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Re: [PHOTO] Re: Another BMT Canarsie Line history question. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 21 17:26:39 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Another BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by TUNNELRAT on Thu May 21 15:56:51 2020. Even though TD mentioned the Bayview Houses, I thought he meant the present-day Canarsie BMT terminal.I know that the Canarsie trolley terminal was between Canarsie Road and Rockaway Parkway and was north of the Belt Parkway. The Belt Parkway predates the elimination of the trolley. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 21 17:28:27 2020, in response to Re: Another BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Elkeeper on Thu May 21 16:44:12 2020. Why would that be in Canarsie? |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Thu May 21 17:34:38 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Elkeeper on Tue May 19 15:28:11 2020. Transit was much more comprehensive in those days. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu May 21 17:47:26 2020, in response to Re: Another BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Elkeeper on Thu May 21 16:44:12 2020. no. The current new lots car repair shop over linden Blvd. has been there for my entire lifetime. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu May 21 17:48:43 2020, in response to Re: Another BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by SLRT on Thu May 21 16:05:47 2020. that's my very vague recollection. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu May 21 17:58:38 2020, in response to Re: Another BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Train Dude on Thu May 21 17:48:43 2020. For the record, let me try to clarify my recollection. If the Carnarsie train tracks continued directly across Rockaway Pkwy. that would be where the building would have been. It would be a dark green shed-like structure with a track emerging from the door and turning south, down Rockaway Pkwy. This would be around 1955 - 1957. I have only a vague memory of it. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu May 21 18:52:04 2020, in response to [PHOTO] Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu May 21 14:50:13 2020. That sign was written in the same lettering (font) at the QVEENSBORO PLAZA Sta.In addition, I remember seeing a sign like that on the 103d St Corona Plaza Sta staircase of the Flushing line. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu May 21 19:37:12 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu May 21 18:52:04 2020. Why do we see the letter U appear as a "V" in so many public places and engravings on buildings ? |
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Posted by qveensboro_plaza on Thu May 21 19:53:18 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Joe V on Thu May 21 19:37:12 2020. Imitation of ancient Roman lettering. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu May 21 19:54:22 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Joe V on Thu May 21 19:37:12 2020. Builders, back then, thought that making the letters in the Roman style, made the building more distinguished. In the Roman alphabet the 2 letters were represented with the "V". |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu May 21 20:03:27 2020, in response to Re: Another BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Train Dude on Thu May 21 17:58:38 2020. By 1957-1959 there were no train or trolley tracks crossing or on Rockaway Parkway. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu May 21 20:08:11 2020, in response to Re: Another BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 21 17:28:27 2020. No, and Canarsie Depot was at Hegeman and Rockaway Avenues, nowhere near the Canarsie Line. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu May 21 20:27:04 2020, in response to Re: Another BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Train Dude on Thu May 21 17:58:38 2020. North of the abandoned Ave "L" station was a power sub-station on the east side of the ROW. Immediately south of that building was a single track that used to lead east to the Sand Pit trolley graveyard. That's about all I have been able to find (THE BROOKLYN AND ROCKAWAY BEACH RAILROAD by William Fausser). |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu May 21 21:32:49 2020, in response to Re: Another BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Elkeeper on Thu May 21 20:27:04 2020. I'm starting to think that what I remember as a building may have been a fence obscuring an alleyway that may have been the trolley ROW. In any event I've found a trove of information on line and will be doing a lot of reading later. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu May 21 21:35:19 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Elkeeper on Thu May 21 19:54:22 2020. As in QVEENS BORO HALL |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 21 21:37:40 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Joe V on Thu May 21 19:37:12 2020. The letter U did not exist as a distinct letter in Classical Latin. Nor did W or J. Hence GAIVS IVLIVS CÆSAR. |
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Posted by jabrams on Thu May 21 21:39:23 2020, in response to Re: Another BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by SLRT on Thu May 21 20:03:27 2020. I think the B42 bus replaced the trollies on Rockaway Parkway in the late forties. There was a sign that was being sold at a train show that mentioned it. It was sold for a very discounted price to the now defunct Canarsie History Museum. Remanents of the trolley tracks remained until repaving in the early 60's and most of the original row between E 95th St and E 96th Street were taken over by the people whose houses were adjacent to it. Houses were built on the Avenues crossing the row, so access to the inner section was impossible. A nursing home, Canarie HS, its field, Key Food and the HES are some of the commercial buildings built over the row. The substation remained until the mid 60's at Ave J and 95th Street. when the athletic field was built. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 21 21:45:21 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Train Dude on Thu May 21 21:35:19 2020. At Chambers Street there’s SVBWAY ENTRANCE, which doesn’t make sense because W didn’t exist either. That sound was made by the letter V. The V sound didn’t exist. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu May 21 21:58:30 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 21 21:45:21 2020. The V for W in SUBVAY could represent the old Jewish sounding pronunciation from the lower east side. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri May 22 01:33:10 2020, in response to Re: Another BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by jabrams on Thu May 21 21:39:23 2020. Apparently I was partially correct. From the attached map, it appears that the trolley line appears as a continuation of the Carnarsie train, crossing Rockaway Pkway and then traveling south through what they refer to as back yards. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri May 22 03:53:52 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 21 21:37:40 2020. correct |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri May 22 08:23:57 2020, in response to Re: Another BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Train Dude on Fri May 22 01:33:10 2020. For the record, not back yards. The back yards were adjacent to the right-of-way; think Brighton Line.The City/TA was slow to give up the right-of-way, as is fairly common for railroad property, so the right-of-way remained substantially intact for decades, notwithstanding that some people extended their back yards illegally. You can still fairly easily trace the right-of-way in Google Maps Satellite view. |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri May 22 08:39:37 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 21 21:37:40 2020. An interesting topic. I learned to use a California Job Case in school and then used it at work mostly to set Ludlow (i.e., display type).Notice in the illustration (a fairly typical one, but there were many variants) that lower case letters, spaces, quads, etc. were arranged and sized by usage. For this discussion notice that on the Upper Case letters, the J and U are you are added at the end of the alphabet. Guess why? To this day I can still read type in a composing stick (upside down and mirrored) -- "mind your p's and q's." 
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Posted by SLRT on Fri May 22 08:42:49 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Train Dude on Thu May 21 21:58:30 2020. Oy. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 22 08:55:10 2020, in response to Re: Another BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by SLRT on Fri May 22 08:23:57 2020. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 22 09:12:49 2020, in response to [PHOTO] Re: Another BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu May 21 14:58:54 2020. 
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 22 09:15:10 2020, in response to Re: Another BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by SLRT on Thu May 21 20:08:11 2020. circa 1950 
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri May 22 09:16:39 2020, in response to Re: Another BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Elkeeper on Thu May 21 20:27:04 2020. I HAD TO MAKE A DELIVERY TO THAT STATION IN 1964,ROW WAS INTAKE W/O RAILS-N- TIES.DIDN`T HAVE THE HISTORICAL BACKGROUND I HAVE NOW,SO I DIDN`T ASK ANY QUESTIONS.OPERTUNITY LOST FOREVER. |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri May 22 09:18:07 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Another BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 22 09:12:49 2020. Very nice. I see there are still high-level platforms, even though the el shuttles ended nearly two decades before. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri May 22 09:18:31 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 21 21:45:21 2020. YOU CAN ALSO USE THE V AS A U IN SCRABBLE,ITS ARCHAIC ENGLISH. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri May 22 09:18:56 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by SLRT on Fri May 22 08:42:49 2020. VAY |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri May 22 09:30:31 2020, in response to Re: Another BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 22 09:15:10 2020. One of the thrills of my young life was when I was allowed (with my mother) to enter the depot building when my Church Avenue car was pulled in. Had to be 1950 or '51 at the latest.Later I had the sad memory of the Depot being dismantled, leaving only the Bristol Street Loop and dead tracks. |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri May 22 09:36:21 2020, in response to Re: Another BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri May 22 09:16:39 2020. In the '50s I heard all about the Sand Pit in Canarsie. Railfans still talked about digging our relics from scrapped cars. By the time I knew where it was it was gone. |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri May 22 09:39:21 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri May 22 09:18:56 2020. IZ MIR |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Fri May 22 10:17:15 2020, in response to Another BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Train Dude on Thu May 21 14:04:10 2020. Maybeand here or here Then the Avenue L trolley 
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Posted by Avid Reader on Fri May 22 10:30:17 2020, in response to Re: Another BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by SLRT on Fri May 22 09:36:21 2020. there was this for a long time
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 22 11:05:20 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by SLRT on Tue May 19 15:00:25 2020. Given capacity constraints at Park Row, I can imagine that even if the BRT wanted to run such a service, it would have been impossible to do so. |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri May 22 11:35:30 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 22 11:05:20 2020. Capacity constrains at Park Row began to ease starting when the IRT opened to Atlantic Avenue, when Myrtle-Chambers began in 1914 and more when they lost Brighton in 1920.Of course once they started use steels on Canarsie they could no longer route to Park Row by any route. |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri May 22 11:45:39 2020, in response to Re: Another BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Avid Reader on Fri May 22 10:30:17 2020. Quonset huts ... temporary housing post WW-II |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 22 11:50:53 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by SLRT on Fri May 22 11:35:30 2020. Yeah, once the Willy B opened up the Broadway route was more compatible with a route down Fulton or Lex to Park Row. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri May 22 12:20:18 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 22 11:05:20 2020. Given capacity constraints at Park Row, I can imagine that even if the BRT wanted to run such a service, it would have been impossible to do so.There's no doubt that Park Row was used to its max before 1908. That's the year of its max use. It's also the year that IRT service was extended into Brooklyn. The Park Row and Sands St stations were designed to exceed the nominal 40 tph capacity. They ran 66 tph (in each direction) as per an article in a contemporary engineering journal. Park Row/Sands St service levels were even higher during the bridge shuttle only days. They topped out at 90 tph, with a 24 hour average of 45 tph. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Fri May 22 12:32:36 2020, in response to Re: Another BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 22 09:15:10 2020. what year did the last streetcars run from this depot? |
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Posted by Express Rider on Fri May 22 12:40:00 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri May 22 09:18:31 2020. :) I've done that! |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri May 22 12:49:32 2020, in response to Re: Another BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Express Rider on Fri May 22 12:32:36 2020. I think 1951 when the remaining three lines were moved to 9th Avenue Depot. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 22 12:56:41 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri May 22 12:20:18 2020. Damn, they must've run them back to back.In 1908 the tracks over the Williamsburg Bridge opened and that's why there was never a Canarsie/Park Row service. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri May 22 14:23:18 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by SLRT on Fri May 22 09:39:21 2020. NICE. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 22 14:42:10 2020, in response to Re: Another BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 22 08:55:10 2020. The ROW is clearly visible from street level as far south as Flatlands. After that, being midblock, it's hard to figure out from street level alone. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 22 14:54:20 2020, in response to Re: Another BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by SLRT on Thu May 21 20:08:11 2020. When he said “New Lots Depot” that’s what I thought he meant. |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri May 22 14:56:33 2020, in response to Re: Another BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 22 14:42:10 2020. For a long time, the r-o-w was fairly clear until you got close to the Canarsie Shore. Several [maybe many] years ago, the NYCTA finally decided to sell off most of the right-of-way with, IIRC, first dibs to adjacent properties, for backyard expansions and such.You can still see snippets of right-of-way in odd-shaped buildings, especially near Rockaway Parkway. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri May 22 15:10:24 2020, in response to Re: Another BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 22 14:54:20 2020. he said "New Lots Car Barn" |
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