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Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd.

Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jul 3 11:04:21 2019

Service on the BRT Broadway Ferry spur, between Marcy Ave and Broadway Ferry, officially ended at 12:01AM, July 3rd, 1916. Most non-rush hour service had been provided by single enclosed car #998. Two 3-car trains of gate cars provided rush hour service. Despite calls for el shuttle restoration and complaints of inadequate trolley service to Broadway Ferry, the tracks remained out of service, except for gate car layups, until 1927. Since it carried power cables from the Kent Ave Powerhouse, the elevated structure remained in place until demolition began on May 5th, 1941 by Harris Structural Steel.

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Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd.

Posted by SLRT on Wed Jul 3 14:42:05 2019, in response to Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd., posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jul 3 11:04:21 2019.

Of course, 998 was the BRT's only attempt at a steel BU, though it wasn't a gate car.

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[PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd.

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 3 14:51:38 2019, in response to Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd., posted by SLRT on Wed Jul 3 14:42:05 2019.

#998 - Coney Island yard (October 3, 1947)
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#998 interior (circa 1909)
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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd.

Posted by SLRT on Wed Jul 3 14:55:15 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd., posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 3 14:51:38 2019.

That would have been a prize for the Transit Museum.

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Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd.

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 3 15:14:15 2019, in response to Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd., posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jul 3 11:04:21 2019.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd.

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 3 15:15:15 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd., posted by SLRT on Wed Jul 3 14:55:15 2019.

That would have been a prize for the Transit Museum.

I agree, a one of a kind car.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd.

Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jul 3 16:10:40 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd., posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 3 14:51:38 2019.

One of the reasons that the BRT passed on ordering more cars like #998 was that the end doors were too narrow.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd.

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Jul 3 16:20:46 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd., posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 3 14:51:38 2019.

nice !

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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd.

Posted by Express Rider on Wed Jul 3 23:59:04 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd., posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 3 14:51:38 2019.

Thank you for posting these photos! Never seen an interior photo of this car that I remember.

I wonder if #998 was originally built with a full width anti-climber - it was made by Pressed Steel, who also built the Hedley's, which had a full-width anti-climber.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd.

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jul 4 01:51:28 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd., posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jul 3 16:10:40 2019.

One of the reasons that the BRT passed on ordering more cars like #998 was that the end doors were too narrow.

I guess a center door would have helped. Were those doors opened manually ?

Also, I see an H2 coupler on the top photo. I would assume it was delivered with a link and pin coupler.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd.

Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jul 4 03:34:35 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd., posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 3 14:51:38 2019.

Isn't that nice. They still sold LION milk back in those days. Puts hair on your mane it does.

ROAR

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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd.

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jul 4 04:54:22 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd., posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jul 4 03:34:35 2019.

Isn't that nice. They still sold LION milk back in those days. Puts hair on your mane it does.

ROAR


Speaking of hair, when you comb your beard, does that create static electricity ?

Roar ?

Bill Newkirk

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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd.

Posted by SLRT on Thu Jul 4 07:00:11 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd., posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jul 4 01:51:28 2019.

I don't know that 998 ever MU'd in passenger service. Like Bluebird 8000.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd.

Posted by SLRT on Thu Jul 4 07:01:42 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd., posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jul 4 04:54:22 2019.

I think you've discovered a new source of renewable energy.

CAW!

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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd.

Posted by SLRT on Thu Jul 4 07:04:00 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd., posted by Express Rider on Wed Jul 3 23:59:04 2019.

Pressed Steel also built the steel frames for the 1200 and 1400 BU semi-convertibles.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd.

Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jul 4 08:48:29 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd., posted by SLRT on Thu Jul 4 07:04:00 2019.

I mentioned about the narrow vestibule doors on #998 as one reason that more were not ordered.. Another factor might have been that the vestibule car looked too much like its IRT competitor! The Standards, "C" cars, Triplexes, and others had their doors more evenly placed, unlike the IRT, prior to their 1939 Worlds Fair cars.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd.

Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jul 4 08:59:24 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd., posted by SLRT on Thu Jul 4 07:00:11 2019.

It could operate by itself or coupled to a gate car. That's why the BRT ordered one to try out. Don't know if that door was manually operated, though.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd.

Posted by randyo on Thu Jul 4 10:04:44 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd., posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jul 3 16:10:40 2019.

Actually, at the time 998 was built, that was state of the art for rapid transit design. However, at the time standard railroad coaches were being built to larger dimensions which the new dual contract subways were being built to accommodate. With this in mind, rather that restrict itself to the standard sized car of the period as used by the H&M and IRT, the opted to design what it perceived to be the largest car that would fit into its new subways hence the 67 ft steel. Had the BRT opted to remain with the smaller 998 sized, car the shape of NYs transit system might have been a bit different. It certainly would have made joint operation of the Astoria and Flushing lines a lot easier.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd.

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jul 4 10:43:28 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd., posted by randyo on Thu Jul 4 10:04:44 2019.

So was #998 the first el car or subway car........or both ?

Bill Newkirk

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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd.

Posted by Express Rider on Thu Jul 4 13:52:55 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd., posted by SLRT on Thu Jul 4 07:04:00 2019.

Thank you for posting this info!

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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd.

Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jul 4 17:01:24 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd., posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jul 4 10:43:28 2019.

Depends, if it ever ran to Delancey/Essex subway stop!

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Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd.

Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Jul 4 19:07:38 2019, in response to Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd., posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 3 15:14:15 2019.

Is there any pictures of Driggs Ave station?

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Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd.

Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Jul 5 02:49:13 2019, in response to Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd., posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 3 15:14:15 2019.

AWESOME!!! Thank You.

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Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd.

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jul 5 02:55:05 2019, in response to Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd., posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Jul 4 19:07:38 2019.

Is there any pictures of Driggs Ave station?

There may be, somewhere. But none in my collection.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd.

Posted by Avid Reader on Fri Jul 5 06:34:40 2019, in response to Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd., posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jul 5 02:55:05 2019.

Still looking, but no cigar.



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Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd.

Posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri Jul 5 06:49:10 2019, in response to Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd., posted by Avid Reader on Fri Jul 5 06:34:40 2019.

really impress me by showing a photo of lirr`s MP41`s crossing the bridge.

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Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd.

Posted by Avid Reader on Fri Jul 5 06:49:54 2019, in response to Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd., posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 3 15:14:15 2019.

No cigar







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Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd.

Posted by Avid Reader on Fri Jul 5 07:44:52 2019, in response to Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd., posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri Jul 5 06:49:10 2019.

Really impress me by showing a photo of wolfing down a plate of perogies!

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Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd.

Posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri Jul 5 07:51:42 2019, in response to Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd., posted by Avid Reader on Fri Jul 5 07:44:52 2019.

ONLY ONE? CHILDS PLAY!

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Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd.

Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jul 5 09:44:26 2019, in response to Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd., posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Jul 4 19:07:38 2019.

Dave posted one back in 2014. He might still have it in his collections!

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Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd.

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jul 5 10:22:54 2019, in response to Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd., posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 3 15:14:15 2019.

Must be a pre-1916 photo before the el was rebuilt.

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Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd.

Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jul 5 10:42:51 2019, in response to Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jul 5 10:22:54 2019.

This 1910 photo is on the back page of, THE TRACKS OF NEW YORK, Number 2. The center turnback track for the B'way Ferry shuttle, over Keap Street, had to be removed for the express track in 1916. Keeping the shuttle would have caused potential problems at Marcy Ave with all of the trains crossing the WillyB.


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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd.

Posted by Mr RT on Wed Jul 10 11:59:47 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd., posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 3 15:15:15 2019.

999 at Branford !

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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd.

Posted by SLRT on Thu Jul 11 05:09:59 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd., posted by Mr RT on Wed Jul 10 11:59:47 2019.

True!

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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd.

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jul 11 11:24:04 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd., posted by Mr RT on Wed Jul 10 11:59:47 2019.

999 at Branford !
#999 years before Branford
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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd.

Posted by Express Rider on Thu Jul 11 20:06:46 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd., posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jul 11 11:24:04 2019.

Nice photos - thanks for posting.
Anyone have any ideas about where the exterior location might be?
Obviously, in the top photo, there is no third rail.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd.

Posted by 3-9 on Thu Jul 11 21:29:46 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd., posted by SLRT on Wed Jul 3 14:55:15 2019.

Would have been hard to restore, though. Besides the additional door cut into the side, they probably ripped out all the seats when they were storing garbage cans.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd.

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jul 12 02:35:16 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd., posted by Express Rider on Thu Jul 11 20:06:46 2019.

Nice photos - thanks for posting.
Anyone have any ideas about where the exterior location might be?
Obviously, in the top photo, there is no third rail.


Most likely at the car builders plant.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd.

Posted by Express Rider on Sat Jul 13 08:37:24 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd., posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jul 12 02:35:16 2019.

Thank you. Makes sense.
I was wondering if maybe the pgoto might have been taken on a non-electrified section of trackage in either CI*(?) or 36th St, or maybe in E. NY?

CI* as we know it was a Dual Contracts project correct? Was there any extant BRT yard trackage or inspection / repair shed in this area, or did it not exist yet and all seriou smaintenance done in E. NY?
Thank you!

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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd.

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Jul 13 09:18:36 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd., posted by Express Rider on Sat Jul 13 08:37:24 2019.

Thank you. Makes sense.
I was wondering if maybe the photo might have been taken on a non-electrified section of trackage in either CI*(?) or 36th St, or maybe in E. NY?


It may have. I assumed since the car looks brand new, the photo would have been taken at the builder's plant.

CI* as we know it was a Dual Contracts project correct? Was there any extant BRT yard trackage or inspection / repair shed in this area, or did it not exist yet and all serious maintenance done in E. NY? Thank you!

CI means Coney Island Yard/Shops ? I do know that Coney Island Shops was built for the D Types.
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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd.

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jul 13 09:34:39 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Elkeeper's Almanac for July 3rd., posted by Express Rider on Sat Jul 13 08:37:24 2019.

I would imagine heavy maintenance work on the Standards (truck change and the like) was also done at CIYD Main Shop, while routine maintenance on the Eastern Division Standards was done at DOYd (District Office Yard) known today as East New York Yard. Routine maintenance on the Standards assigned to CIYD based routes and the DTypes was assigned to CIYD barn.

Just like today the main shop at CI and the barn are separate entities. Same goes for 207th St.

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