that higher income people are a stain upon mankind. That conclusion has been drawn before. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Dec 9 15:46:22 2020, in response to Re: Why the vaccine won't do much for transit ridership, posted by AlM on Wed Dec 9 15:30:59 2020. Apparently a supposed 80 million voters agree with this too, that they are stain.majority rules I guess. |
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