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Posted by Bzuck on Sat Nov 9 07:39:20 2019, in response to #1 Line question, posted by andy on Fri Nov 8 19:47:11 2019. There is a ramp from the elevated structure into 207th street yard. I don’t know the exact date it opened. I think it was some time in the 1980’s. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Nov 9 09:13:59 2019, in response to #1 Line question, posted by andy on Fri Nov 8 19:47:11 2019. 
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Posted by cortelyounext on Sat Nov 9 09:17:52 2019, in response to [PHOTO] Re: #1 Line question, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Nov 9 09:13:59 2019. Nice. Thank you, Bill. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Nov 9 10:10:38 2019, in response to [PHOTO] Re: #1 Line question, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Nov 9 09:13:59 2019. AWESOME!! |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Nov 9 10:44:14 2019, in response to [PHOTO] Re: #1 Line question, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Nov 9 09:13:59 2019. Thanks for the picture Bill. It still took them three years to place it in service. Tuscarora Almanac - December 9, 1988 - The Book of First Runs Manhattan, New York New York City Transit Authority IRT & IND Divisions The 207th Street Flyover is placed in service today. This line known as Track C, connects the IND 207th Street Yard with the IRT Broadway Line just north of 207 Street. Source: New York Division Bulletin / January 1989 Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 9 11:36:40 2019, in response to [PHOTO] Re: #1 Line question, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Nov 9 09:13:59 2019. Love those old LIRR colors on that thing.ROAR |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Nov 9 14:20:24 2019, in response to #1 Line question, posted by andy on Fri Nov 8 19:47:11 2019. Before the 207th St. connection was opened, my guess is that the only way IRT equipment could reach 207th Street was via the connection between the #4 line and the IND Concourse yard, correct?Yes, correct. So when did that connection (Jerome Ave. line to Concourse yard) open? |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Nov 9 14:37:49 2019, in response to [PHOTO] Re: #1 Line question, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Nov 9 09:13:59 2019. 
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Nov 9 14:42:32 2019, in response to [ANOTHER PHOTO] Re: #1 Line question, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Nov 9 14:37:49 2019. this ramp had to be rebuilt.it was 2 inches below the IRT connection. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Nov 9 14:44:15 2019, in response to [PHOTO] Re: #1 Line question, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Nov 9 09:13:59 2019. Thanks, Uncle Bill!!! |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Nov 9 15:03:52 2019, in response to Re: #1 Line question, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Nov 9 14:20:24 2019. Yes, correct. So when did that connection (Jerome Ave. line to Concourse yard) open? That connection opened in 1958. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Nov 9 15:37:57 2019, in response to Re: [ANOTHER PHOTO] Re: #1 Line question, posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Nov 9 14:42:32 2019. this ramp had to be rebuilt.it was 2 inches below the IRT connection.Measure twice, assemble once ! Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Nov 9 17:06:41 2019, in response to Re: [ANOTHER PHOTO] Re: #1 Line question, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Nov 9 15:37:57 2019. Actually, the rebuilding of the ramp was the result of the entire Bway el structure having to be raised across 207 St to clear larger trucks. The ramp was already built when the entire structure was raised and the ramp had to be raised to match. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Nov 9 17:07:59 2019, in response to Re: #1 Line question, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Nov 9 15:03:52 2019. The opening of that ramp enabled the original IRT 148 St shop to be closed and IRT main shop work transferred to 207 St Yd. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Nov 10 12:41:21 2019, in response to Re: [ANOTHER PHOTO] Re: #1 Line question, posted by randyo on Sat Nov 9 17:06:41 2019. Interesting. Did the #1 line through 207th St. have to be closed for a while to accomplish the raising? If so, for how long? |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Nov 11 00:52:42 2019, in response to Re: [ANOTHER PHOTO] Re: #1 Line question, posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Nov 10 12:41:21 2019. AFAIK, no. It was gradually raised using hydraulic jacks. According to an IRT old timer I worked with, the Astoria Line at Astoria Blvd had to be similarly raised to allow GCP access to the Triboro Bridge. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Mon Nov 11 16:50:49 2019, in response to [PHOTO] Re: #1 Line question, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Nov 9 09:13:59 2019. Amazing photo! |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Mon Nov 11 16:52:06 2019, in response to Re: [ANOTHER PHOTO] Re: #1 Line question, posted by randyo on Sat Nov 9 17:06:41 2019. Was this the result of a truck crashing into the structure or was this preemptive? |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Mon Nov 11 16:52:25 2019, in response to [PHOTO] Re: #1 Line question, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Nov 9 09:13:59 2019. Amazing photo! |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Nov 11 18:44:51 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: #1 Line question, posted by Union Tpke on Mon Nov 11 16:50:49 2019. Amazing photo !Thank you, did you catch this one ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Express Rider on Mon Nov 11 19:01:41 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: #1 Line question, posted by Union Tpke on Mon Nov 11 16:52:25 2019. Yes I'd agree with that.And your second photo was amazing as well. Thank you Bill! |
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Posted by Express Rider on Mon Nov 11 19:04:33 2019, in response to Re: #1 Line question, posted by randyo on Sat Nov 9 17:07:59 2019. And I was told that among other items discarded with 148th st.'s closure were cases of the IRT The New York Subway book - original 1904 printings and still in still in wrappers within the boxes, that were just thrown out. :( |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Nov 11 19:06:23 2019, in response to Re: [ANOTHER PHOTO] Re: #1 Line question, posted by Union Tpke on Mon Nov 11 16:52:06 2019. Not sure. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 12 00:22:02 2019, in response to Re: #1 Line question, posted by randyo on Sat Nov 9 17:07:59 2019. Dude.Seriously? 148th at Shops? I know you wrote that post to mess with people. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Nov 12 00:55:06 2019, in response to Re: #1 Line question, posted by Express Rider on Mon Nov 11 19:04:33 2019. That’s too bad because those original editions would have been very valuable today. Something similar was done in 1985 shortly after Gunn and Kiley took over the MTA/NYCTA. Gunn’s main goon David Feeley came into the schedule office one afternoon with a few more goons, removed and trashed quite a few old timetables and work programs that had been archived. Fortunately I was able to salvage one. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Nov 12 01:12:41 2019, in response to Re: #1 Line question, posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 12 00:22:02 2019. What is your question? To clarify, the IRT’s main shop was where the 148/Lenox Terminal and Yard are currently located. Although a few years passed after the shop's closing, eventually the area where part of the repair barn was located became the new 148 St terminal. 148 St was originally intended to completely replace the old 145 St station which had been the terminal for years but community opposition forced the TA to keep it open even though it was never lengthened and can't accommodate maximum length trains. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 12 02:33:14 2019, in response to Re: #1 Line question, posted by randyo on Tue Nov 12 01:12:41 2019. A Few years?The Shop was razed long before the new high rise was built. The 207 St connection was a different situation. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Nov 12 09:15:00 2019, in response to Re: #1 Line question, posted by randyo on Tue Nov 12 00:55:06 2019. My parents bought the IRT book's first repulished edition for me, when it was brought out by NYT's Arno press during the late 60s.It is hardcover and green, almost full size, with the repeating image of the double kiosks facing each other on the endpapers. though this image was not embossed (right word?) onto the front cover of the book as with the original. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Nov 12 13:42:47 2019, in response to Re: #1 Line question, posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 12 02:33:14 2019. The first connection was from the Jerome Line to Concourse Yd which gave the IRT access to the main shop at 207 St. I am aware that the shop was razed long before the high rise was built but that probably had no impact on the addition of the 148 St terminal so what is your point? |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Nov 12 13:53:20 2019, in response to Re: #1 Line question, posted by Express Rider on Tue Nov 12 09:15:00 2019. I have 2 copies, one original and the other a reprint. My original was missing 2 pages when I received it but the late trainmaster George Abere who sold it to me made some notes in the margins of the surrounding pages with the missing info. George found a min condition copy in a bookstore which is why he was able to sell me his slightly compromised copy. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Nov 12 14:06:22 2019, in response to #1 Line question, posted by andy on Fri Nov 8 19:47:11 2019. I believe you're right - I think the connection from the #1 line to 207th was only built in the 1980s. Previously, cars assigned to the #1 (Van Cortlandt yard) would've had to take the route you describe. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Nov 12 14:08:26 2019, in response to [PHOTO] Re: #1 Line question, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Nov 9 09:13:59 2019. Wonderful!! Thank you! |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Nov 12 14:15:24 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: #1 Line question, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Nov 9 10:44:14 2019. From November 1996- February 1999, I rode the 1 almost every day, full length of the line. I intuited that this connection was not original construction, but I did not know it was only about 10 years old at the time. I figured it was built circa unification. Later on, I learned on this board it was from the 1980s (see my comment to the OP) |
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Posted by Q4 on Tue Nov 12 17:19:57 2019, in response to Re: [ANOTHER PHOTO] Re: #1 Line question, posted by randyo on Sat Nov 9 17:06:41 2019. Poor planning if they already knew they were going to raise the line. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 12 17:38:50 2019, in response to Re: #1 Line question, posted by randyo on Tue Nov 12 13:42:47 2019. Gezz.I'm not. Just won't do it. Go back and read your original post to see what I'm referring to. Good luck. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Nov 12 19:25:30 2019, in response to Re: #1 Line question, posted by randyo on Tue Nov 12 13:53:20 2019. I heard of one other instance of the book being found in mint condition in a used bookstore in San Francisco, during the mid 1960s. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Nov 13 00:23:29 2019, in response to Re: [ANOTHER PHOTO] Re: #1 Line question, posted by Q4 on Tue Nov 12 17:19:57 2019. They might not have known it at the time. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Nov 13 00:26:09 2019, in response to Re: #1 Line question, posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 12 17:38:50 2019. I don’t see a thing wrong with my post. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Wed Nov 13 05:04:30 2019, in response to Re: #1 Line question, posted by randyo on Tue Nov 12 13:53:20 2019. I can only say once again, I met George Abere once at a Sunrise Trail meeting during the late 1990s. A real gentleman; sharing his knowledge and experience of transit history. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Wed Nov 13 17:56:06 2019, in response to [PHOTO] Re: #1 Line question, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Nov 9 09:13:59 2019. Hmm...was this, technically, the last bit of elevated train track/structure ever built in the city?When was the Junius Street connection to Linden Yard built? |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Nov 13 18:09:26 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: #1 Line question, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Nov 13 17:56:06 2019. Not sure, but Jamaica Av to Archer might be newer. |
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Posted by VictorM on Wed Nov 13 19:23:34 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: #1 Line question, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Nov 13 17:56:06 2019. The Junius St connection to Linden Shop Yard was opened in 1977. The Jamaica el connection to the Archer Av subway ramp was built around the same time as the 207 St connection (May 1985), but not placed into service until Dec.1988. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Wed Nov 13 20:53:31 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: #1 Line question, posted by VictorM on Wed Nov 13 19:23:34 2019. Interesting. I can't think of anything that might have been built later. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Nov 14 12:44:33 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: #1 Line question, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Nov 13 17:56:06 2019. Well, of course, JFK Airtrain is an elevated train. |
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Posted by Pelham Exp on Sun Nov 17 11:13:25 2019, in response to Re: #1 Line question, posted by randyo on Tue Nov 12 13:53:20 2019. Anyway, we can get a copy for the Transit Museum...this seems like a great piece of history and something that should be preserved in the archives. Let me know. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Nov 17 11:27:01 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: #1 Line question, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Nov 13 17:56:06 2019. The ramp from the Jamaica line to Archer starts out elevated and was opened in 1988. |
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