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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri Jul 5 07:03:59 2019, in response to Straw hats and cobble stones, posted by Avid Reader on Fri Jul 5 06:54:21 2019. looks like a kid is operating the train. |
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Posted by chud1 on Fri Jul 5 07:17:35 2019, in response to Straw hats and cobble stones, posted by Avid Reader on Fri Jul 5 06:54:21 2019. 5 drooling stars out of 5 drooling stars for this picture.chud1. :)..... |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jul 5 09:47:15 2019, in response to Straw hats and cobble stones, posted by Avid Reader on Fri Jul 5 06:54:21 2019. A 2-car bay Ridge local with an apprentice motorman, Tunnelrat, at the contralos! |
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Posted by Dave on Fri Jul 5 10:24:48 2019, in response to Straw hats and cobble stones, posted by Avid Reader on Fri Jul 5 06:54:21 2019. Oh, for a Way-Back machine...just for one day! |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri Jul 5 11:10:50 2019, in response to Re: Straw hats and cobble stones, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jul 5 09:47:15 2019. its tunnelrats 75th boithday 2-morrow.don`t send me bullshit congrads,SEND ME MONEY,LOTS OF IT!!! |
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Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Fri Jul 5 11:33:50 2019, in response to Re: Straw hats and cobble stones, posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri Jul 5 11:10:50 2019. It's also my brother's 50th tomorrow. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jul 5 13:12:11 2019, in response to Straw hats and cobble stones, posted by Avid Reader on Fri Jul 5 06:54:21 2019. Nice picture. Thanks for sharing. That Atlantic Ave station entrance reminds me of the 72nd St West Side IRT station entrance. Wonder if the archetects were the same? |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Jul 5 13:43:19 2019, in response to Re: Straw hats and cobble stones, posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri Jul 5 11:10:50 2019. its tunnelrats 75th boithday 2-morrow.don`t send me bullshit congrads,SEND ME MONEY,LOTS OF IT!!! ONLY 75? That's a whooper if I ever heard one. There will be so many candles on your cake that the fire marshall will have to light it. Nevertheless have a Happy Birthday. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jul 5 15:16:06 2019, in response to Re: Straw hats and cobble stones, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jul 5 13:12:11 2019. The architects may have been the same since they were designed about the same time although the Bkln one was a few years later. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Fri Jul 5 17:30:21 2019, in response to Re: Straw hats and cobble stones, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jul 5 13:12:11 2019. Bowling Green is also quite similar, though smaller. Even if not the same architect, there was clearly a common design for the headhouses of the Contract 1/2 IRT stations. |
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Posted by Asgard on Fri Jul 5 21:29:32 2019, in response to Re: Straw hats and cobble stones, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jul 5 13:12:11 2019. Probably Heins & LaFarge |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat Jul 6 00:13:53 2019, in response to Re: Straw hats and cobble stones, posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri Jul 5 11:10:50 2019. he ain't scared of no batsway underground goes old tunnelrat if there's ever been any hidden tunnel chambers tunnelrat will find those subway remainders! on beyond the last homeball behind that great-wall-of-china thick cinderblock wall down deep in subway mysterys' hallowed halls tunnelrat will find 76th St. once and for all!! Happy Birthday and best wishes!! -Express Rider and sometime...... maybe a washington or a lincoln...... |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat Jul 6 00:25:14 2019, in response to Re: Straw hats and cobble stones, posted by Express Rider on Sat Jul 6 00:13:53 2019. And when you find itthe spirits of Rogoff and George Horn will descend, and give tunnelrat a pat on the shoulder and say 'young man' you've distinguished yourself and are one year older.... - once again, best wishes, Express Rider |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Jul 6 04:05:38 2019, in response to Re: Straw hats and cobble stones - part 2, posted by Express Rider on Sat Jul 6 00:25:14 2019. thank you ED.i,m off to spend a weekend on rails.1st is the Essex steam engine-n- riverboat ride,then a great dinner at the chowderpot.sunday is a day at Branford a -trolley.-ing very well put/ |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat Jul 6 04:54:02 2019, in response to Re: Straw hats and cobble stones - part 2, posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Jul 6 04:05:38 2019. Rnjoy the weekend!Best Wishes once again! Ed :) |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jul 6 16:18:42 2019, in response to Re: Straw hats and cobble stones, posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri Jul 5 11:10:50 2019. So, you are 4 months and 4 years older that me? Ha-ha-ha!!! |
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Posted by The Silence on Sat Jul 6 17:39:26 2019, in response to Re: Straw hats and cobble stones, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jul 5 13:12:11 2019. There's only a four year difference between the opening of the two stations, I would assume it was still the original architects… |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat Jul 6 20:18:11 2019, in response to Re: Straw hats and cobble stones, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jul 5 13:12:11 2019. Heins & LaFarge did design the Atlantic Avenue station headhouse in addition to the ones at Bowling Green and 72nd St. and Broadway. further info. found at the URL's below:https://www.brownstoner.com/architecture/building-of-the-296/ https://nationalregisterofhistoricplaces.com/NY/Kings/state.html Atlantic Avenue Control House (added 1980 - - #80002643) Flatbush and Atlantic Aves. , New York Historic Significance: Event, Architecture/Engineering Architect, builder, or engineer: Heins & LaFarge wiki article for Bowling Green station: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowling_Green_station At the south end of the station is the original head house, known as the Bowling Green IRT Control House ... on the west side of State Street south of Broadway. This subway entrance was designed by Heins & LaFarge and built in 1905 ... with its twin, the old control house for the 72nd Street station |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat Jul 6 20:28:56 2019, in response to Re: Straw hats and cobble stones, posted by Express Rider on Sat Jul 6 20:18:11 2019. the 72nd st. material was from the next paragraph - inclusion here was to cite it's design by Heins & LaFarge - not meant that it was built in 1905, since obviously it opened in 1904 with the rest of the first subway. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sun Jul 7 04:29:41 2019, in response to Straw hats and cobble stones, posted by Avid Reader on Fri Jul 5 06:54:21 2019. This photo was of a sentimental value for me only because of the connection to its date and that of my Dad.However the commentary has enriched its value, for that I thank all of you who have shared your information. |
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Posted by qveensboro_plaza on Sun Jul 7 08:16:23 2019, in response to Re: Straw hats and cobble stones, posted by Express Rider on Sat Jul 6 20:18:11 2019. Heins & LaFarge did design the Atlantic Avenue station headhouse in addition to the ones at Bowling Green and 72nd St. and Broadway.Unfortunately, their smaller but still beautifully detailed cousins at 103 and 116 did not survive the 1960s:   |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Sun Jul 7 10:44:08 2019, in response to Re: Straw hats and cobble stones, posted by Avid Reader on Sun Jul 7 04:29:41 2019. Well I turned 75 on June 20th so I'm in the same league as many old farts heh. Karl |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Jul 7 13:40:53 2019, in response to Straw hats and cobble stones, posted by Avid Reader on Fri Jul 5 06:54:21 2019. AWESOME!! |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sun Jul 7 17:00:03 2019, in response to Re: Straw hats and cobble stones, posted by qveensboro_plaza on Sun Jul 7 08:16:23 2019. I remember 116th St. headhouse from the very early 1960s.Another instance of NYC's history being demolished. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jul 7 17:09:25 2019, in response to Re: Straw hats and cobble stones, posted by Express Rider on Sat Jul 6 20:18:11 2019. Thanks for the trouble of researching that! |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jul 8 09:43:13 2019, in response to Re: Straw hats and cobble stones, posted by Express Rider on Sat Jul 6 20:18:11 2019. Speaking of the Bowling Green headhouse, I thought this would be a good time to ask about this standard IRT kiosk that was once located proximate to it- at an angle, almost at the curb of State Street. See this pic from nycsubway.org..(sorry for the lack of linking)https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?4921 In fact, the spot where it stood is, to this very day, plainly visible by a change in the concrete. Does anyone know if it lasted (if not the actual kiosk, at least an entry/exit) until the 1970s renovation? I tend to doubt it- the concrete patch looks even older than the sidewalk surrounding it! And, however long it lasted, what part of the station did it provide ingress to and/or egress from? Thanks |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Jul 8 21:16:06 2019, in response to Re: Straw hats and cobble stones, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jul 8 09:43:13 2019. Have you checked it out from inside the station? Maybe there is blocked off part of the mezzanine, or a platform stairway that no longer exists? |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jul 9 02:46:10 2019, in response to Re: Straw hats and cobble stones, posted by 3-9 on Mon Jul 8 21:16:06 2019. I'll try to go over and take a look- but- I doubt there are any interior signs of it. I think it's right above what is now the ceiling over the Brooklyn-bound platform (formerly bi-directional). But since that ceiling looks to be false, it's possible that's something's visible if I could access the crawl space between the false ceiling and the sidewalk. Of course, not only would gaining such access be illegal, it would be massively grungy!I'd guess there was once a staircase from the kiosk to the platform-maybe it provided for a rapid exit? I'm sure that platform was very crowded when it served both directions. But I was hoping someone on here had the full story behind this structure.. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Jul 9 22:30:58 2019, in response to Re: Straw hats and cobble stones, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jul 7 17:09:25 2019. You're welcome!Not too difficult - took a little Googling, but not too much. Interesting how sometimes, for the first few hits you get for something, a number of the background details are mentioned, but not the one you want confirmation for. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Wed Jul 10 03:34:18 2019, in response to Re: Straw hats and cobble stones, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jul 8 09:43:13 2019. Hello MainR3664 -You are correct in thinking that this abandoned stairway is above the ceiling of the Brooklyn bound platform - the original island platform opened yes, today, 114 years ago! I found this in the wiki article for Bowling Green station: "The station was originally built with a single island platform; a station head house at the south end, in Battery Park; and a secondary entrance at the northern end of the platform, adjacent to Bowling Green Park." - so the secondary entrance would have been the kiosk's location. This also means that the fare control area at the bottom of the staircase was probably pretty narrow. Can anyone here, who used or rode through Bowling Green station, back in the day, share any memories about this secondary entrance to the island platform and its fare control area? Also about when was this entrance closed? In addition there were two footnotes of historic interest: #6 - "SUBWAY TRAINS RUNNING FROM BRONX TO BATTERY; West Farms and South Ferry Stations Open at Midnight. START WITHOUT A HITCH Bowling Green Station Also Opened -- Lenox Avenue Locals Take City Hall Loop Hereafter" (PDF). This July 10, 1905 NY Times article, reports on the opening of the subway to the Bronx (West Farms) and to South Ferry. There are interesting descriptions of IRT local services in 1905 as well as those of the express. #9 "Architectural Designs For New York's First Subway", by David J. Framberger. Survey Number HAER NY-122, pp. 365-412. National Park Service Department of the Interior Washington, DC. 20240. Retrieved 26 December 2010. Reprinted at nycsubway.org. A long article disucssing the title. It looks like there's Lots of good info here. It includes the excerpt below about the original kiosks: The entrance and exits of many other stations were covered by kiosks. These highly ornate constructions in cast iron and glass ware inspired by similar structures of the Budapest underground railway, which Parsons presumably saw during his European visit.47 The final design was executed by Heins and LaFarge, but it is so similar to the Budapest model that it cannot be considered their own idea. One hundred thirty-three kiosks were manufactured by the Hecla Iron Works, Brooklyn, in four standard lengths of 17'2", 19', 21'8", and 25', and widths varying from 4'3" and larger.48 The roof designs differed so as to designate them as exits or entrances. The entrance kiosk featured a domed roof with leaf-like shingles of cast iron, while the exit was topped by a four-sided peaked skylight of one-quarter inch wire glass. ... Although the kiosks became almost trademarks of the IRT company-- they adorn the cover of the 1904 publication, Interborough Rapid Transit (a.k.a. The New York Subway)-- they were not highly successful additions to the streetscape of New York city. The targets of vandals and advertisers besides being impediments to traffic, the kiosks were gradually removed and not one [of the originals] exists today.* *IIRC (?) the article was written/pub'd. in about 1979. Years before the replica kiosk installed at Astor Place. IMHO, they should install a few more kiosk replicas at original locations. And yes, they do add to the NYC streetscape. And as for being impediments to traffic (vision), all those SUV's etc. on the streets impede vision much more. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Jul 10 21:16:57 2019, in response to Re: Straw hats and cobble stones, posted by Express Rider on Wed Jul 10 03:34:18 2019. They add to the streetscape, but if the Astor Place kiosk is any indication, the same problems exist - when they aren't properly maintained, they can look grungy. Plus, they don't invite the high tech amenities and ads that the new "kiosks" provide, like the one(s) for the 57th St/6th Ave station. That's the one thing I appreciate of the '60s/'70s style entrance (like Grand St and 57th/6th originally) - they were simple, clean designs. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Jul 10 21:20:34 2019, in response to Re: Straw hats and cobble stones, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jul 5 13:12:11 2019. It's a pity that the Atlantic Ave headhouse could not be put to some kind of use - it's just a mostly empty shell. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Wed Jul 10 23:24:13 2019, in response to Re: Straw hats and cobble stones, posted by 3-9 on Wed Jul 10 21:16:57 2019. True. I haven't seen the Astor Place kiosk in awhile, so I don't know it's cleanliness condition.Just thought of this, in further agreement about the original kiosks adding to the streetscape, early in the 20th ct. and probably up until their dismantling, the original kiosks were identified with NY and the subway, most likely similar to the way in which Paris's Art Nouveau Metro entrances, are still, not only seen as synonomous with the subway, but an urban icon/ symbol (ok, not the most appropriate word here) of Paris. Unfortunately, the fancy covered Metro entrances (especially at Bastille, comparable to a mini-Penn station travesty; you'd think the French like other European countries with a sense of heritage preservation, would have left it in place and restored it) were all dismantled, except at Porte Dauphine. I think I read somewhere, that a replica of an original covered Art Nouv. entrance was constructed at one of the "downtown" Paris stations. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jul 14 19:10:16 2019, in response to Re: Straw hats and cobble stones, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jul 8 09:43:13 2019. AFAIK, Contract II stations (those S/O Bkln Br) did not have actual kiosks, but had a partial covering over the entrance in sort of a fish scale design. One of them can still be seen on Joralemon St across from the Bkln Municipal Bldg. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jul 15 02:53:49 2019, in response to Re: Straw hats and cobble stones, posted by randyo on Sun Jul 14 19:10:16 2019. June 1979  
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jul 15 03:13:46 2019, in response to Re: Straw hats and cobble stones, posted by randyo on Sun Jul 14 19:10:16 2019. What you describe (may be a replica) can be seen on the Brooklyn-bound side at Wall Street (4 and 5 trains) |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jul 15 03:22:15 2019, in response to Re: Straw hats and cobble stones, posted by Express Rider on Wed Jul 10 03:34:18 2019. Thanks!! But I tend to doubt that small kiosk lasted much, if at all, into the post WW2 era- like you say, the far control must've been very small. I'm thinking maybe it was an exit only- even if the Wikipedia article says otherwise...Or, if ingress was allowed there, maybe the original builders didn't think many people would want to go uptown from that spot- they may have imagined that most uptown riders would have already boarded in Brooklyn or at South Ferry. Yes, I realize it was a bi-directional platform, but as the stairs would've been at the north end, it was probably targeted towards uptown riders. I have an unlimited ride card this week. Maybe I'll go in there and see if anything's visible inside the station. But I doubt it. |
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Posted by VictorM on Mon Jul 15 03:59:20 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: Straw hats and cobble stones, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jul 15 02:53:49 2019. Here's a recent nearby one: |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Jul 15 14:03:33 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Straw hats and cobble stones, posted by VictorM on Mon Jul 15 03:59:20 2019. And of course, there is the similar one on lower Broadway in Manhattan, near Trinity Church:here |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jul 15 15:00:11 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Straw hats and cobble stones, posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Jul 15 14:03:33 2019.  
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Jul 15 16:11:18 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: Straw hats and cobble stones, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jul 15 15:00:11 2019. Wonderful photos!I looked up the date, and July 14, 1906 was a Saturday. That probably accounts for light pedestrian traffic. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jul 16 12:45:42 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: Straw hats and cobble stones, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jul 15 02:53:49 2019. Those are the ones. |
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