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Environmental Activists Disrupt London Underground |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Thu Oct 17 16:58:54 2019 Extinction Rebellion |
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Re: Environmental Activists Disrupt London Underground |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Oct 18 01:29:50 2019, in response to Environmental Activists Disrupt London Underground, posted by cortelyounext on Thu Oct 17 16:58:54 2019. The videos were hilarious.1. There was one where everyone was yelling at a woman who glued herself to the train. 2. The protesters getting yanked off the roof of the train within 40 seconds of unfurling their stupid sign:
3. Bonus: everyone watching the footage at a bar:
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Re: Environmental Activists Disrupt London Underground—Passengers Yank Them Off The Trains |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 18 06:12:17 2019, in response to Environmental Activists Disrupt London Underground, posted by cortelyounext on Thu Oct 17 16:58:54 2019. There's the punchline. |
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Re: Environmental Activists Disrupt London Underground |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Oct 18 07:55:50 2019, in response to Environmental Activists Disrupt London Underground, posted by cortelyounext on Thu Oct 17 16:58:54 2019. One would think (as I heard a commuter pointing out) that they would like public transport, especially the electric kind. In any event, Londoners seem to have dealt with them! |
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Re: Extinction Rebellion Disrupts London Underground |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 18 08:29:54 2019, in response to Re: Environmental Activists Disrupt London Underground, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Oct 18 07:55:50 2019. One would think (as I heard a commuter pointing out) that they would like public transport, especially the electric kind.Extinction Rebellion isn't an actual environmental advocacy group. It's a group of idiots LARPing as environmental activists because they want to look like they're doing something about the impending climate catastrophe without actually bothering to do anything. They've actually gotten so bad that Green and Black Cross, an organisation which provides legal support to protestors, has issued a (rare) public statement telling them they're on their own. Apparently, Extinction Rebellion has been giving their members legal tips based on American law, and even developed legal strategies out of what they saw in movies. |
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Re: Environmental Activists Disrupt London Underground |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Oct 18 08:33:28 2019, in response to Re: Environmental Activists Disrupt London Underground, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Oct 18 07:55:50 2019. One would think (as I heard a commuter pointing out) that they would like public transport, especially the electric kind.Exactly. It's incredible. |
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Re: Religious fanatics Disrupt London Underground |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Oct 18 10:16:56 2019, in response to Re: Environmental Activists Disrupt London Underground, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Oct 18 01:29:50 2019. It's difficult to get Twitter videos to play on here. But it's worth my effort.JayzeeBMT spider-pig AIM Edwards! Clearaspect need to take note. |
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Re: Religious fanatics Disrupt London Underground |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Oct 18 12:36:22 2019, in response to Re: Religious fanatics Disrupt London Underground, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Oct 18 10:16:56 2019. Thank you. What was annoying is the embed worked fine in the subchat preview but failed when actually posting. |
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Re: Religious fanatics Disrupt London Underground |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Oct 18 13:38:46 2019, in response to Re: Religious fanatics Disrupt London Underground, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Oct 18 12:36:22 2019. After no one ever comments and noticing that myself, I wonder if Twitter is what strips it after the first view. |
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Re: Extinction Rebellion Disrupts London Underground |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Oct 18 14:43:59 2019, in response to Re: Extinction Rebellion Disrupts London Underground, posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 18 08:29:54 2019. But SOMEBODY must be paying their bills. I mean, these people find ways to travel and eat- while not being meaningfully employed... |
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Re: Extinction Rebellion Disrupts London Underground |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Oct 18 14:56:28 2019, in response to Re: Extinction Rebellion Disrupts London Underground, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Oct 18 14:43:59 2019. How do you know that they aren't meaningfully employed? Some people who work for a living are nuts too. It isn't necessarily the exact same people at each protest.And yes, one or more wealthy people is probably donating to their cause. But probably more for expenses than to actually support the protestors. |
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Re: Religious Fanatics Disrupts London Underground |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Oct 18 18:06:27 2019, in response to Re: Extinction Rebellion Disrupts London Underground, posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 18 08:29:54 2019. Correction. It's a religious group based on fairy tales. |
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Re: Environmental Activists Disrupt London Underground |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Oct 18 18:07:12 2019, in response to Re: Environmental Activists Disrupt London Underground, posted by AlM on Fri Oct 18 08:33:28 2019. Considering that the clothing industry pollutes 400% more than airplanesThe left's picking and choosing isn't surprising nor limited. |
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Re: Extinction Rebellion Disrupts London Underground |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 18 19:42:39 2019, in response to Re: Religious Fanatics Disrupts London Underground, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Oct 18 18:06:27 2019. Correction. It's a religious group based on fairy tales.Your correction is itself incorrect. There's nothing religious about them, and while they likely cast themselves as the heroes of their own narrative, it doesn't quite fit into the fairy tale genre. |
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Re: Extinction Rebellion Disrupts London Underground |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Oct 20 12:09:27 2019, in response to Re: Extinction Rebellion Disrupts London Underground, posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 18 19:42:39 2019. On technical grounds I agree.But the way people in politics and in hollywood (and some here) describe so-called "religion", it looks like they're describing these folks. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Oct 20 21:23:33 2019, in response to Re: Extinction Rebellion Disrupts London Underground, posted by AlM on Fri Oct 18 14:56:28 2019. I work for the State of NY, so I'll agree with your premise that lots of totally insane people are nevertheless employed; many of them are my direct colleagues.But the issue is TIME - a person with a real job or business doesn't have time to travelling around the world disrupting things. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Oct 20 22:26:57 2019, in response to Re: Extinction Rebellion Disrupts London Underground, posted by AlM on Fri Oct 18 14:56:28 2019. These are "professional" agitators, with no real jobs to go to. Responsible people ain't got no time for that bullshit |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 21 03:33:06 2019, in response to Re: Extinction Rebellion Disrupts London Underground, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Oct 20 12:09:27 2019. I haven't kept up to date with how Hollywood describes religion. But I do know there are religious crazies and nonreligious crazies and even some explicitly atheistic crazies. Meanwhile, there are good religious people, good nonreligious people, and good explicit atheists. Religion is kind of a nonfactor in these calculations. |
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Re: Extinction Rebellion Disrupts London Underground |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Oct 21 06:54:48 2019, in response to Re: Extinction Rebellion Disrupts London Underground, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Oct 20 21:23:33 2019. I beg to differ. Years ago, I took part in nonviolent direct action to raise awareness about the killings of gay people in NYC, which that year had risen to a level not seen since the 1960s. We briefly shut Grand Central Terminal down in a "die-in". Among us were professionals, blue-collar workers, and students.Guess what? It worked. People felt it, and the following month, the city finally got serious about investigating and prosecuting the murders of LGBTQ people in the city. Before our little demonstration, cases like Rashawn Brazell, a young gay man killed and dismembered in the Fulton Street subway tunnel (parts of his body were found wrapped in NYCT-issue garbage bags between Nostrand and Kingston-Throop), were all but ignored. It took the NYPD another eleven years to find a suspect, even though the killer left clues everywhere. As Brazell was a "socially unacceptable" victim, the cops didn't assign real resources to his case; there were other, higher-status murders to investigate. My point is, this is how mass protest works. It's how Dr. King killed Jim Crow, and it's how meaningful change is brought about today. People don't respond to social issues until it affects them in some way. In Montgomery, bus revenue plummeted; in NYC, wealthy people missed their trains. In both cases, the desired result was achieved. |
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Re: Extinction Rebellion Disrupts London Underground |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Oct 21 09:28:58 2019, in response to Re: Extinction Rebellion Disrupts London Underground, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Oct 21 06:54:48 2019. The Extinction Rebellion protests differ from your reference in that their demands are not clearly formulated, and to the extent that they are formulated (namely, just reduce economic activity to reduce CO2 production), they are far from being the only way to solve the problem. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Oct 21 11:01:45 2019, in response to Re: Extinction Rebellion Disrupts London Underground, posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 21 03:33:06 2019. They look like the 100 OTchat posts about the Westboro whatever church to me.Can't tell 'em apart. |
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Re: Extinction Rebellion Disrupts London Underground |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 21 22:51:55 2019, in response to Re: Extinction Rebellion Disrupts London Underground, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Oct 21 11:01:45 2019. Extinction Rebellion and Westboro Baptist Church certainly have a few thematic similarities. Both are entirely performative; the goal is not to change society but rather to convince someone that their "real" goal is to change society. It's the superficial motions of protest without the underlying goals, for the purpose of establishing personal reputation as "protestors."Other than that, though, they're different in more ways than just religious/secular; they also differ in the ostensible "goal" they use as a pretext for their fake protests, and they differ in precisely which people they're putting on the performance for. |
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