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GC-TS Shuttle observations

Posted by gbs on Tue Sep 10 04:31:41 2019


Construction has begun and the middle track is now permanently out of service. There are platform conductors directing riders to either track 1 or track 4 (a pain in the neck at Times Sq). Both trains have only three cars.

The train I rode on track 1 consisted of (E)1921-1922-1925(W). These are former Flushing cars that are coupled, not linked, together. Both end cars have transverse cabs (which is why they're not using 1923 and 1924 as end cars). Being from Flushing, they have illuminated circles and diamonds on their side signs, and the red diamonds were lit. Why?

In fact, why are these cars with the circles and diamonds used on the shuttle at all? They should all be assigned to the #6 where the circles and diamonds are meaningful and helpful. Is it because they're the only non-linked cars around, and can form three-car trains?

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Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Sep 10 06:56:03 2019, in response to GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by gbs on Tue Sep 10 04:31:41 2019.

Both trains have only three cars.

Rush hour should be interesting.

Bill Newkirk


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Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations

Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 10 08:12:27 2019, in response to GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by gbs on Tue Sep 10 04:31:41 2019.

I wouldn't say Tk 3 is "permanently" out of service. It may be back in service soon.

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Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations

Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Sep 10 10:38:26 2019, in response to GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by gbs on Tue Sep 10 04:31:41 2019.

Any indication that the open west end of the TS station is being walled off?

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Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations

Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Sep 10 11:17:50 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Sep 10 10:38:26 2019.

I should certainly hope not, it is too much fun to watch trains from there.

ROAR

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Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations

Posted by AlM on Tue Sep 10 11:28:46 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Sep 10 10:38:26 2019.

I sometimes enter the TSQ station at 43rd and Bway but haven't for a few weeks. I'll look again next time I'm there.



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Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations

Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Sep 10 12:33:25 2019, in response to GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by gbs on Tue Sep 10 04:31:41 2019.




Construction has begun and the middle track is now permanently out of service. There are platform conductors directing riders to either track 1 or track 4 (a pain in the neck at Times Sq). Both trains have only three cars.


If the plan is to use only two tracks they should use them in one direction only, track 1 eastbound and track 4 westbound. This was done after the 1964 fire. The narrow platform on track 4 causes dangerous crowding conditions even when all three tracks are in use.

Larry, RedbirdR33


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Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations

Posted by AlM on Tue Sep 10 12:36:55 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Sep 10 12:33:25 2019.

If the plan is to use only two tracks they should use them in one direction only, track 1 eastbound and track 4 westbound.

Huh?

Now you've got your capacity in half again, having just cut it by a third by closing down track 3.



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Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations

Posted by gbs on Tue Sep 10 15:37:56 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Sep 10 10:38:26 2019.


No, it's still open and you can see the trains passing by. They've screened off the entire track 3 platform and track.

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Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations

Posted by Joe V on Tue Sep 10 17:30:28 2019, in response to GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by gbs on Tue Sep 10 04:31:41 2019.

Is it impossible to platform 4-car trains on the 2 remaining tracks at both ends of the line ?

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Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations

Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Sep 10 17:37:26 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by Joe V on Tue Sep 10 17:30:28 2019.




Is it impossible to platform 4-car trains on the 2 remaining tracks at both ends of the line ?

You could not do this at the Times Square end because of the length of the platforms and the gap-fillers.

Larry, RedbirdR33

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Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations

Posted by R42ToMoffat on Tue Sep 10 17:49:19 2019, in response to GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by gbs on Tue Sep 10 04:31:41 2019.

I still don’t get why they can’t make a huge wall of glass that’ll let you view the IRT Broadway-7th Avenue Line...

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Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations

Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Sep 10 17:52:39 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Sep 10 11:17:50 2019.

Not only that, but there’s a lot of history at that track merge. It shows the original 1904 alignment of the IRT. You can clearly see how the locals and expresses passed through the station en route uptown. It’s living history.

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Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations

Posted by AlM on Tue Sep 10 18:14:06 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Sep 10 10:38:26 2019.

I took a look. So far, nothing has changed at the far western end, west of the platforms. But eventually that is all supposed to get closed off.



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Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations

Posted by Joe V on Tue Sep 10 18:23:53 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by AlM on Tue Sep 10 18:14:06 2019.

I suppose much like the LIRR Atlantic Terminal. Nobody could tell on the LIRR side anymore than one of the trackways punched through to the subway.

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Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 10 18:40:16 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by R42ToMoffat on Tue Sep 10 17:49:19 2019.

Wouldn't stay clean due to subway grime/steel dust in the air.

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Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations

Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 10 18:59:51 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by Joe V on Tue Sep 10 18:23:53 2019.

No, not like that. You'll still be able to tell.

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Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations

Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 10 19:01:01 2019, in response to SubChat/BusChat/OTChat

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