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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Aug 1 09:05:38 2020 Tuscarora Almanac – August 1, 1862 – The Book of First Runs Jersey City, New Jersey New Jersey Railroad and Transportation Company Service begins on a second Hudson River ferry route. This one will run between Paulus Hook, Jersey City and Desbrosses Street in Manhattan. This service will last until 1930. The Desbrosses Street Pier was for many years the southern terminus of the Hudson River Day Line. Source: “Over & Back” (Fordham University Press /1990) by Mr. Brian J. Cudahy Tuscarora Almanac - August 1, 1908 - The Book of First Runs The Bronx, New York Interborough Rapid Transit Company The Broadway Line is extended from 225th Street to 242 Street. Stations are opened at 231st Street, 238th Street and 242 Street. The temporary station at 230th Street is closed. Source: New York Division Bulletin /July 1985, article by Mr. David Rogoff Tuscarora Almanac – August 1, 1917 – The Book of First Runs Sharon Hill, Pennsylvania Philadelphia & Garrettford Street Railway The railway extends its service on the Sharon Hill line from Clifton Heights to Sharon Hill, Pennsylvania. Source: Springirth, Kenneth C Philadelphia Electrified Rail Line in Color (2016), Morning Sun Books Tuscarora Almanac - August 1, 1918 - The Book of First Runs New York City Interborough Rapid Transit Corporation Item 1 The tracks of the Contract I subway on Broadway north of 42nd Street are connected to the tracks of the Contract III stations at Times Square located on 7th Avenue. This permits through service along the entire length of the Broadway - 7th Avenue Line. Item 2 The IRT Pelham Line opens between 125th Street - Lexington Avenue and 3rd Avenue - 138th Street. A new station is opened at 3rd Avenue -138th Street. Item 3 The 42nd Street Shuttle begins operation between Times Square and Grand Central. Due to severe overcrowding service is suspended three days later. The shuttle re-opened on September 28, 1918. Red and Green colored lights were placed in the ceiling to help passengers find their way. Source: New York Division Bulletin /April 1974, article by Mr. Bernard Linder Tuscarora Almanac – August 1, 1920 – The Book of First Runs Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens, New York Brooklyn Rapid Transit Company The 60th Street Tunnel under the East River opens connecting Lexington Avenue-60th Street station in Manhattan with Queensboro Plaza station in Queens. The Montague Street Tunnel under the East River as well as the Montague Street Line in Brooklyn opens. The line connects the Whitehall Street station in Manhattan with the Dekalb Avenue station in Brooklyn. There is one station on this line at Court Street. Lawrence Street station will not open until October 18, 1924. Source: New York Division Bulletins / June 1965 and April 2005, articles by Mr. David Rogoff and Mr. Bernard Linder Tuscarora Almanac – August 1, 1929 – The Book of Last Runs Linoleumville, Staten Island Carteret Ferry Company Service is discontinued across the Arthur Kill between Carteret, New Jersey and Linoleumville, Staten Island. The final run was made by the ferryboat CLINTON which was built in 1862 and served in the Union Navy as the COMMODORE. Ed. Note : Linoleumville was named for the American Linoleum Company. The area is better known as Rossville. Source: “Over & Back” (Fordham University Press / 1990) by Mr. Brian J. Cudahy Tuscarora Almanac - August 1, 1939 - The Book of First Runs Secaucus, New Jersey New York, Susquehanna and Western Railroad A new station is opened underneath the approaches to the Lincoln Tunnel. It will be known as "Susquehanna Transfer" and will permit passengers to transfer to and from buses to Midtown Manhattan. Source: "New York, Susquehanna & Western RR" by John Krause and Ed Crist. , Carstens Publications, Inc. 1980. Tuscarora Almanac – August 1, 1939 – The Book of First and Last Runs Westchester County, New York Third Avenue Railway System The Third Avenue Railway Company converts the Glen Island trolley line to bus operation. Bus service will be provided by the Westchester Street Transportation Company as Route H/J. The final run was made by car 296. Also converted is the Hudson Park trolley line. Bus service will be provided by the Westchester Street Transportation Company as Route L. The final run was made by car 282. Source: New York Division Bulletins / October & November 2005, articles by Mr. Bernard Linder Altoona, Pennsylvania Altoona & Logan Valley Electric Railway Trolley service is discontinued on the 2nd Street Line in Altoona, Pennsylvania Source: “Pennsylvania Trolleys in Color”, Volume 1, (Morning Sun Books /1997) by Mr. William D. Volkmer Tuscarora Almanac - August 1, 1954 - The Book of Last Runs Manhattan, New York Hudson & Manhattan Railroad The 19th Street station on the 6th Avenue Line is closed Tuscarora Almanac – August 1, 1958 – The Book of Last Runs Waterloo, Iowa Waterloo, Cedar Falls & Northern Railroad Interurban rail service ends on the last remaining line connected Waterloo and Cedar Falls, Iowa. The final run was made by car 381. Source: “Iowa Trolleys In Color” (Morning Sun Books / 2009) by Mr. Edward A. Ridolph Tuscarora Almanac – August 1, 1963 – The Book of First Runs Hoboken, New Jersey Erie Lackawanna Railroad The premier passenger train on the Hoboken-Chicago run, “The Erie-Lackawanna Limited”, Nos. 1 & 2 is re-named “The Phoebe Snow”. “The Phoebe Snow had been the pride of the Lackawanna Railroad before the merger. It ran between Hoboken and Buffalo with a dining car and the famous observation cars. After the merger with the Erie Railroad is was combined with “The Erie-Lackawanna Limited” between Hoboken and Elmira. The observation cars were put in storage. The “Phoebe Snow” name was dropped effective with the October 1962 timetable. William White was brought in as Chairman of the Erie Lackawanna in the middle of 1963 and one of the first things he did was to bring back “The Phoebe Snow”, now as a Hoboken-Chicago train. The observation cars were taken out of storage and restored to their proper use. NOTE: The two observation cars now are part of the Metro-North Railroads’ inspection train. Source: “Erie Lackawanna Through Passenger Service in Color” (Morning Sun Books / 2006) by Mr. John J. Boehner Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Aug 1 11:50:05 2020, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for August 1, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Aug 1 09:05:38 2020. Larry, did you miss a biggie?Tuscarora Almanac – August 1, 1920 – The Book of First Runs The Brighton Beach Line mainline opened between deKalb Avenue and Prospect Park, with stations at 7th Avenue and Atlantic Avenue, enabling through service to Manhattan via the Broadway (BRT) Subway. At the same time, Brighton service via the Fulton Street El was truncated at Franklin Avenue Station at Fulton Street. Many accounts stated that the Franklin Avenue Line became a full-time shuttle at the time but that didn't happen until more than four decades later. |
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Posted by W.B. on Sat Aug 1 12:36:53 2020, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for August 1, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Aug 1 09:05:38 2020. I seem to remember reading from various schematics and contract drawings, and measuring from the concrete covering of the various rings that put such "tubes" together, that the diameter of the BMT tunnels such as Whitehall and 60th Street were about 3 inches narrower than the IND tunnels built starting a decade later (in other words, 15' 6" in BMT tunnels vs. 15' 9" in IND tunnels). It was such that in the tunnels, the distance between track gauge and third rail center was 27.5", as opposed to the 27.5625" distance customary on most sections of what is officially known today as the B Division. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Aug 1 13:58:13 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 1, posted by SLRT on Sat Aug 1 11:50:05 2020. For the first time, BMT standards appeared on the Brighton line 100 years ago today. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Aug 1 14:02:03 2020, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for August 1, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Aug 1 09:05:38 2020. And on this date in 1970, I rode on a 7 express for the first time. My father and I went to see the Mets at the original Toilet Bowl (I still have both ticket stubs). Tom Seaver went all the way as the Mets beat the Padres. After the game, they were running expresses back to Manhattan, and we caught one such train. It marked the first time I saw the Mets in person. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Aug 1 14:39:03 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 1, posted by SLRT on Sat Aug 1 11:50:05 2020. Were there headers built into the tunnel to connect to Nassau St back in 1920? There was no mention of this before and after the tunnel was opened. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Aug 1 14:43:26 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 1, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Aug 1 14:39:03 2020. Headers where and on what track(s) are you referring to? |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Aug 1 14:44:44 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 1, posted by W.B. on Sat Aug 1 12:36:53 2020. Is that significant in any operational way? |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Aug 1 14:45:31 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 1, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Aug 1 14:02:03 2020. And you saw Tom Seaver! |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Aug 1 14:48:30 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 1, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Aug 1 13:58:13 2020. Yes! |
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Posted by zac on Sat Aug 1 15:10:49 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 1, posted by SLRT on Sat Aug 1 14:44:44 2020. Wasn't it in the Montague tunnel that the clearance for the R44 was a problem? |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Aug 1 15:39:03 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 1, posted by zac on Sat Aug 1 15:10:49 2020. But why for the R44 and not other 75' cars?The big operation problem of Montague Street was that Elevated cars couldn't use it to travel between the Southern and Eastern Divisions. |
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Posted by zac on Sat Aug 1 15:56:38 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 1, posted by SLRT on Sat Aug 1 15:39:03 2020. Because the R44 was first and it was corrected. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Aug 1 16:57:18 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 1, posted by SLRT on Sat Aug 1 14:43:26 2020. Turnouts/Bellmouth for the Nassau st line connection to the Montague Tunnel.While the Nassau line didn't open until 1931,the hellmouth was built for the future route. Which makes more sense than not. |
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Posted by W.B. on Sat Aug 1 19:37:46 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 1, posted by SLRT on Sat Aug 1 14:44:44 2020. The space is a little narrower, which posed a problem, as noted, for the R44 but was rectified for future 75'ers. I didn't get all the specs for the base on rail, but did remember the specs of the "tubes." In terms of third rail placement, 1/16" can make a difference with respect to B Division trackage. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Aug 1 21:26:38 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 1, posted by SLRT on Sat Aug 1 14:45:31 2020. I still have my scorecard from that game. Seaver struck out something like 13 batters and Cleon Jones hit a 3-run dinger to put it away. The Padres committed five errors. Little did anyone know that Seaver's season would fall apart and he would win only one game down the stretch. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Aug 1 23:29:58 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 1, posted by Edwards! on Sat Aug 1 16:57:18 2020. When the Montague Tunnel opened on this date in 1920, was it Hylan's spite or something else that prevented the connection to Nassau St for 11 years? |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Aug 2 00:10:08 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 1, posted by Edwards! on Sat Aug 1 16:57:18 2020. Interestingly although the Nassau cut remained unused for many years, the Manhattan emergency exit from the Montague tunnel was actually in what was originally the north bellmouth of the Nassau Cut even before the rest of the Nassau St line was completed. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Aug 2 00:13:05 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 1, posted by W.B. on Sat Aug 1 19:37:46 2020. The R-44s must have been able to go there anyhow since an occasional R-44 showed up on the N after the EE was eliminated. |
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Posted by W.B. on Sun Aug 2 08:05:54 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 1, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Aug 1 23:29:58 2020. Oh it was. Construction didn't resume until after Jimmy Walker became Mayor. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Sun Aug 2 14:51:40 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 1, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Aug 1 23:29:58 2020. It was definitely Hylan's spite that prevented the completion of the Nassau St. loop, and the extension of the 14th St. line to 8th Ave. as well as the completion of the line from Montrose Ave. to Broadway Junction (it was called Manhattan Junction in those days). All were completed after Hylan left office. All because he got fired from his engineer's job with the BRT. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Aug 2 16:45:28 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 1, posted by SLRT on Sat Aug 1 15:39:03 2020. When the Montague Tunnel opened in 1920, there was no need to build it bigger for elevated cars. There was still a Brighton beach elevated connection from the Fulton St el, as well as running 5th Avetrains to/from Myrtle-Lex via the High St Loop. After unification, Eastern division els were run over the Williamsburg Bridge and reversed at Chambers St to go over the Manhattan Bridge. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Aug 2 17:54:11 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 1, posted by murray1575 on Sun Aug 2 14:51:40 2020. I’m not sure about the extension of the 14 St Line to 8 Av. I never saw any mention of it in any of the dual contract proposals. I think that the extension to 8 Av was just something that the city came up with to complement the constriction of the IND. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Aug 2 23:28:49 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 1, posted by W.B. on Sat Aug 1 19:37:46 2020. I'm wondering how that can be, since the 44s and 46 were built from the same specs.The 44 did operate in N service once in awhile, and while the Montague Tunnel didn't see regular N service...well,you know where I'm going with this. In any case, the 75ft cars won't be around for much longer,so it doesn't matter. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Aug 3 02:28:52 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 1, posted by Edwards! on Sun Aug 2 23:28:49 2020. I think the 75 footers will be around a lot longer than we would like them to be. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Mon Aug 3 13:40:26 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 1, posted by randyo on Mon Aug 3 02:28:52 2020. Agreed. I don't think the R-68(A)'s are going away anytime soon.--Mark |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Aug 3 15:55:50 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 1, posted by randyo on Sun Aug 2 17:54:11 2020. Correct, Randy! The original 1913 Contract 4 fixed the terminal at 14th St & 6th Ave. The extension to 8th Ave came as a result of a report by NYC Controller, Charles Berry. This report, dated Aug 27th, 1927, called for (among other things) this 2 block extension to complement the IND 8th Ave subway station at 14th St, then under construction. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Aug 3 16:29:00 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 1, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Mon Aug 3 13:40:26 2020. Considering some of the amenities that the R-46s received during GOH, it wouldn’t surprise me if they outlasted the R-68s and 68As the way the R-32s are outlasting some of the newer equipment. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Aug 3 18:31:14 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 1, posted by randyo on Mon Aug 3 02:28:52 2020. Plus the R-68/68As have been well-maintained right from the start. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Aug 3 18:32:38 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 1, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Aug 3 15:55:50 2020. Did the tracks initially end at 6th Ave. the way they do now at 8th Ave? |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Aug 3 19:19:00 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 1, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Aug 3 18:32:38 2020. AFAIK, yes. |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Aug 3 19:54:00 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 1, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Aug 2 16:45:28 2020. And with Christe Street, the WB/MBA connection was severed. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Aug 3 21:00:26 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 1, posted by SLRT on Mon Aug 3 19:54:00 2020. After severing it, I had always thought that the MTA would have walled off that hideous side platform for the northbound (R-2) track for the MannyB. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Aug 3 21:36:18 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 1, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Aug 3 21:00:26 2020. Actually within the station limits the track was J1 and till the route classifications were changed for the QJ, it was the SOUTHBOUND track! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Aug 4 12:58:35 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 1, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Aug 3 18:31:14 2020. 😀When you think about it, you'd see the MTA didn't have much choice concerning the R68/68a cars. Imagine, after Just dealing with 2 contracts for subway cars,that basically turned out to be LEMONS, you receive 2 more. While the Japanese cars weren't as problematic,the French built R68 cars were Horror on wheels. The cars "guts" were rebuilt, reworked to get them to run Right. Built as single cars, they had to be unitized to make them efficient. The MTA, to this day, refuses to purchase married pair subway cars, ending the practice with the R42. The MTA RAILROADS, on the other hand, has always purchased EMU cars as married partners, except for the short lived M6 railcars. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Aug 4 14:00:20 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 1, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Aug 3 18:31:14 2020. That's not actually true of the R-68s. For the first 10 years of their existence they were lemons with an MDBF under 15000 miles MDBF. It wasn't until the SMS program in the mid 1990s where the cars were linked that their performance began to improve. During the time of the Manhattan bridge shutdown, with less cars needed for service, that they really got good maintenance and the MDBF exceeded 400,000 miles |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 4 18:53:09 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 1, posted by Train Dude on Tue Aug 4 14:00:20 2020. I stand corrected. |
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