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Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards. |
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Posted by italianguyinsi on Mon Oct 7 22:24:59 2019, in response to R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards., posted by Chicago44 on Mon Oct 7 20:08:38 2019. Any pray tell, why would CI barn be needing R46s? |
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Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards. |
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Posted by Rainman89 on Tue Oct 8 01:57:13 2019, in response to R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards., posted by Chicago44 on Mon Oct 7 20:08:38 2019. The R need R160 to run in queens blvd when CBTC is running, and F have some R46 running, that swap is needed but been delay , i wish i have the answer my guess hopefully by next spring |
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Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Oct 8 02:07:55 2019, in response to Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards., posted by Rainman89 on Tue Oct 8 01:57:13 2019. So when CBTC is up and running, will wayside signals gradually be taken out of service and removed, or kept in operation as emergency backup? |
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Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Oct 8 09:58:32 2019, in response to Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards., posted by Express Rider on Tue Oct 8 02:07:55 2019. They'll need to be kept in place at switches, I believe. |
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Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Oct 8 10:21:33 2019, in response to Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards., posted by italianguyinsi on Mon Oct 7 22:24:59 2019. The foamers have been talking about this for YEARS. It is to get the R46 cars off QBl for CBTC. CI R160's would be reassigned to facilitate CBTC on the E/F/R.By the time it's installed, tested and ready to go. the R211's could be here. Therefore why discuss something that is likely not to be needed? |
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Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards. |
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Posted by R33/r36 mainline on Tue Oct 8 15:00:20 2019, in response to R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards., posted by Chicago44 on Mon Oct 7 20:08:38 2019. Jamaica has gotten more 46s as more and more 179 A trains enter service. |
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Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Oct 8 15:55:54 2019, in response to Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Oct 8 10:21:33 2019. The MTA might want to get all the NTTs to Qns Blvd to get the passengers used to a fleet of 100% 60 ft cars with bowling alley seating even before it becomes an absolute necessity. |
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Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Oct 8 16:07:17 2019, in response to Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards., posted by MainR3664 on Tue Oct 8 09:58:32 2019. In all likelihood some will be kept in place like on the Flushing and 14 St Lines in the event that a non CBTC equipped train has to be rerouted there until such time as either there is only NTT equipment on the entire system or some way can be developed to equip the older cars with CBTC capability. |
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Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Oct 8 16:35:25 2019, in response to Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards., posted by R33/r36 mainline on Tue Oct 8 15:00:20 2019. It may end up that some displaced R-46s will also displace some R-68s and 68As from the Southern Division. Logically it would make the most sense to have the R-46s on lines that have changes of terminals during the course of the day like the B which alternates Bed Pk and 145 as north terminals ot eh N and W which frequently swaps equipment at Ditmars. Eventually, some R-46s will probably return to the A freeing the R-179s to go to Queens. That leaves the R-68s and 68As which would be best on lines that never change terminals like the C, the D and G where they already are, and the Q. As I mentioned in another post, considering the amenities and upgrades the R-46 received during GOH, I wouldn’t be too surprised to see the R-68s go first ahead of the R-46s. |
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Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Oct 8 17:48:16 2019, in response to R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards., posted by Chicago44 on Mon Oct 7 20:08:38 2019. You ALWAYS do this.Post a question in the form of a statement. PLEASE STOP. |
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Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Oct 8 18:22:52 2019, in response to Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards., posted by Edwards! on Tue Oct 8 17:48:16 2019. That looks like a question to me. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Oct 8 18:50:04 2019, in response to Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards., posted by randyo on Tue Oct 8 16:35:25 2019. I'd love that. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Oct 8 19:42:38 2019, in response to Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards., posted by randyo on Tue Oct 8 18:22:52 2019. It does? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Oct 8 20:10:48 2019, in response to R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards., posted by Chicago44 on Mon Oct 7 20:08:38 2019. In fact, it was supposed to take place late September. Will likely be soon but don't look for it to be an mediate swap. Should take several weeks |
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Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Oct 8 20:21:50 2019, in response to R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards., posted by Chicago44 on Mon Oct 7 20:08:38 2019. If you can stand another nit picky point, let me make a small correction. The swap of cars does not involve the yards. In actuality, the cars are assigned to a maintenance shop/facility so the swap is between the (barns) maintenance shops. |
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Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Oct 9 17:07:40 2019, in response to Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards., posted by Edwards! on Tue Oct 8 19:42:38 2019. With the sentence structure and the question mark at the end of the sentence, yes. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Oct 9 17:12:08 2019, in response to Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards., posted by Train Dude on Tue Oct 8 20:10:48 2019. The easiest way to do it would be to bring an R-46 F layup at the end of the PM rush into CIY and replace it with an R-160 for the next day’s service. With the R Line lay up an R-46 to JYd overnight and put it into F service the next day swapping it with an R-160. Since some Rs also lay up to CIYd an R-46 R layup could easily be swapped over for an R-160 either midday or overnight. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Oct 9 17:14:52 2019, in response to Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards., posted by Train Dude on Tue Oct 8 20:21:50 2019. Correct but since CIYd and JYd are both maintenance facilities, the distinction in this case is insignificant. Now if you are talking Fresh Pond Yd that would be different since F/P has no barn or shop. |
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Posted by italianguyinsi on Wed Oct 9 17:36:17 2019, in response to Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Oct 8 10:21:33 2019. Ah. Now at least I understand the logic behind it....but too far into the future to contemplate. Hell, the 46s might be toast by that time anyway. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Oct 9 18:16:30 2019, in response to Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Oct 8 10:21:33 2019. With the track record (pun intended) of many of the railcar manufacturers I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for the R-211s. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Wed Oct 9 21:00:29 2019, in response to Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards., posted by Edwards! on Tue Oct 8 17:48:16 2019. Not worth getting excited about. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Oct 10 00:54:08 2019, in response to Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards., posted by randyo on Wed Oct 9 17:12:08 2019. RTO guys always made these swaps seem so easy. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Oct 10 00:57:26 2019, in response to Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards., posted by randyo on Wed Oct 9 17:14:52 2019. That's why I called it a nit picky point 😁 |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Thu Oct 10 15:56:55 2019, in response to Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards., posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Oct 8 18:50:04 2019. me too!I Hate the 68's. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Oct 10 17:10:46 2019, in response to Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards., posted by rbseabeach on Thu Oct 10 15:56:55 2019. Hahahhaaha! Right on |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Oct 10 19:23:45 2019, in response to Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards., posted by Train Dude on Thu Oct 10 00:54:08 2019. They were if done right. |
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Posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Sat Oct 12 00:33:29 2019, in response to Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards., posted by randyo on Wed Oct 9 18:16:30 2019. As opposed to the track records of CBTC contractors? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Oct 12 09:30:43 2019, in response to Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Oct 8 10:21:33 2019. How many R-46s are still assigned to Jamaica Yard, anyway? |
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Posted by italianguyinsi on Wed Dec 4 21:39:40 2019, in response to Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Oct 12 09:30:43 2019. I believe about 40% of the fleet; balance is Pitkin. |
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Wed Dec 4 21:58:32 2019, in response to Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards., posted by Train Dude on Tue Oct 8 20:21:50 2019. There was a manager who went by (just) David on SubChat who reminded us regularly that cars are assigned to shops, not yards. It’s one detail that seems to slip right through everyone’s minds. |
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Wed Dec 4 22:06:51 2019, in response to Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards., posted by Kevin from Midwood on Wed Dec 4 21:58:32 2019. SubTalk* |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 5 06:54:34 2019, in response to Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards., posted by Kevin from Midwood on Wed Dec 4 21:58:32 2019. Yet, they manage to keep R46's off the E train. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Dec 5 07:32:24 2019, in response to Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards., posted by Kevin from Midwood on Wed Dec 4 21:58:32 2019. I believe that David was an Analyst, not Manager . |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Dec 5 17:22:53 2019, in response to Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards., posted by Train Dude on Thu Dec 5 07:32:24 2019. He could still have been a manager if his title were Principle Transit Management Analyst (PTMA). |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Dec 5 19:09:18 2019, in response to Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards., posted by Kevin from Midwood on Wed Dec 4 21:58:32 2019. Wasn't it David of Broadway that took a job at the MTA? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Dec 5 19:14:04 2019, in response to Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards., posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Dec 5 19:09:18 2019. Yes and I believe that he became an analyst with "Operations Planning" |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Dec 5 19:17:23 2019, in response to Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards., posted by randyo on Thu Dec 5 17:22:53 2019. Likely so but there were at least2 people in the chain of command who were above him in that division. I believe that their titles were Senior Director and Director. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Dec 6 00:46:47 2019, in response to Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards., posted by Train Dude on Thu Dec 5 19:17:23 2019. There are many levels of management in the TA. There used to be Deputy Supt, Supt , and District General Supt. I believe that the Deputy Supt title has been eliminated and the road titles changed to Supt and Supt in Charge while to higher titles remained the same. While there areas of management may differ, they are all still managers of one kind or another. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Fri Dec 6 13:16:48 2019, in response to Re: R46 & R160 swap between Coney Island & Jamaica rail yards., posted by randyo on Fri Dec 6 00:46:47 2019. There are many levels of management in the TA.I recall hearing this from someone explaining the management hierarchy at the bus depot level, and was amazed that there were so many levels. |
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