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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Oct 20 18:13:42 2019, in response to Subway route letter uses, posted by andy on Sun Oct 20 17:34:23 2019. When the old AA 8th Ave. Local became the K train? Andy: I believe that the official date of the change was May 6, 1986. However trains continued to carry "AA" signs for some time after that. The "K" as the 8th Avenue Local ended its run on December 10, 1988. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Oct 20 18:31:45 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Oct 20 18:13:42 2019. My very first 8th Ave. subway ride was on a three-car, prewar AA train from 42nd to 81st on Sunday, May 7, 1967. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 20 19:05:37 2019, in response to Subway route letter uses, posted by andy on Sun Oct 20 17:34:23 2019.   
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Posted by andy on Sun Oct 20 19:09:53 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 20 19:05:37 2019. Thank you. When did these changes go into effect? |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 20 19:47:17 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by andy on Sun Oct 20 19:09:53 2019. Thank you. When did these changes go into effect?That I do not know. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Oct 20 20:42:05 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 20 19:05:37 2019. I still call them by their double letters, much to other people's chagrin |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Oct 20 20:42:14 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 20 19:05:37 2019. I still call them by their double letters, much to other people's chagrin |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Oct 20 21:20:50 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by andy on Sun Oct 20 19:09:53 2019. Sometime in 1985 |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Oct 20 22:35:12 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by andy on Sun Oct 20 19:09:53 2019. As IRTRedbirdR33 said, the nominal date was May 6, 1986. But some station signs were changed as early as late 1985 (November, I think). They were installed but kept covered even before that (summer of 1985, IIRC). |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Oct 21 02:09:19 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Oct 20 18:31:45 2019. On Sundays pre Chrystie with the R-9s, the consist every day after 6PM and midnights and all day Sun and holidays was 3 cars. Post Chrystie with mostly R-32s on the line the shortest consist was 4 cars. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Oct 21 11:00:55 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Oct 20 18:13:42 2019. In early 1986, the MTA received a $21 million grant to change the letter routes to single characters. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 21 11:17:22 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by randyo on Mon Oct 21 02:09:19 2019. Because post-Chrystie, the AA used Coney Island's equipment off the B train. |
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Posted by BusRider on Mon Oct 21 11:35:07 2019, in response to Subway route letter uses, posted by andy on Sun Oct 20 17:34:23 2019. To piggyback on the original question, does anyone know why K was chosen and not kept the K after it merged with the CC? If I recall, the K came from the Jamaica line days of operation.Thank you for your time. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Oct 21 12:17:27 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by BusRider on Mon Oct 21 11:35:07 2019. Because the K line or the KK line would look too much like the KKK.I am surprized that they ever used it at all, and was so surprised at the time. ROPARINFG |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 21 12:57:43 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Oct 21 12:17:27 2019. They came up with letter designations for the Eastern Division in 1959 with the R27's, though they never ran there until Chrystie in Nov 1967, then would not use "KK" until the Essex Street connection opened in 1969. Until then, it was simply the "14" or the "JJ". |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Oct 21 13:10:27 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Oct 21 11:00:55 2019. That cash allowed them to put new sign curtains into the cars, of which many were defective following vandalism and many years of use. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Oct 21 16:45:30 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 21 11:17:22 2019. Yup.AA and B lines shared a car pool. QB,QJ and RR shared the same pool of R27/30 out of C.I. The A and CC shared it's cars out of 207. LL,M and KK shared the ENY pool, along with most QJ cars that were based there. The A,E and HH shared Pitkins pool. The E,F and GG shared Jamaica cars. F trains are also stored and partially maintained at Ave X yard, with a direct connection to the CI Shops. B/AA, D N shared cars out of Coney island.. with the D line main shop at 205 St. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Oct 21 16:49:58 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Oct 21 12:17:27 2019. Absolutely ridiculous. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Oct 21 17:13:52 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 21 12:57:43 2019. Well,the KK was the "14a" designation for the Canarsie branch (Rockaway Parkway to Canal St).The JJ/14 was the Broadway Brooklyn Short line, Crescent St or Atlantic Ave to Canal St. Later, when Skip stop service began..most morning and evening peak trains went to/from 168th St and Canal. JJ/15 was the Jamaica Local,which ran non peak and J/15 Jamaica Express, peak only. This complex operation was to say in the least, sickening,since you had to keep track of what time of day you were traveling. When the Chrystie St changes took place, it really didn't get much better until the KK became official. The AM and PM peak had confusing travel options due to the QJ/RJ Intergration.. which didn't make sense. Basically, the RJ Should have been the Primary through service... with the QB remaining the Brighton local supplimented by rush hour QJ. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 21 17:15:32 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by Edwards! on Mon Oct 21 16:45:30 2019. For the QB, QJ, and RR, they managed to keep the R16's on the RR almost all the time. About once a week, one got out on the QJ, but I don't think ever on the QB. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 21 17:17:03 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by Edwards! on Mon Oct 21 16:49:58 2019. I don't know about that. Those were very volatile and racially charged times. The slightest conspiracy theory could set people off. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Oct 21 17:18:49 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 21 12:57:43 2019. Well,the KK was the "14a" designation for the Canarsie branch (Rockaway Parkway to Canal St).The JJ/14 was the Broadway Brooklyn Short line, Crescent St or Atlantic Ave to Canal St. Later, when Skip stop service began..most morning and evening peak trains went to/from 168th St and Canal. JJ/15 was the Jamaica Local,which ran non peak and J/15 Jamaica Express, peak only. This complex operation was to say in the least, sickening,since you had to keep track of what time of day you were traveling. When the Chrystie St changes took place, it really didn't get much better until the KK became official. The AM and PM peak had confusing travel options due to the QJ/RJ Intergration.. which didn't make sense. Basically, the RJ Should have been the Primary through service... with the QB remaining the Brighton local supplimented by rush hour QJ service. Today, the Fourth Ave line Still needs that thru Nassau St service due to the deplorable R train situation. It remains to be seen if the MTA will listen to its riders service demands.. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Oct 21 17:22:58 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 21 17:17:03 2019. Yeah..well, those times were ridiculous for obvious reasons.If there was unrest, it was a Reaction to the Status Quo that was Well deserved. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Oct 21 17:34:17 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by Edwards! on Mon Oct 21 17:22:58 2019. Whose status quo are you objecting to? |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 21 17:39:20 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by Edwards! on Mon Oct 21 17:13:52 2019. I don't remember a pre-Chrystie PM rush skip-stop. I think most 14's terminated at Atlantic Av.If the RJ was to be the primary weekday through service, would the 4th Av local need both an RJ and RR all day long ? I lived in Woodhaven in the 1960's. NOBODY knew when the hell the RJ ran. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Oct 21 17:42:14 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Oct 21 17:34:17 2019. The very issues that caused the "civil unrest" of That time.The Status Quo that has peaked it's ugly head up out of it's hole from time to time. You know, the ugly things that separate us as a People United,due to Politics,Race,Class... whatever "ISM" that is used to justify Bullshit. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Oct 21 17:56:44 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 21 17:39:20 2019. Yup..RJ trains ran out of Jamaica VERY EARLY in the morning as the first thru service. It basically covered the "in between time",(last JJ, First QJ) with Six trains an hour Five am to Seven.. didn't make sense at all. The pm served as a go between also..as the crazy scheduling had QJ trains missing from action for a considerable amount of time. The RJ covered that with it's "I can't make up my mind if I going express or local" service until the mysterious QJ shows up again for a last Hour long "where am I going to terminate" game. It was awful. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Oct 21 18:39:44 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 21 17:39:20 2019. Joe" Here's the full "RJ" story form the "Orphans of Chrystie Street" series: Part 1 : The RJ – Fourth Avenue-Nassau Street Line Began service: Monday, November 27, 1967 Ended service: Friday, June 28, 1968 The Route: 168th Street – Jamaica Avenue, Queens 95th Street – 4th Avenue, Brooklyn via the Williamsburg Bridge and the Montague Street Tunnel Distance: 21.81 Miles Running Times: 70 Minutes - express 78 minutes – local Stations: 49 Map Color: Red The RJ was listed on the front of the subway map as a “Special Rush Hour Service” which also included the NX, QB and 5 (Thru-Exp). It was a somewhat arbitrary designation as several other rush hour routes were not included. The service guide stated that the RJ ran during the AM rush northbound and the PM rush southbound as a “local” service. The reverse side of the map contained a strip map with the following information: Trains operate during rush hours Mon-Fri. During the PM rush from 6:20 to 6:55 RJ trains operate express along Broadway Brooklyn. Now how could a train that is listed as running in one direction only on the front of the map suddenly start running in both directions by the time it reached the back of the map? More intriguing, how could a train listed as running as a southbound local on the front of the map run as an express on the reverse side. Especially as it would be running express southbound at the same time that the QJ was running express northbound on the Broadway Brooklyn Line. The Broadway Brooklyn Line is a three track line and the center express track can only be used in one direction at a time. As we shall see the RJ ran in both directions in the rush hour and certain trains did run express on the Broadway Brooklyn Line. SERVICE DURING THE AM RUSH Northbound service: A total of five trains left 95 Street from 7:46 AM to 8:33 AM. The 7:58 and 8:10 departures ran all the way to 168th Street while the other three terminated at Eastern Parkway. These trains made all local stops. Southbound service: A total of five trains left 168th Street from 5:28 AM to 6:19 AM and ran to 95th Street . The first four trains made all local stops while the last one ran express on the Broadway Brooklyn Line from Eastern Parkway to Essex Street. It was the first southbound express of the day on the line. Note that the southbound service from Jamaica filled a service gap between the last JJ departure to Broad Street at 5:13 AM and the first QJ departure to Brighton Beach at 6:29 AM. SERVICE DURING THE PM RUSH Northbound service: Six trains leave 95th Street from 5:37 PM to 6:25 PM and run to 168th Street. The first five ran express from Essex Street to Eastern Parkway with the 6:14 PM departure closing out the day's express service on the Broadway Brooklyn Line . The last departure at 6:25 PM made all local stops. Note that the northbound service fills a 45 minute gap in northbound QJ service. Southbound service: Five trains leave Eastern Parkway and make all stops to 95th Street. There is no southbound PM rush service from 168th Street. The RJ ended service on Friday, June 28, 1968. Its replacement was an RR Nassau Street – Fourth Avenue Local between Chambers Street and 95th Street via the Montague Street Tunnel. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Oct 21 18:39:44 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 21 17:39:20 2019. Joe" Here's the full "RJ" story form the "Orphans of Chrystie Street" series: Part 1 : The RJ – Fourth Avenue-Nassau Street Line Began service: Monday, November 27, 1967 Ended service: Friday, June 28, 1968 The Route: 168th Street – Jamaica Avenue, Queens 95th Street – 4th Avenue, Brooklyn via the Williamsburg Bridge and the Montague Street Tunnel Distance: 21.81 Miles Running Times: 70 Minutes - express 78 minutes – local Stations: 49 Map Color: Red The RJ was listed on the front of the subway map as a “Special Rush Hour Service” which also included the NX, QB and 5 (Thru-Exp). It was a somewhat arbitrary designation as several other rush hour routes were not included. The service guide stated that the RJ ran during the AM rush northbound and the PM rush southbound as a “local” service. The reverse side of the map contained a strip map with the following information: Trains operate during rush hours Mon-Fri. During the PM rush from 6:20 to 6:55 RJ trains operate express along Broadway Brooklyn. Now how could a train that is listed as running in one direction only on the front of the map suddenly start running in both directions by the time it reached the back of the map? More intriguing, how could a train listed as running as a southbound local on the front of the map run as an express on the reverse side. Especially as it would be running express southbound at the same time that the QJ was running express northbound on the Broadway Brooklyn Line. The Broadway Brooklyn Line is a three track line and the center express track can only be used in one direction at a time. As we shall see the RJ ran in both directions in the rush hour and certain trains did run express on the Broadway Brooklyn Line. SERVICE DURING THE AM RUSH Northbound service: A total of five trains left 95 Street from 7:46 AM to 8:33 AM. The 7:58 and 8:10 departures ran all the way to 168th Street while the other three terminated at Eastern Parkway. These trains made all local stops. Southbound service: A total of five trains left 168th Street from 5:28 AM to 6:19 AM and ran to 95th Street . The first four trains made all local stops while the last one ran express on the Broadway Brooklyn Line from Eastern Parkway to Essex Street. It was the first southbound express of the day on the line. Note that the southbound service from Jamaica filled a service gap between the last JJ departure to Broad Street at 5:13 AM and the first QJ departure to Brighton Beach at 6:29 AM. SERVICE DURING THE PM RUSH Northbound service: Six trains leave 95th Street from 5:37 PM to 6:25 PM and run to 168th Street. The first five ran express from Essex Street to Eastern Parkway with the 6:14 PM departure closing out the day's express service on the Broadway Brooklyn Line . The last departure at 6:25 PM made all local stops. Note that the northbound service fills a 45 minute gap in northbound QJ service. Southbound service: Five trains leave Eastern Parkway and make all stops to 95th Street. There is no southbound PM rush service from 168th Street. The RJ ended service on Friday, June 28, 1968. Its replacement was an RR Nassau Street – Fourth Avenue Local between Chambers Street and 95th Street via the Montague Street Tunnel. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Oct 21 19:26:43 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by Edwards! on Mon Oct 21 16:45:30 2019. E and A did not share Pitkin’s cars. At that tine the A was 99% R-10s and the E was a Mix of mostly R-1/9s and R-38s bases in Jamaica Yd. The CC did not use cars from 207 St since at the time the CC was 100% R-1/9s (actually R-1s and R-4s). |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Oct 21 19:50:38 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by randyo on Mon Oct 21 02:09:19 2019. Yep. On the weekends on the GG back then, 3 car trains were the norm. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Oct 21 20:00:29 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Oct 21 11:00:55 2019. Why? The single/double letter system made perfect sense. trains that operate express anywhere along their route were given single letters and trains that were pure local with no express running anywhere at all were given double letters. Single letter lines that ran lcl during off hours would carry the double letter of that line. For example the midnight A service running lcl would be AA and the midnight N service running lcl all the way would be a NN etc. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Oct 21 20:07:03 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Oct 21 18:39:44 2019. Even after the 4 Av/Nassau service was redesignated “RR,” the towers and gap station supervision continued to refer to them as “RJs." |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Oct 21 20:10:29 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by Edwards! on Mon Oct 21 17:18:49 2019. Had the TA opted to implement letter designations for BMT eastern routes without Chrystie, the KK would have been the replacement designation for the former #14 Bway Bkln Lcl. The J/JJ would have been used as the single letter replacement for the 168 to Broad St service and the M of course as the Myrtle/Chambers service. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Oct 21 20:22:29 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Oct 21 18:39:44 2019. Well, thank you for the recap.Knew the RJ service sucked |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Oct 21 21:05:56 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Oct 21 18:39:44 2019. It really didn't have a lot of service... |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Oct 22 04:58:27 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Oct 21 18:39:44 2019. It got crucified along with the NX. April 12 happened to be Good Friday in 1968. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 22 07:10:24 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by randyo on Mon Oct 21 20:10:29 2019. Everyone of them was referred to as "NAssau Street Lcl [or] Express" |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Oct 22 12:56:58 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by randyo on Mon Oct 21 20:00:29 2019. Randy, I'm not defending what they did. I remember when the news was made public, back then. Personally, I thought that $21 million could have bought a 10 car subway train, at that time. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Oct 22 16:03:06 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Oct 22 04:58:27 2019. The NX was a good Idea,but wasn't implimented properly.This 'reverse Brighton Exp' service was basically sabatoged from the onset by folks who thought it was bad planning to begin with. The thing that gets me is,how could there be scheduling conflicts if it was the Dispatch people sending the trains out? Any and Every train is written to a schedule, with a certain amount of time to pass through a section of track,given a Window of time,so why would the NX be such a problem? Was Still well that much of a problem? Or Brighton Beach? Somebody? |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Oct 22 16:45:51 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 22 07:10:24 2019. Correct. That was part of the NYCTA’s “Manhattan centric” attitude that eliminated the Bkln branch names from the Southern Div signs on the R-32s and up. The cesspool of incompetence that passes for TA planning argued that the IRT and IND divisions did not have the branch names on the roll signs so why should the BMT be any different. It was pointed out that the BMT was the only division that had multiple routes going to a common terminal, Coney Island but that didn’t seem to make a difference to the so called TA management. Even including the designation “Bway” on the rollsigns didn’t make any sense since all the souther Div routes with the possible exception of the Sea Beach had service that operated to both Bway and Nassau St. The only correct sign was the “TT/West End Lcl” since it gave only the branch name and not the Manhattan trunk line. Also missing was provision for a single letter “R” for the 4 Av Express or “Bankers’ Special” which continued to operate until Chrystie. The TA’s response was to misuse the letter “M” for both the Brighton and 4 Av Bankers’ Specials. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 22 17:32:12 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by Edwards! on Tue Oct 22 16:03:06 2019. It was bad enough with locals terminating at Brighton Beach and the express D headed to Coney Island. With the NX starting there, it must have added to the chaos. |
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Posted by zac on Wed Oct 23 21:48:44 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Oct 21 18:39:44 2019. So this all sounds like the idea with the RJ was to provide Nassau St service from 4th Avenue. The confusion starts though with how to get the trains to 95th St in the first place, and those are the early morning RJ trains from Jamaica. The reverse is true in the evening. Since those trains are running, the QJ isn't needed at those times, and since the QJ has a yard at the end of the line, it doesn't have the issue of needing trains coming from the opposite direction. The first QJs are put in from CI or BB for northbound.The part that is just confusing though is the gap in service northbound in the evening. They have these extra RJ trains that need to go back to ENY, and they fill the service to Jamaica and return to ENY or run as JJ. In the meantime the QJ isn't needed, but the evening isn't over and it starts up again? How many more runs were there? I lived along the Brighton line almost my entire life in one place or another, and I don't remember this at all. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 24 06:47:14 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by zac on Wed Oct 23 21:48:44 2019. It worked well on paper, but not intuitive to the public.I lived in Woodhaven until 1969. I only remember RJ's northbound, at about 9am and around 7pm. When the PM RJ's reached Jamaica, they deadheaded back to ENY. QJ's were mixed in, despite what the schedule says. Then QJ's were cut to 6 car JJ's and sent back to Broad Street, with a quicky flip of the south signs at 168th Street. Whatever equipment they could stash in the 3rd track sidings they did. Then whenever 8 cars accumulated, that deadheads to ENY as well. RJ's were simply QJ's to people on the Eastern Division, and they were really just the old "15's" with a new name. Few if anyone rode through between Court Street and Marcy Avenue, whether QJ or RJ, turning over their loads in lower Manhattan. I think their real reason for the RJ to exist was to get the R16's out of ENY and onto RR service, which was accomplished within a month after Chrystie went into effect. How far does the tunnel boring extend south of 95th Street/4th Avenue ? Could it be activated to stash a few trains to help overcome the yard issue for the R ? |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Oct 24 07:35:51 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 24 06:47:14 2019. Thanks. In the last days of the Brown M, I think few people rode through from Court to Marcy. But I thought there was nevertheless enough of a crowd coming in to Broad from Brooklyn that rush hour service should have been maintained. Maybe some day, we can get the Brown R or Diamond R restored.. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 24 07:43:04 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by MainR3664 on Thu Oct 24 07:35:51 2019. The day will come that everyone's patience will run out with the R train, and have it truncated to Whitehall. Then the J goes to 95th Street and the W to 36th or 59th Bklyn. Fort Hamilton got very reliable J service every 8 minutes between 9/12 and 10/26 2001. (The world did not crack with the M sent down the Sea Beach either). |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Oct 24 07:55:01 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 24 07:43:04 2019. Hmm, R from Continental to Whitehall? |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Oct 24 09:00:11 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by zac on Wed Oct 23 21:48:44 2019. Zac: It took nearly tens years from ground breaking to the actual opening of the Chrystie Street subway. Yet it would seem that the planning for the new routes was done within the last six months before November 1967. (I exagerate a bit but not much). A flyer was issued listing the new services but neglected to include the "NX". (Was this a Freudian slip or did they know that this train was never going to last). There was clearly inadequate training of operating personnel. The train crews and towerman were unfamiliar with the new routes. Witness the case of a ten car "D" train arriving at the Broadway-Canal Street station which was only eight cars long. Its well to remember that Chrystie Street was a three part play. The first part in November 1967 saw the opening of the 6th Avenue-Manny B connection. The second act was the July 1969 opening of the 6th Avenue-Willy B connection and the extension of the Sixth Avenue line to 57th Street. The third and last part came in August 1969 with the start of express service on the Smith Street and Culver lines and the the re-extension of Brighton Local service to Coney Island. So the period between November 1967 and July 1968 was something of an interim operating period with temporary services, i.e. NX, RJ and TT among others. The "RJ" did replace the Fourth Avenue-Nassau Street (M/S) which had operated prior to November. I do not know why they ran it all the way to Jamaica. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 24 09:09:36 2019, in response to Re: Subway route letter uses, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Oct 24 09:00:11 2019. I think the original plan was to make the RJ full time, kill the 15 and RR, and have the off-peak MM replace the AA.Putting Arnines on the new D train was a colossal mistake. Given their age and condition, they could not handle Manhattan Bridge grades. R32's were stuck behind them. The RJ was also a TT replacement. The QJ was a Brighton-M replacement. Yet TT and QJ ran all day. RJ and M were rush hours. |
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