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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jan 9 16:00:22 2020  R-44's   "Mothballed" R-16's   R-44 #396 years before being sent to Staten Island. (Nov. 11, 1979)  R-38 wash train (Oct. 1984)  R-62 wash train (March 1985)  The "Green Machine" (March 1985)  Red R-30's and new R-68's (July 1989)  (Sept. 1991)  Thanks for viewing and your positive comments in advance |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Jan 9 16:28:45 2020, in response to [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jan 9 16:00:22 2020. Two thumbs up! |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 9 16:40:48 2020, in response to [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jan 9 16:00:22 2020. Those are great photos. But man oh man were some of those R-10s absolutely filthy looking! |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jan 9 17:05:29 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Dave on Thu Jan 9 16:28:45 2020. And drooling tars (or whatever)ROARING |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Thu Jan 9 17:20:16 2020, in response to [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jan 9 16:00:22 2020. WONDERFUL PHOTOS |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jan 9 17:37:01 2020, in response to [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jan 9 16:00:22 2020. Great photos. Thanks for sharing!! |
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Posted by zac on Thu Jan 9 18:09:54 2020, in response to [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jan 9 16:00:22 2020. I went to Lehman for a year in the early 70s and it looked like Concourse yard had all the junk. At the time it was the last of the R1 and R4 on the CC and D. Even the R6/7/9 looked a lot better on the other lines. I distinctly remember that only the low numbered cars were there. The highest numbered cars were on the LL and other eastern lines, and the E/F/GG had the ones between. I don't remember what the AA or B had of that class. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Thu Jan 9 19:47:08 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jan 9 17:37:01 2020. Excellent photos, including the ones with the R-10 cara!-William A. Padron ["Concourse-8th Av.Lcl."] |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Thu Jan 9 20:05:26 2020, in response to [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jan 9 16:00:22 2020. Nice! lol @ the R38 wash train motorman wearing a raincoat while operating the train though the wash hahaThose R62s look so outta place, its crazy cause that photo was taken in the mid 80's and the cars still look the same today. Its wild that the 62s were in service BEFORE the Mets 86 championship season. Footage from that baseball season looks so ancient and yet RTSs and 62s were roaming the city at the time. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jan 9 20:14:36 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Jan 9 19:47:08 2020. I'd like to see a photo of 207th St. Yard full of Thunderbirds. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Jan 10 00:11:27 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Thu Jan 9 20:05:26 2020. Yeah man I meant to mention that too. He reminded me of the character’Moon’ from The Seven Ups |
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Posted by Express Rider on Fri Jan 10 01:44:22 2020, in response to [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jan 9 16:00:22 2020. Great, excellent photos!!Thank you for sharing! The green R-10s look really cool, spiffy! I have two or three black and white photos of the Concourse yard, taken on the Lo-V trip, May 7, 1966. Everything was all pre-war R1-9s |
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Posted by Goumba Tony on Fri Jan 10 05:05:16 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Thu Jan 9 20:05:26 2020. Nice! lol @ the R38 wash train motorman wearing a raincoat while operating the train though the wash hahaThey still distribute gear to TOs that request it before going through the wash. I have to say in the years I spent in the yards, relatively few have done so. For some reason I found it humorous that a train with graffiti was being washed, as if having a clean train with graffiti was more desirable. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jan 10 11:10:17 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by zac on Thu Jan 9 18:09:54 2020. One fact that seems to escape most subway fans is that while Concourse Barn is the smallest in the system, with just 3 tracks, Concourse Yard is one of, if not the largest yard, by car capacity in the system. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Jan 10 11:53:24 2020, in response to [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jan 9 16:00:22 2020. Thanks for the great shots of days (and cars) gone by! |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Jan 10 15:00:11 2020, in response to [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jan 9 16:00:22 2020. Thanks as always!! Wonderful stuff!!I notice that R16 6388 in Pic 4 is signed up for the K route (even though it says KK). By early 1979, that route had been gone for over 2 years. I wonder if the car sat unused the whole time- after all, it was an R16... Or- was someone nostalgic for the route? Or maybe, the signs were stuck in place? |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Fri Jan 10 17:30:56 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 9 16:40:48 2020. By the late 1970s, the R10s as well as many other subway cars had seen better days. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Fri Jan 10 18:33:09 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jan 9 20:14:36 2020. There is such a photo like that, and once used as a Subway Sun poster too! It appeared on the back in one of the New York City Subway Calendars some time ago.-William A. Padron ["Wash.Hts.-207th St."] |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jan 10 18:40:28 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Goumba Tony on Fri Jan 10 05:05:16 2020. I don’t know whether they had it when the photo was taken but at some point the TA developed a detergent solution that cleaned the graffiti off the cars. |
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Posted by Goumba Tony on Fri Jan 10 18:42:04 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by randyo on Fri Jan 10 18:40:28 2020. No, that's actually separate. After they use the cleaner on the cars, they are run through the car wash to remove any residual cleaner. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jan 10 18:52:42 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jan 9 20:14:36 2020. 
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jan 10 18:57:32 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jan 10 11:10:17 2020. Another oddity about Concourse Yd is that some of the tracks have letter suffixes like 21A, 21B etc since from what I heard, the tracks were numbered when there were fewer tks in the yd and when the extra tks were added, rather than renumber them they just added lettered suffixes. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Fri Jan 10 19:20:14 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jan 10 18:52:42 2020. YES!!! YES!!! YES!!!-William A. Padron ["Wash.Hts.-8th Av.Exp."] |
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Posted by kp5308 on Fri Jan 10 21:57:36 2020, in response to [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jan 9 16:00:22 2020. Fantastic! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jan 10 21:59:09 2020, in response to Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Jan 10 18:33:09 2020. I wonder if any photos exist of 207th St Yard full of R-10s in broad daylight in the racing stripe scheme. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jan 10 23:21:24 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by randyo on Fri Jan 10 18:57:32 2020. And of course another oddity was 99 switch which was a spring switch leading to the car wash |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Jan 11 06:33:19 2020, in response to [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jan 9 16:00:22 2020. Nice photos! |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Jan 11 07:10:50 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jan 10 21:59:09 2020. Broad daylight yes, racing stripes no. Motorman's strike on Dec. 10, 1957 
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sat Jan 11 11:30:51 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Jan 11 07:10:50 2020. Cool! |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Jan 11 11:51:39 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Jan 11 07:10:50 2020. WOWLOOK AT THOSE RFW EQUIPPED RAILCARS !! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jan 11 15:03:05 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Jan 11 07:10:50 2020. Is that Smith-9th St. I see on one of those destination signs? |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Jan 11 16:03:43 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jan 11 15:03:05 2020. Is that Smith-9th St. I see on one of those destination signs?Yes, only one. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jan 11 16:03:53 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jan 10 23:21:24 2020. I forgot about that one. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jan 11 16:15:54 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Jan 10 19:20:14 2020. The R-10s were great cars but I can’t help feeling that if the B of T had held off a year or two, the R-10s (as well as the 12s and 14s) would probably have utilized the design of the R-15, porthole windows, axiflow fans, inside door controls and all instead of caps and triggers. It would not have made the R-10s any less of a car but it would have given the cars a more modern look. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jan 11 16:25:40 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Jan 11 07:10:50 2020. It’s too bad that the NYCTA didn’t use car washes back then because even in the original 2 tone gray with the dark orange stripe the cars looked good. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Jan 11 17:12:26 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by randyo on Sat Jan 11 16:25:40 2020. It’s too bad that the NYCTA didn’t use car washes back then because even in the original 2 tone gray with the dark orange stripe the cars looked good.Stainless steel cars was the reason for the car washes ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sat Jan 11 18:06:00 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Jan 11 07:10:50 2020. TRIPLE YES!!! And so it goes...-William A. Padron ["Wash.Hts.-207th St."] |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jan 11 18:12:16 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Jan 11 17:12:26 2020. I doubt it since IIRC the first car washer was out in Corona to wash the R33/36WF models on the Flushing line, a good year and change before the arrival of the R-32s |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sat Jan 11 18:13:43 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by randyo on Sat Jan 11 16:15:54 2020. But when the NYCTA came into being, they ditched with the porthole windows. Starting with the R-16 and R-17 contracts, they went with the larger window panes on the side doors, plus the larger sized side roll sign boxes came into play.-William A. Padron ["a.c.f."] |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sat Jan 11 18:19:36 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jan 11 18:12:16 2020. The first car wash installed was at 207th Street Yard in 1960. To whit...R-10 car 3160, 207th Street Yard, July 16, 1960. -William A. Padron ["Fulton-Lefferts Blvd."] |
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Posted by mack c-49 on Sat Jan 11 19:04:20 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by randyo on Sat Jan 11 16:15:54 2020. I never understood why the door controls on the R10s and R12s were never updated and brought inside. I would have thought that the conductor's union would have fought for such an upgrade on the basis of safety concerns alone. The doors controls on the BMT standards were inside the cars. It always seemed odd to me that the later IND cars went backward to a comparatively primitive and dangerous door control system. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jan 11 19:06:14 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by William A. Padron on Sat Jan 11 18:19:36 2020. Ok. I sit corrected!! |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jan 11 20:59:59 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by mack c-49 on Sat Jan 11 19:04:20 2020. With the door controls inside on the BMT steels, the C/R was unable to observe the platform for passengers possibly caught in doors as the train left the station. With the C/R on steps, the C/R was able to observe the platform making it safer. Later on when door controls were placed inside the cabs the C/R was able to observe the platform. CTA had similar concerns with the articulated units which is why solid trains of artics were not usually operated. I suspect that the reason thr R-10s through 14s were not changed involved cost more than anything else. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jan 11 21:01:01 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by William A. Padron on Sat Jan 11 18:19:36 2020. Then when the old timers started to get washed, the gold "City of New York" lettering reappeared. Chances are many passengers didn't even know that lettering was there! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jan 11 21:01:37 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Jan 11 16:03:43 2020. Must have been a reroute.:) |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jan 11 21:06:46 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jan 11 21:01:01 2020. From what I can remember, when the R-10s and upstarted being washed, there was a problem with the R-1/9s paint coming off the sides of the cars in the wash. It was once described as 4 R-9s went into the wash and 4 pieces of rust came out. Why there was a difference I don’t know but I recall that prior to the R-9s getting the Ronan paint scheme, trains of R-9s coming from ENY to CIY would not be put through the wash. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jan 11 21:09:53 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Jan 11 07:10:50 2020. Holy cow |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jan 11 21:14:21 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by randyo on Sat Jan 11 21:06:46 2020. How weather proof were they in the first place? We’re they even designed to go outdoors?I know smith and 9th street but did they originally anticipate them being in the elements? Did they have windshield wipers originally? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jan 11 21:17:31 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by randyo on Sat Jan 11 21:06:46 2020. It wasn't so much paint or rust, it was 30+ years of steel dust coming off the sides from running underground most of the time. That served as sort of a benign protection. After coming thru the wash & the steel dust was gone, thats when they started to rust up. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jan 11 22:08:18 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jan 11 21:14:21 2020. "Did they have windshield wipers originally?"From what I've heard, they came from the factory w/o windshield wipers since the original plan was for all IND lines to be underground thus unnecessary. The short hop over the Gowanus Canal wasn't enough to warrant wipers, so thought the suits. Wipers weren't installed en masse on the R1-9fleet until the IND takeover of the elevated Culver Line. |
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