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Question on CBTC along Queens Blvd Line under construction..

Posted by Chicago44 on Mon Oct 7 20:07:24 2019

When the CBTC along Queens Blvd Line between Union Tpke & 50th St/8th Av is completed, how many more trains in per hour will the E/F/M/R trains will operate?

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Re: Question on CBTC along Queens Blvd Line under construction..

Posted by jrf2 on Tue Oct 8 13:37:24 2019, in response to Question on CBTC along Queens Blvd Line under construction.., posted by Chicago44 on Mon Oct 7 20:07:24 2019.

First of all - let me say I am not an expert.

How can you increase the number of trains per hour when E has to merger with the C on 8th Ave and not cut down the number of C trains? Same situation for the R and W along Broadway. ETC ETC

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Re: Question on CBTC along Queens Blvd Line under construction..

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Oct 8 13:46:03 2019, in response to Re: Question on CBTC along Queens Blvd Line under construction.., posted by jrf2 on Tue Oct 8 13:37:24 2019.

Zero. Once you get into Manhattan you lose all of the gains in Queens

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Re: Question on CBTC along Queens Blvd Line under construction..

Posted by randyo on Tue Oct 8 16:26:09 2019, in response to Re: Question on CBTC along Queens Blvd Line under construction.., posted by Train Dude on Tue Oct 8 13:46:03 2019.

The MTA is just touting increased capacity to justify wasting money on something that really won’t have any impact at all.

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Re: Question on CBTC along Queens Blvd Line under construction..

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Oct 8 17:55:48 2019, in response to Question on CBTC along Queens Blvd Line under construction.., posted by Chicago44 on Mon Oct 7 20:07:24 2019.

For the E/F, minus 4. In the late 1940's, they operated 34 tph.

They had unbalanced merges in Manhattan with the A, BB, CC, and D operating at 15 tph. They were not able to maintain schedules. They went to 11-car E/F's at 15 tph instead.

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Re: Question on CBTC along Queens Blvd Line under construction..

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Oct 8 20:30:50 2019, in response to Re: Question on CBTC along Queens Blvd Line under construction.., posted by randyo on Tue Oct 8 16:26:09 2019.

My point exactly. To further illustrate; Queens Blvd will be the 3rd CBTC installation on NYCT. However, the system on the L line is not compatible with the systems on Queens Blvd or the 7 line. In fact, the 7 line system is incompatible with the Queen's Blvd. system. So the centrized elactronic labs must now stock and maintain materials for 3 unique systems.

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Re: Question on CBTC along Queens Blvd Line under construction..

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Oct 8 21:06:50 2019, in response to Re: Question on CBTC along Queens Blvd Line under construction.., posted by Train Dude on Tue Oct 8 20:30:50 2019.

So the centrized elactronic labs must now stock and maintain materials for 3 unique systems.

That won't happen. The electronics industry changes so fast that none of the equipment will be available in 15 years time.

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Re: Question on CBTC along Queens Blvd Line under construction..

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Oct 8 21:17:56 2019, in response to Re: Question on CBTC along Queens Blvd Line under construction.., posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Oct 8 21:06:50 2019.

On the contrary, NYCT currently stocks relays and other parts for signals that are over 60 years old but your point is a good one

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Re: Question on CBTC along Queens Blvd Line under construction..

Posted by randyo on Wed Oct 9 17:34:09 2019, in response to Re: Question on CBTC along Queens Blvd Line under construction.., posted by Train Dude on Tue Oct 8 20:30:50 2019.

That is the silliest thing that I ever heard of. Despite arguments on the other side, on a system such as NYCTS the entire system should be one universal type of CBTC equipment upgradable when necessary.

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Re: Question on CBTC along Queens Blvd Line under construction..

Posted by G1Ravage on Wed Oct 9 18:04:21 2019, in response to Re: Question on CBTC along Queens Blvd Line under construction.., posted by Train Dude on Tue Oct 8 21:17:56 2019.

Yes, but small mechanical parts for signals and the like are much easier and cost-effective to create on your own than complicated computer-controlled operating solutions, for which Transit will always need outside support.

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