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Criminal vs. Unruly Train Behavior

Posted by Greg_UWS on Fri Jul 19 23:17:12 2019

The thread on assaults of MTA employees got me thinking....

Physical assaults on employees or passengers are felonious. Perps must be identified and arrested.

Problem is-- so many of these perps have other "issues," i.e., serious psych problems (I work in the field so I know a schizo when I see one), addiction problems or both. If these same perps are not engaging in behavior that presents an immediate danger to themselves or others, they're often disruptive (incoherent screaming, smoking, strewing personal items or trash everywhere, holding doors open, etc) or creating unsanitary conditions (urinating, defecating). As posted in another link, they're also responsible for train delays (waiting for police to remove them, wandering on the tracks. My favorite announcement in recent months was from the driver who said we were holding to wait for the police to remove a passenger "committing a lewd act in the 2nd car." OMG!)

So-- the mental status of the perps determines whether they are criminally liable or not.

Then there's the "unruly and annoying" category. No, I do not want a performance during "show time." No, I'm not buying candy to support a basketball team (yea, right), and no I don't want to hear anyone's poetry or excerpts from his unpublished novel. And I most certainly don't want to be preached at by a well-meaning but annoying holy roller ("You know the destination of this train but what is the destination of your soul?")

How much of this criminal, unruly or annoying behavior is just part and parcel of living in a big city? And how much of it can we hope will not be tolerated? I really, really, really just want to be left alone on the trains.

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Re: Criminal vs. Unruly Train Behavior

Posted by Nilet on Sat Jul 20 00:06:02 2019, in response to Criminal vs. Unruly Train Behavior, posted by Greg_UWS on Fri Jul 19 23:17:12 2019.

How much of this criminal, unruly or annoying behavior is just part and parcel of living in a big city?

Well, let's see.

ActivityIllegalP&P of City
incoherent screaming ✓
smoking on subway✓✓
strewing personal items or trash✓✓
holding doors open ✓
urinating, defecating in subway cars✓ 
"show time" performance ✓
"basketball team" candy sales ✓
poetry or novel excerpts ✓
holy roller preaching ✓


Does that help?

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Re: Criminal vs. Unruly Train Behavior?

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 20 02:45:32 2019, in response to Criminal vs. Unruly Train Behavior, posted by Greg_UWS on Fri Jul 19 23:17:12 2019.

the mental status of the perps determines whether they are criminally liable or not

You admit they are "perps" but fall for the left-wing "mental status" trick.

How much of this criminal, unruly or annoying behavior is just part and parcel of living in a big city?

None of it. The more you tolerate, the more happens. You call "unruly" behavior legal and that's a slippery slope.

Better think a little more deeply next time.

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Re: Criminal vs. Unruly Train Behavior

Posted by AlM on Sat Jul 20 05:47:38 2019, in response to Re: Criminal vs. Unruly Train Behavior, posted by Nilet on Sat Jul 20 00:06:02 2019.

Holding doors open is illegal.

I think soliciting money (show time and basketball team) is too.

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Re: Criminal vs. Unruly Train Behavior?

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 20 10:12:07 2019, in response to Re: Criminal vs. Unruly Train Behavior?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 20 02:45:32 2019.

LOL!

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Re: Criminal vs. Unruly Train Behavior?

Posted by Greg_UWS on Sat Jul 20 10:25:44 2019, in response to Re: Criminal vs. Unruly Train Behavior?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 20 02:45:32 2019.

Mental illness is a "left wing trick"? Wow.

Ah, the good old days of the Spanish Inquisition. LOL.

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Re: Criminal vs. Unruly Train Behavior?

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 20 12:16:14 2019, in response to Re: Criminal vs. Unruly Train Behavior?, posted by Greg_UWS on Sat Jul 20 10:25:44 2019.

Have you not noticed the Ology of Terror? That is not a reasonable person.

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Re: Criminal vs. Unruly Train Behavior

Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Jul 21 04:27:56 2019, in response to Re: Criminal vs. Unruly Train Behavior, posted by AlM on Sat Jul 20 05:47:38 2019.

Probably true, but I sometimes buy candy (well, cookies actually) from those guys anyway. And there's at least one who openly announces "No, the money's not for any basketball team, it's for myself." I think more than one.

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Re: Criminal vs. Unruly Train Behavior?

Posted by Greg_UWS on Sun Jul 21 20:57:53 2019, in response to Re: Criminal vs. Unruly Train Behavior?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 20 12:16:14 2019.

No, I hadn't noticed.

To be critical is one thing. To be condescending is another. To combine both of these traits in a single post-- and a single person-- well, I know all I need to.

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Re: Criminal vs. Unruly Train Behavior

Posted by jimmymc25 on Sun Jul 21 21:58:35 2019, in response to Criminal vs. Unruly Train Behavior, posted by Greg_UWS on Fri Jul 19 23:17:12 2019.

I really agree with that last sentence. I'm sure lots of other folks agree as well.

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Re: Criminal vs. Unruly Train Behavior

Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Mon Jul 22 05:05:52 2019, in response to Re: Criminal vs. Unruly Train Behavior, posted by Nilet on Sat Jul 20 00:06:02 2019.

Preaching is freedom of speech but the courts have found the preache has to keep moving. This was a case on the Staten Island Ferry and the cop on board enforces that.
Kinda hard to do that sitting on the Manhattan bridge in a subway car with locked end doors.

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Re: Criminal vs. Unruly Train Behavior

Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Jul 22 10:00:38 2019, in response to Re: Criminal vs. Unruly Train Behavior, posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Jul 21 04:27:56 2019.

Basketball is a national business scam too.
A company that sells magazines door to door in lower-income neighborhoods (and charge like 50 bucks too) uses a bs story that it's to fundraise for basketball trips. Also claim it's a tax write-off too, which it ain't, and no one in that income bracket is claiming it.

Why do people get away with so much crap.

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