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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Sep 13 05:12:42 2019 Delayed again |
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Posted by George Foelschow on Fri Sep 13 11:31:44 2019, in response to Central subway delayed -San Francisco, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Sep 13 05:12:42 2019. Modern government, regardless of the city, is unable to complete a project on time and within the budget. I was in San Francisco last week. Stockton Street downtown has been restored, but without trolley coach overhead. The 30 Stockton buses have been running on Stockton, but with poles down. I didn't know they could do that. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Sep 13 11:41:25 2019, in response to Re: Central subway delayed -San Francisco, posted by George Foelschow on Fri Sep 13 11:31:44 2019. I think the newest ETBs have off-wire capability (not sure what they are running now, I just saw on another board that the ETIs have been retired). |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Sep 13 16:19:17 2019, in response to Re: Central subway delayed -San Francisco, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Sep 13 11:41:25 2019. They run on red bug-juice.ROAR |
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Posted by JAFO on Fri Sep 13 21:16:41 2019, in response to Re: Central subway delayed -San Francisco, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Sep 13 16:19:17 2019. that's because orange bug juice is getting too expensive, and harder to find |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Sep 14 04:54:40 2019, in response to Re: Central subway delayed -San Francisco, posted by George Foelschow on Fri Sep 13 11:31:44 2019. Modern North American government. Europe and Asia (and even Australia) seem to have a better grasp of timelines and budget.US & Canada are pretty terrible at it. Notable exception seems to be the DC Metro, which seems to be godly at completing things on time, even if they suck at maintaining it after... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 14 10:44:08 2019, in response to Re: Central subway delayed -San Francisco, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Sep 14 04:54:40 2019. Europe and Asia (and even Australia) seem to have a better grasp of timelines and budgetNo they don't. Wait until their spending catches up to them. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 14 10:44:58 2019, in response to Central subway delayed -San Francisco, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Sep 13 05:12:42 2019. They can't clean up human waste off the street, so how can anyone expect them to build a subway? |
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Posted by The Silence on Sat Sep 14 13:21:04 2019, in response to Re: Central subway delayed -San Francisco, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Sep 14 04:54:40 2019. CoughCrossrailCough |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 14 14:56:31 2019, in response to Re: Central subway delayed—San Francisco, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 14 10:44:58 2019. I see what they do to shit and puke in downtown New Brunswick sidewalks. Building owner dumps sand on it, maybe some bleach. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Sep 14 16:10:02 2019, in response to Re: Central subway delayed—San Francisco, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 14 10:44:08 2019. They’ll just increase taxes. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Sep 14 19:05:23 2019, in response to Re: Central subway delayed -San Francisco, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Sep 14 04:54:40 2019. US & Canada are pretty terrible at it.One of the pet theories that's being floated around is that countries with civil law traditions tend to pay less than countries with common law traditions. Supposedly if one adjusts for GDP, the Indian metro systems being built cost more than the Chinese systems despite India being poorer. OTOH, in Europe, the countries seen as being corrupt (France, Spain, Italy) can somehow build for less than the non-corrupt countries (Netherlands, Germany, Sweden). |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 14 22:07:51 2019, in response to Re: Central subway delayed—San Francisco, posted by randyo on Sat Sep 14 16:10:02 2019. And scare all business away. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 15 05:13:18 2019, in response to Re: Central subway delayed -San Francisco, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Sep 14 19:05:23 2019. I've heard everything from the US and Canada insisting on reinventing the wheel with every project creating needless inefficiency to some aspect of the English language being naturally at odds with working for social good (so England has a less well developed society than France or Spain).But looking for any one cause is simplistic. After all, the US was good at this stuff in the 1950s and terrible today, and Italy can get high speed trains built today but couldn't even run the existing trains in the 1930s. (Which basically just tells us that fascism is inefficient, a fact I think everyone already knows.) Of course there's a deeper insight there— humans have a somewhat unfortunate tendency to be willing to make themselves suffer to hurt the people they hate, and there was a trend of white people in the 1960s tearing down vital infrastructure rather than let black people use it (see: public pools which proliferated until the Civil Rights Act passed only to become rather thin on the ground since then). This phenomenon can be replicated elsewhere (see: Brexit, or "I don't care if it craters the British economy as long as it hurts the Poles worse than me.") But even that's just one piece of the puzzle. I reiterate my earlier claim that looking for a single cause is simplistic. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 15 05:16:00 2019, in response to Re: Central subway delayed—San Francisco, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 14 22:07:51 2019. Yes, because businesses are fleeing China in droves. The Danish live in perpetual poverty, making them consistently ranked among the least happy nations on Earth. Why, I just read about the impending crisis of Australia's sovereign default. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Sep 15 10:14:19 2019, in response to Re: Central subway delayed -San Francisco, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Sep 14 04:54:40 2019. Speaking of maintaining, I think that China is heading for a problem. I think that we've all seen that in many ways it's easier to build infrastructure than it is to maintain it. And we've seen from the Olympics that maintaining infrastructure isn't China's strong suit. Over the last 20 years they've built infrastructure at a rate never before seen in the world and I predict that their roads, bridges, trains, and metro systems will be hurting in 10 years. |
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