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Posted by Union Tpke on Tue Jan 14 19:47:19 2020  |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Jan 14 20:49:58 2020, in response to 1970 Employee "RR" Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by Union Tpke on Tue Jan 14 19:47:19 2020. Cool seeing 11th St in there as a time-point. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jan 15 01:24:53 2020, in response to 1970 Employee "RR" Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by Union Tpke on Tue Jan 14 19:47:19 2020. I recall those timetable since around the time of Chrystie, as an extra list Tw/M, I would regularly be assigned to the midnight at Astoria tower. The trains ran on approximately a 15 min headway well into the morning being on 20 min for a little less the 2 hours overnight. A similar pattern was operated pre Chrystie when the Brighton Lcls ran to Astoria. The last layup from the late PM arriving Astoria would lay up in one of the pockets in Ditmars station and became the first AM put in all 7 days. Of course on Sat and Sun the headway decrease started later than it did Mon - Fri. On occasions when a single track operation was in effect in either the Montague or the 60 St tunnels, supplement schedules had to be generated to started the 20 min headway earlier at midnight and holding it till 500 AM M - F or 600AM on Sat. In those days unless there was a severe emergency, general order reroutes or single tk operations were not done Sat night going into Sun or Sun night going into Mon. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Wed Jan 15 01:34:51 2020, in response to 1970 Employee "RR" Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by Union Tpke on Tue Jan 14 19:47:19 2020. Wow, the format has barely changed at all. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jan 15 01:39:31 2020, in response to Re: 1970 Employee ''RR'' Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Jan 14 20:49:58 2020. In my post, I neglected to mention that 11 St is still used as a timepoint on the N and R timetables although when I was still working there it wasn’t printed out. The reason for that was with a system as complicated as the NYCTS, there are many locations where adjusting timetable to clear one line with another, might now create a conflict with another line it merges with. The M/N/R/W mergers is a good example. Although a problem of the same complexity no longer exists N/B since the G no longer operates into Qns Plaza allowing an R to proceed into the station and be held to clear an M, S/B is a bit different. If a S/B R were to be held at Qns Plz to clear an N or W it might interfere with an M. To solve that problem, a hold is scheduled at 11 St to allow the R to clear the M but allowing it to be held just north of the 11 S switches to clear an N or W coming from Astoria. When the Gs were still running into Qns PLz, the R would have to be held N/B between 11 S and Qns Plz to clear both Astoria and Qns Blvd service so on paper, 11 St is where the “hold” would take place even though in reality the train would probably be waiting just S/O Qns Plz. Of course as I mentioned, since 11 St is no longer printed on the timetable, it is in a sense an “invisible” hold. There are a few other places on the system where an “invisible”or sometimes a visible hold is placed at an interlocking point to help clear a train that has to merge with 2 conflicting services. |
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Posted by BusRider on Wed Jan 15 03:42:26 2020, in response to Re: 1970 Employee ''RR'' Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Jan 15 01:34:51 2020. Does anyone know what type of font that is? |
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Posted by BusRider on Wed Jan 15 03:44:00 2020, in response to Re: 1970 Employee ''RR'' Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by randyo on Wed Jan 15 01:39:31 2020. This is why it amazes and interests me how at one point the entire system was generated by hand. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jan 15 10:27:08 2020, in response to Re: 1970 Employee ''RR'' Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by randyo on Wed Jan 15 01:39:31 2020. At one point 11th St was included on the MTA website GTFS timetable. That's no longer the case.I wrote a program to analyze the GTFS timetables to find merging conflicts. I've reported some here from time to time. It's not a difficult program to write. I'm surprised NYCT does not run a similar sanity check on the schedules they produce. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Wed Jan 15 13:24:06 2020, in response to Re: 1970 Employee ''RR'' Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jan 15 10:27:08 2020. Yup, the MTA eliminated it after it got into Google Maps. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jan 15 15:36:28 2020, in response to Re: 1970 Employee ''RR'' Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by BusRider on Wed Jan 15 03:42:26 2020. I can’t say for sure but at the time that timetable was issued, the schedule makers hand wrote the timetables and work programs and typists would type them onto stencils where the copies were runoff by machine. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jan 15 15:38:18 2020, in response to Re: 1970 Employee ''RR'' Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by BusRider on Wed Jan 15 03:44:00 2020. As I mentioned in my other post, the timetables and work programs were hand written and given to typists who put them on stencils to be printed. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jan 15 15:41:36 2020, in response to Re: 1970 Employee ''RR'' Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jan 15 10:27:08 2020. There are several hidden timepoints on the system to cover similar situations and I wonder if they were also included on Google. |
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Posted by Bill West on Wed Jan 15 16:43:17 2020, in response to Re: 1970 Employee ''RR'' Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by randyo on Wed Jan 15 15:36:28 2020. My thought was that this was produced on a computer line printer. A look at Wikipedia brings up the IBM 1403. In the External Links at the bottom is a Font sample, in Windows clicking on it and selecting open showed a sample at the top that matches our printout. Buttons on the top appear to allow printing a sample or installing it on your PC.Bill |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jan 15 17:54:46 2020, in response to Re: 1970 Employee ''RR'' Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by Bill West on Wed Jan 15 16:43:17 2020. It was not produced on a computer printer because I was in the schedule office shortly after that timetable was produced and we were using typewriters. |
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Posted by BusRider on Wed Jan 15 21:29:51 2020, in response to Re: 1970 Employee ''RR'' Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by randyo on Wed Jan 15 17:54:46 2020. Weren’t typewriters then using Times New Roman? |
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Posted by BusRider on Wed Jan 15 21:34:08 2020, in response to 1970 Employee "RR" Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by Union Tpke on Tue Jan 14 19:47:19 2020. Does anyone know how layups at 95th and Astoria took place, especially with getting to the yard? |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Wed Jan 15 23:37:40 2020, in response to Re: 1970 Employee ''RR'' Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by randyo on Wed Jan 15 15:41:36 2020. I vaguely recall a time point appearing inside the Brooklyn Battery Tunnel at one point. Probably for an express bus route. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Jan 16 04:08:54 2020, in response to Re: 1970 Employee ''RR'' Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by randyo on Wed Jan 15 15:41:36 2020. Please, what is a timepoint?Thanks. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Jan 16 11:22:43 2020, in response to Re: 1970 Employee ''RR'' Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by BusRider on Wed Jan 15 21:34:08 2020. In Astoria, they used the middle track between there and QP. |
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Posted by BusRider on Thu Jan 16 12:20:10 2020, in response to Re: 1970 Employee ''RR'' Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by italianstallion on Thu Jan 16 11:22:43 2020. Thank you! |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jan 16 16:22:56 2020, in response to Re: 1970 Employee ''RR'' Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by BusRider on Wed Jan 15 21:29:51 2020. My home typewriter did, but obviously the ones we used in the schedule office didn’t although as I recall, the crew office typewriters did. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jan 16 16:45:04 2020, in response to Re: 1970 Employee ''RR'' Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by BusRider on Wed Jan 15 21:34:08 2020. Layups at 95 St would have to go to 36 St and turn on the N/B exp tk Xover to the Sb and operate to either 36 St Yd or CIYd except for 1 or 2 that laid up in the middle tk N/O 95 St. In the AM rush selected S/B RRs terminated at 36 St and laid up from there. In the PM they were put in from there St the end of the late PM they laid up as previously described by turning at 36 St but some of them laid up on the S.B exp tk between 36 and 59 St, and ran light S/B in the AM for N/B service lvg 95 St. I’m not sure when the practice ended but at least till Chrystie, in addition to RRs laying up S/O 36 St and the middle N/O 95 St, 3 trains would lay up on the N/B tk between 95 and 86 St including 1 in the station. Regular RR service would then single tk on the S/B tk between 95 an 86 St with the N/Bs using the single Xover N/O 86 st to get back to the N/B tk. The unmanned tower at 86 St was set up so that at night the switch and associated signals could be controlled from the 95 St interlocking machine. During normal hours, the 86 St tower was set for straight rail operation but at night a Tw/M would go to 86 St tower and set the machine to allow for 95 St control. In the very early AM another Tw/M (my lunch relief at 59 St actually) would set the machine for the aforementioned straight rail operation which would remove the ability of 95 St tower to control it. As another poster mentioned, Astoria layups would simply lay up in the middle tk between Astoria and Qnsbro Plz and be put in from there when needed. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jan 16 16:57:46 2020, in response to Re: 1970 Employee ''RR'' Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by Express Rider on Thu Jan 16 04:08:54 2020. A timepoint is a place on the timetable where arrival and/or departure times are shown. Terminals are always timepoints but certain other places on the line usually stations are shown to display the times the train is supposed to be at various places along the route. In some cases as the timetable in question shows a timepoint may be a place along the route that is not a station but a junction point with other lines where local supervision or tower staff has to keep the trains in their proper place. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jan 16 19:16:08 2020, in response to Re: 1970 Employee ''RR'' Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by BusRider on Wed Jan 15 21:29:51 2020. The IBM Selectric (golf ball) typewriters were around before 1970. Changing typeface was a snap. Most typewriters used Courier. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Jan 16 23:36:04 2020, in response to Re: 1970 Employee ''RR'' Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by randyo on Thu Jan 16 16:57:46 2020. Thank you for the explanation. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Thu Jan 16 23:42:22 2020, in response to Re: 1970 Employee ''RR'' Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by randyo on Wed Jan 15 15:41:36 2020. For a few weeks there was one on the Sea Beach near Stillwell Av, something like "n/b Coney Island Draw". |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jan 17 16:22:10 2020, in response to Re: 1970 Employee ''RR'' Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jan 16 19:16:08 2020. You should have seen the antique typewriters and other office machines we had in the schedule office prior to computerization. They were perfect candidates for the Smithsonian. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jan 17 16:32:59 2020, in response to Re: 1970 Employee ''RR'' Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by K. Trout on Thu Jan 16 23:42:22 2020. When was that? I don’t recall it existing when I was in the schedule office till 1997. |
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Posted by BusRider on Sun Jan 19 11:46:56 2020, in response to Re: 1970 Employee ''RR'' Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by randyo on Thu Jan 16 16:45:04 2020. Thank you for your knowledge of detail Randy. Was time ever considered at one point for like walking from one end to the train to other? A put-in or a layup, unlike buses where they have pre-trip inspections, is there the like for the trains and if so how long does it take or was a scheduled allowed? |
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Posted by murray1575 on Sun Jan 19 12:55:41 2020, in response to Re: 1970 Employee ''RR'' Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by randyo on Thu Jan 16 16:45:04 2020. I guess this is why the N and R switched north terminals in 1987. This way the R gained direct access to Jamaica yard and the N continued to use Coney Island yard. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jan 19 19:03:18 2020, in response to Re: 1970 Employee ''RR'' Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by murray1575 on Sun Jan 19 12:55:41 2020. Exactly! |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jan 19 19:18:26 2020, in response to Re: 1970 Employee ''RR'' Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by BusRider on Sun Jan 19 11:46:56 2020. Walking from one end of the train to the other is usually incorporated into the work program in the form of crew recovery time at terminals which in most cases is 15 min except on long lines like the R and the F where it is 20 min. At the beginning of a run crews are given 15 min reporting time before departure to study bulletins, notices and GOs and receive other instructions from the terminal dispatcher. In most cases the M/M is given a full hour to prepare a train for service and 45 min to lay a train up. Part of the preparation includes checking around the outside train for any visible defects and to check all air connections are open between cars. Inside the T/O is also required to insure that all compressors are cut in, the signs are properly set, and door operations are functioning properly and all handbrakes are fully released. Layup time is usually 45 min and T/Os are responsible for cutting out lights, compressors and applying sufficient handbrakes. As more cars are added to the fleet, with electronic signs, self applying “parking” brakes and simplified door controls the time needed to both prepare and lay up trains will probably be reduced. Already, on the IRT there are no longer any cars with drum switches which on older equipment have to be set to establish the proper C/R operating position so setting up C/R operation is greatly simplified. With the departure of the last of the R-32s the same situation will exist on the BMT and IND as well. |
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Posted by BusRider on Sun Jan 19 20:10:12 2020, in response to Re: 1970 Employee ''RR'' Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by randyo on Sun Jan 19 19:18:26 2020. I can imagine, how tiresome that can be after while. Looking at the attached timetable, was ridership figures used to determine what trips ran the 6 car train versus 4 during the mid-day period? |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jan 20 01:05:21 2020, in response to Re: 1970 Employee ''RR'' Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by BusRider on Sun Jan 19 20:10:12 2020. That’s pretty much the way it was, but by the time I got to the schedule office, the car service was no longer an integral part of the timetable but was governed by a notice issued by the head of the Transportation (now RTO) dept which coincided with the start of the pick. Another reason for the change was that in case ridership mandated a change in car service it could be implemented by notice rather than having to issue a supplement timetable just to effect a car service change. Another wrinkle back in those days was that often the actual number of trips on a given line did not always balance between N/B and S/B, the balance being achieved by operating trains of different lengths in both directions so that at the end of 24 hrs the car service was balanced. Problems started to arise when circa 1970 the TA stopped cutting trains at night and middays and at the end of the day one end of a line would be over by a number of cars. I recall when I was a new T/D in 1970 I would often get 207 St on Mon midnight and Sun going into Mon the A Line was over by 20 cars at the south end (Lefferts). The A was still running R-10s at the time, so what we did was to cut 2 10 car trains into 4 5 car trains to operate S/B. When they got to Lefferts they were added back up to 10s and 2 10 car trains were put in service to go back to 207 to balance service. |
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Posted by BusRider on Mon Jan 20 09:59:40 2020, in response to Re: 1970 Employee ''RR'' Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by randyo on Mon Jan 20 01:05:21 2020. Cutting trains seems very time consuming in itself, though I could see it being cost effective and more appropriate for a particular schedule. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jan 20 11:04:10 2020, in response to Re: 1970 Employee ''RR'' Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by BusRider on Mon Jan 20 09:59:40 2020. IMO cutting trains midday was time consuming, and labor intensive/expensive.There was a time when I was working at Metropolitan, and I forget if it was the last days of going via the Brighton or West End, that we had 3 cut and add men during the day. Not picked jobs, but extra jobs assigned by the crew office. By the time we were finished cutting (the extra guys did the put-ins and layups, the station switchman did the cuts & adds) by the time we finished cutting, plans were made to add them back up. A few 4 car trains only made 1 round trip. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Mon Jan 20 11:09:18 2020, in response to Re: 1970 Employee ''RR'' Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by randyo on Mon Jan 20 01:05:21 2020. How was this done when short cars were brought back about 1991?    |
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Posted by BusRider on Mon Jan 20 14:31:31 2020, in response to Re: 1970 Employee ''RR'' Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jan 20 11:04:10 2020. Thank you Bill, was this past practice before the TA/MTA do you know? How long did it take to do a cut or add? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jan 20 14:55:40 2020, in response to Re: 1970 Employee ''RR'' Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by BusRider on Mon Jan 20 14:31:31 2020. I'm not sure what you are asking in the first part of your question but if I do: who does what is up to the dispatcher but since the station switchman had seniority, he stayed in the station while the other 3 had to walk back and forth to the yard and had to climb up and down the trains. A good dispatcher would have the same guy who laid up given trains earlier would have him bring the same ones back up later.As long as the locks break upon insertion of the cutting key it was a snap to cut any train up to an R42. Without giving away trade secrets which may offend the purists, after that just back away and charge up both 4 car trains making sure both pieces have motormans indication. A platform c/r would set up the c/r positions on both trains. Adding: make sure the couplers are aligned and make the add. |
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Posted by BusRider on Mon Jan 20 15:02:02 2020, in response to Re: 1970 Employee ''RR'' Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jan 20 14:55:40 2020. Interesting, thank you. With regard to the first question, I was just asking if cutting trains dated back to the beginning of the subway system? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jan 20 15:52:24 2020, in response to Re: 1970 Employee ''RR'' Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by BusRider on Mon Jan 20 15:02:02 2020. I know on some lines, yes, like the el's when they had gate cars because the more cars you ran the more c/r's you needed. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jan 20 16:11:31 2020, in response to Re: 1970 Employee ''RR'' Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jan 20 14:55:40 2020. Back when steels (ABs) made the bulk of BMT service the station drillmen (That’s what BMT switchmen were called to distinguish them from C/Rs assigned as handswitchmen or simply switchmen who threw hand switches in the yards) also had to go under the cars where the cuts/adds were being done the either remove or insert the 9 point jumpers which were needed for door controls. In addition on the el lines as another poster alluded to, the M/M would have to insert and remove train line jumpers at the point where the cuts and adds took place. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jan 20 16:15:09 2020, in response to Re: 1970 Employee ''RR'' Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jan 20 11:04:10 2020. Sometime in the late 1970s, midday service on the 1 and 6 was cut to 5 car trains and the AA was cut to 4 car trains. While it wasn’t necessary on the 6, the way the midday headways were set up on the 1 and the AA, if the trains weren’t cut, there wouldn’t be enough trains for midday service. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jan 20 16:24:01 2020, in response to Re: 1970 Employee ''RR'' Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by Union Tpke on Mon Jan 20 11:09:18 2020. I recall that being tried in the early 1990s when weekend A, D, N and R service was supposed to be done with 4 car trains of whatever type of 75 ft cars were assigned to those lines. The weekend headways were decreased so that loading guidelines would not be exceeded. While the A with its R-44s, the D with its R-68s and the R with its R-46s were no problem. However there were not sufficient 75 ft cars which would have been R-68s at the time to provide full weekend N service, the difference being made up with R-32s. As a result weekend N service was provided by full 600 ft trains and eventually the program was dropped. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jan 20 17:55:01 2020, in response to Re: 1970 Employee ''RR'' Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by randyo on Mon Jan 20 16:11:31 2020. When I was quite young, I would watch the drillmen at Metropolitan Ave. add up the Q-Types for the PM rush. There were at least 3 men for the operation, 2 on the ground who inserted the hook and pin for the add and also hooked up hoses for the air with another drillman upstairs who moved a train to make the add. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jan 20 18:58:47 2020, in response to Re: 1970 Employee ''RR'' Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jan 20 17:55:01 2020. That would be about right. When I broke in as a M/M in late 1968, that was one of my break in locations. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Jan 20 19:32:23 2020, in response to Re: 1970 Employee ''RR'' Fourth Avenue Line Timetable, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Jan 15 23:37:40 2020. They have a few on the nonstop portions. I know there's one by the I-95/I-278 interchange on the "via NJ" lines, and a few along the Gowanus/SIE |
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