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Subway Fare count for 10/3/2020 - 10/9/2020 Down 71%

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Oct 17 09:14:11 2020

10/3/2020 - 10/9/2020:     9,118,639
10/5/2019 - 10/11/2019: 31,762,826

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Re: Subway Fare count for 10/3/2020 - 10/9/2020 Down 71%

Posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Oct 17 09:41:52 2020, in response to Subway Fare count for 10/3/2020 - 10/9/2020 Down 71%, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Oct 17 09:14:11 2020.

Covid-19 is killing our economy. Subway ridership has shown this.

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Re: Subway Fare count for 10/3/2020 - 10/9/2020 Down 71%

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Oct 17 09:56:29 2020, in response to Re: Subway Fare count for 10/3/2020 - 10/9/2020 Down 71%, posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Oct 17 09:41:52 2020.

Covid-19 is killing our economy.

There are more direct metrics that show this. The OT forum is avoiding discussing them.

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Re: Subway Fare count for 10/3/2020 - 10/9/2020 Down 71%

Posted by numbersix on Sat Oct 17 12:34:28 2020, in response to Subway Fare count for 10/3/2020 - 10/9/2020 Down 71%, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Oct 17 09:14:11 2020.

The fare collection may be down, but ridership is increasing. I see a lot more fare evasion than I used to before Covid.

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Re: Subway Fare count for 10/3/2020 - 10/9/2020 Down 71%

Posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Oct 17 14:22:14 2020, in response to Re: Subway Fare count for 10/3/2020 - 10/9/2020 Down 71%, posted by numbersix on Sat Oct 17 12:34:28 2020.

Same thing in Philadelphia , with Septa. Fare collection is down ,partly due to Fare evasion.

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Re: Subway Fare count for 10/3/2020 - 10/9/2020 Down 71%

Posted by Mitch45 on Sat Oct 17 22:12:19 2020, in response to Re: Subway Fare count for 10/3/2020 - 10/9/2020 Down 71%, posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Oct 17 09:41:52 2020.

I agree. But what choice do we have? Throwing everything open and hoping for the best will result in millions of deaths.

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Re: Subway Fare count for 10/3/2020 - 10/9/2020 Down 71%

Posted by GojiMet86 on Sat Oct 17 22:21:02 2020, in response to Re: Subway Fare count for 10/3/2020 - 10/9/2020 Down 71%, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Oct 17 09:56:29 2020.

Do you know what weekend ridership looks now like compared to weekends last year, or this year's COVID weekday ridership?

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Re: Subway Fare count for 10/3/2020 - 10/9/2020 Down 71%

Posted by northshore on Sat Oct 17 23:32:40 2020, in response to Re: Subway Fare count for 10/3/2020 - 10/9/2020 Down 71%, posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Oct 17 09:41:52 2020.

Working at home is now the 21st Century norm.

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Re: Subway Fare count for 10/3/2020 - 10/9/2020 Down 71%

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Oct 18 02:24:18 2020, in response to Re: Subway Fare count for 10/3/2020 - 10/9/2020 Down 71%, posted by GojiMet86 on Sat Oct 17 22:21:02 2020.

The turnstile data would provides data on a daily and per station basis. It's more difficult to use.

The fares data provides per station info on a weekly basis. It's a lot easier to use. I've been using the fares data to answer the "how many" question.

It would take a bit of development work to look at the turnstile data to answer that question. I don't have the time nor inclination to pursue that question right now.

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Re: Subway Fare count for 10/3/2020 - 10/9/2020 Down 71%

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Oct 18 02:26:22 2020, in response to Re: Subway Fare count for 10/3/2020 - 10/9/2020 Down 71%, posted by northshore on Sat Oct 17 23:32:40 2020.

Working at home is now the 21st Century norm.

Unemployment is. That's an OT discussion.

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Re: Subway Fare count for 10/3/2020 - 10/9/2020 Down 71%

Posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Oct 18 03:12:55 2020, in response to Subway Fare count for 10/3/2020 - 10/9/2020 Down 71%, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Oct 17 09:14:11 2020.

From what I've read more and more people are getting frustrated with working from home, so hopefully there'll be more people returning to the offices and, therefore, higher ridership numbers.

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Re: Subway Fare count for 10/3/2020 - 10/9/2020 Down 71%

Posted by BrooklynTrain on Sun Oct 18 21:52:25 2020, in response to Re: Subway Fare count for 10/3/2020 - 10/9/2020 Down 71%, posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Oct 18 03:12:55 2020.

Most people I know love work-from-home. No more long commutes, waking up early, annoyances at the office, etc. Many offices will transition to "floating desks", downsize their footprint and save money on office rent. I don't know of anyone on his deathbed who says "How I wish I spent more time at the office". Don't know if the MTA will ever see peak ridership numbers again.

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Re: Subway Fare count for 10/3/2020 - 10/9/2020 Down 71%

Posted by Brightonr68 on Sun Oct 18 22:15:32 2020, in response to Re: Subway Fare count for 10/3/2020 - 10/9/2020 Down 71%, posted by BrooklynTrain on Sun Oct 18 21:52:25 2020.

Why hasnít the mta drastically downsized the rush hour schedule on the commuter rails . They knew no one was riding .

A heads up , there are good reasons to want to go into the office . Working from home has a lot of negatives especially for less experienced workers . The large majority of people will return to nyc offices . The mta should save their money to run services when people actually need the service.

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Re: Subway Fare count for 10/3/2020 - 10/9/2020 Down 71%

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Oct 19 05:42:54 2020, in response to Re: Subway Fare count for 10/3/2020 - 10/9/2020 Down 71%, posted by Brightonr68 on Sun Oct 18 22:15:32 2020.

Why hasnít the mta drastically downsized the rush hour schedule on the commuter rails . They knew no one was riding .

They are between a rock and a hard place.

Let's assume the 30% who are currently riding the subway have no choice and would take the subway, if service were cut.

The cut service would result in crowded trains that provide an environment for spreading Covid.

A while back, I calculated the maximum percentage of returning passengers the subway could handle, while maintaining 6 ft. distancing. It was a crude calculation but one that the authorities had not done. It came to around a 25% return to "normal."

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Re: Subway Fare count for 10/3/2020 - 10/9/2020 Down 71%

Posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 19 08:02:39 2020, in response to Re: Subway Fare count for 10/3/2020 - 10/9/2020 Down 71%, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Oct 19 05:42:54 2020.

The W train seems to be everyone's proposed hit list. Without cutting N, Q, R service, it will overload those trains, and they would still cut their frequencies.

With ridership down 70%, how does that break down among rush hours, weekday off peak, and weekends ?

It seems LIRR and MN would like to cut service 50%. If they do that off-peak, it won't save much money. Off peak ridership will drop. People will not wait up to 2 hours for a train if they have always had hourly service. LIRR saw that 10 years ago when they cut Port Washington half hourly service in half to hourly. Budget savings were minimal. They still had to pay an entire shift for crews needed only for rush hours. I think the trains in general are over-staffed.

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Re: Subway Fare count for 10/3/2020 - 10/9/2020 Down 71%

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Oct 19 08:46:06 2020, in response to Re: Subway Fare count for 10/3/2020 - 10/9/2020 Down 71%, posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 19 08:02:39 2020.

With ridership down 70%, how does that break down among rush hours, weekday off peak, and weekends ?

The raw data to determine that information isn't available to the public. The turnstile data is posted in 4 hour segments. The segments are not the same, even for stations along the same line. It's one of many NYCT shortcomings.

I think the [LIRR] trains in general are over-staffed.

There are FRA staffing rules that prevent the MTA from taking action.

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