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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Jan 15 19:13:43 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Jan 15 18:10:36 2020. Yes, it's shocking. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jan 15 19:24:48 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Joe V on Wed Jan 15 17:48:14 2020. They were supposed to be able to do that on the fly. Possible that they can but NJT doesn't do it due to the whim of some lawyer or other.As for Jamaica when locked down, the maximum height is in the 14' 6" range, and the LIRR's GP38-2 was 15' 4" tall. |
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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Jan 15 19:28:44 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 14 20:45:43 2020. There was no feedback from anyone complaining or praising the service. If there was, service/schedules would have been adjusted. MNR was more customer friendly back then, or so it would seem. It was an experement which the MTA/CDOT signed off on. The market just wasn't there, straight answer. As then MNR president Don Nelson put it about direct Waterbury/GCT service: "We threw a party...and nobody came". That just about sums it up. |
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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jan 15 19:49:54 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jan 15 19:08:54 2020. From Dunellen and east, yes. I think the fare from Cranford to Manhattan on the bus is also a little higher than the train. 113 service has been pretty static in the 27 years I have been here. |
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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jan 15 19:53:47 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jan 15 19:24:48 2020. EXO trains also stops to cut-over. But that ends forever on March 6 when they will close the Mt Royal tunnel to heavy rail trains. They will then repalce all F59's and the ALP45DP's with more fuel efficient engines. I read that ion their website today.The GP38 was a road switcher lacking dynamic brake blisters. They still had to shave back the top of the battery box on the long hood when they discovered it would not clear in the Fall of 1975. |
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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Jan 15 20:14:15 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Jan 15 18:10:36 2020. it's amazing the train line is still run like 1953Why spend crazy capital and operating money for meh ridership when they can get you to do most of the work and drive to Ronkonkoma? I suspect that from an agency standpoint, they see how the ridership works out east of Patchogue and Speonk on the Montauk, and despite Riverhead's population increases, it's easier to do nothing than to spend the money to service that area correctly. It's going to take a change in management to see that area as valuable and to run it more like how Metro North runs Southeast/Wassaic. |
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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 16 07:54:14 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Jan 15 20:14:15 2020. LIRR = Manhattan & Ronkonkoma Railroad Company. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Jan 16 11:11:14 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Jan 15 20:14:15 2020. Aren't they strained enough for diesels as it is? Maybe when the next round of cars and locomotives comes around, but not now. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 16 13:39:57 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by 3-9 on Thu Jan 16 11:11:14 2020. Capital budget has 10 locomotives and 17 loco-hauled coaches (M-9 car bodies). |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 16 15:08:10 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by 3-9 on Thu Jan 16 11:11:14 2020. They should electrify using catenary and get M-10s. |
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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jan 16 15:16:08 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 16 15:08:10 2020. I wonder when battery-powered locomotives will become practical. Or at least with sufficient battery power to get the train into and out of Penn or GCT. |
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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 16 15:41:27 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 16 15:08:10 2020. Won't fit thru 63rd Street tunnels. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Jan 16 15:52:09 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 16 15:16:08 2020. never happen, charging batteries releases explosive gasses in lead acid batteries and even if newer Li-Ion batteries were to used they have been cause of several large fires. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jan 16 16:44:10 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Jan 16 15:52:09 2020. I wasn't talking about lead-acid or lithium ion. Vanadium Redox flow batteries can't catch fire. |
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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 16 16:50:22 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 16 15:08:10 2020. Unless maintenance is THAT expensive, it's cheaper to just buy an adequate amount of diesel locomotives and coaches. There's a reason why electrification to Port Jefferson and Patchogue is always discussed but almost never electrification to Poughkeepsie. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Jan 16 16:54:43 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 16 16:44:10 2020. size is about same as 40 foot container for 1 MW ?? or about 1341 hp ? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jan 16 20:28:13 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 16 16:50:22 2020. Actually, there's no reason. When the government controls everything, there's an automatic conflict of interest built in. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jan 16 20:30:20 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Jan 15 20:14:15 2020. Why spend crazy capital and operating money for meh ridershipFalse argument. Depending on where and how it was spent, certain routes went from low or even zero ridership to high automatically. And that's aside from the government control. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jan 16 20:32:58 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Joe V on Wed Jan 15 19:49:54 2020. I didn't even get into routes 114 and 117, formerly routes 148 and 148X respectively. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 16 21:49:14 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 16 15:41:27 2020. So what? Neither can C3s. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jan 16 21:57:46 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Jan 15 19:28:44 2020. There was no feedback from anyone complaining or praising the serviceHow do you know there wasn't and it was just ignored by the MTA and ConnDOT? If there was, service/schedules would have been adjusted Your faith in government agencies is misplaced. They do as they please, including running New Haven Line "expresses" at plodding average speeds of 37 mph. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jan 16 22:30:31 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 16 15:08:10 2020. Catenary was tested on the LIRR. Should have become the standard. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jan 16 22:41:32 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Jan 16 15:52:09 2020. charging batteries releases explosive gasses in lead acid batteriesOnly if you use strong charging current. What do you think an alternator in a car does, every day? And how many battery-powered electric cars use lead-acid batteries outside golf carts, really? Baker Electric used nickel-iron batteries designed by Thomas Edison, and some of their racing cars used lead-zinc batteries. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jan 17 08:44:19 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jan 16 22:41:32 2020. a car has sufficient ventilation , tunnels don't |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jan 17 13:58:19 2020, in response to NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 14 10:46:45 2020. How much money did this company give to Murphy for this bill? |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jan 17 14:01:25 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Jan 16 16:54:43 2020. Size for the storage is huge, that's for sure. You'd have to carry a fuel car behind the locomotive. But size for the power generation isn't that big.This technology is not going to take over railroading in 2021; I understand that. But don't rule out 2030. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jan 17 16:31:14 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jan 16 22:30:31 2020. The problem is that the third rail as used on the LIRR preceded the catenary as used on the PRR by several decades and by that time, so much of the LIRR was electrified that it would have been prohibitively expensive to redo the entire railroad especially since much of the PRR was done during the depression with federal money. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 17 16:55:37 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jan 17 13:58:19 2020. We'll never find out from the FBI or CIA, at least. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 17 17:03:21 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by randyo on Fri Jan 17 16:31:14 2020. Since when is three years several decades? |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jan 18 02:28:27 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 17 17:03:21 2020. I hadn’t known about that and if that were the case then why didn’t the LIRR continue with it instead of getting rid of it and using 3rd rail for its entire electrified territory.? There must have been a reason why the RR thought that 3rd rail was superior to catenary at the time. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 18 07:08:41 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by randyo on Sat Jan 18 02:28:27 2020. They had clearance issues, such as Jamaica Station and the tunnels to Brooklyn. Maybe other low bridges. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 18 10:52:35 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 18 07:08:41 2020. Nothing that couldn't be surmounted, or else they would not have even considered it at one point. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 18 11:25:24 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 18 10:52:35 2020. Considered and rejected. |
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