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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jun 12 00:30:36 2019 New Acela |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jun 12 03:07:14 2019, in response to CBC news , new Acela trains, first look, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jun 12 00:30:36 2019. What will become of the current Acela fleet ?Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jun 12 03:24:25 2019, in response to Re: CBC news , new Acela trains, first look, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jun 12 03:07:14 2019. Lokal Trans to Podunk and back again.ROAR |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Jun 12 04:42:53 2019, in response to CBC news , new Acela trains, first look, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jun 12 00:30:36 2019. Why 'overhauled' by Alstom if they're building them from the shell up? |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Jun 12 04:46:41 2019, in response to CBC news , new Acela trains, first look, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jun 12 00:30:36 2019. Not a fan of the new seat design. Looks a lot harder to get to sleep in. |
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Posted by Alan Follett on Wed Jun 12 06:26:44 2019, in response to Re: CBC news , new Acela trains, first look, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jun 12 03:24:25 2019. Hmm--not a lot of catenary has been strung yet on the Podunk line. Convertible to some form of non-electric operation? I sort of doubt it. Harrisburg line? A possibility, though they're not ideally suited for a semi-commuter service with frequent stops.Alan Follett |
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Posted by Pragmatist on Wed Jun 12 08:38:22 2019, in response to Re: CBC news , new Acela trains, first look, posted by Alan Follett on Wed Jun 12 06:26:44 2019. They require high platforms. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jun 12 08:55:54 2019, in response to Re: CBC news , new Acela trains, first look, posted by Pragmatist on Wed Jun 12 08:38:22 2019. And?The present Accela uses high platforms. |
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Posted by Pragmatist on Wed Jun 12 08:58:31 2019, in response to Re: CBC news , new Acela trains, first look, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jun 12 08:55:54 2019. I was responding to the suggestion that they might be used on the Harrisburg line.... |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Jun 12 10:00:47 2019, in response to CBC news , new Acela trains, first look, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jun 12 00:30:36 2019. Corrected. CBC is the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation.
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jun 12 10:33:24 2019, in response to Re: CBC news , new Acela trains, first look, posted by Pragmatist on Wed Jun 12 08:58:31 2019. some of those stations are high level, and FWIW, PRR had to raise plats at DC, Balto, Wilminmgton for the Metroliners 50 years ago. So, it is time for at least all of the Keystone stations. In my vision of real progress Alexandria, a new station for allof the TOD at former Pot Yartd,and others all the way to Richmond as well as stringing catenary. Acela 1s should be usable for many more years unless the bodies are worn out. (and next, string the wires to Albany) |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Jun 12 11:51:12 2019, in response to Re: CBC news , new Acela trains, first look, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jun 12 10:33:24 2019. It would be great, but I won't hold my breath. You won't see cat to Albany unless NY changes their thinking. Maintenance is costly on the Acela trainsets, economics may rule out their continued service regardless of their condition. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Jun 12 11:51:15 2019, in response to Re: CBC news , new Acela trains, first look, posted by Dave on Wed Jun 12 04:42:53 2019. I believe that plaque was on an older train. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jun 12 12:28:19 2019, in response to Re: CBC news , new Acela trains, first look, posted by pragmatist on Wed Jun 12 11:51:12 2019. Not holding breath, and on my more pessimistic days, not likely before I am recycled for organs. That said, we needto have dreams. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 12 12:38:15 2019, in response to Re: CBC news , new Acela trains, first look, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jun 12 10:33:24 2019. They didn't have to; Metroliners had steps and trapdoors.And no, they won't do it for the Keystone trains. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 12 12:39:10 2019, in response to Re: CBC news , new Acela trains, first look, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jun 12 10:33:24 2019. They didn't have to; Metroliners had steps and trapdoors.And no, they won't do it for the Keystone trains. and next, string the wires to Albany LOL! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 12 12:40:55 2019, in response to CBC news , new Acela trains, first look, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jun 12 00:30:36 2019. It's not the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation carrying this story, FTR. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 12 12:45:09 2019, in response to Re: CBC news , new Acela trains, first look, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jun 12 03:07:14 2019. Scrap.IOW, same thing that became of the P30CHs. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jun 12 13:30:56 2019, in response to Re: CBC news, new Acela trains, first look, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 12 12:39:10 2019. If electrification were to be extended to Albany it will likely be 3rd rail since it already in place as far as Croton/Harmon. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jun 12 15:22:59 2019, in response to Re: CBC news , new Acela trains, first look, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jun 12 03:07:14 2019. Sent to Canada, converted in razor blades. Re-purposing them for Regionals (inflexible, insufficient capacity, no trap doors), Keystones(too expensive to lease), or converting them into standard railroad cars just isn't feasible |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jun 12 15:25:55 2019, in response to Re: CBC news , new Acela trains, first look, posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Jun 12 04:46:41 2019. I remember winged seat backs in the Amfleet-1 and Superliner-I, which vanished by the mid-1980's. You need them for sleeping to keep your head from falling over and getting whiplash. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Jun 12 15:32:38 2019, in response to Re: CBC news, new Acela trains, first look, posted by randyo on Wed Jun 12 13:30:56 2019. If electrification were to be extended to Albany it will likely be 3rd rail since it already in place as far as Croton/Harmon.There's only one country in the world with somewhat medium distance third rail, and it's been banned for any future electrification scheme. Either you electrify that corridor at 25kV or not at all. A third rail sub every mile or so gets expensive *very* quickly. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 12 15:44:24 2019, in response to Re: CBC news, new Acela trains, first look, posted by randyo on Wed Jun 12 13:30:56 2019. That wouldn't work out well for Amtrak unless they moved back into GCT and reactivated the overhead third rail. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 12 15:47:16 2019, in response to Re: CBC news , new Acela trains, first look, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jun 12 03:24:25 2019. No way in Haides. |
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Posted by Pragmatist on Wed Jun 12 16:34:24 2019, in response to Re: CBC news, new Acela trains, first look, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Jun 12 15:32:38 2019. Not only is it expensive, it would limit maximum speeds. Empire Service trains routinely exceed 3rd rail speeds, and acceleration is less of a factor when the stops are further apart. Aceleas will never be rebuilt to run on a DC source. and I don't see NYS paying for catenary. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jun 12 16:42:50 2019, in response to Re: CBC news, new Acela trains, first look, posted by Pragmatist on Wed Jun 12 16:34:24 2019. Although, two +decades ago, that was the dream. If we are serious about reducing carbon release, hydro/wing/solar electricity should replace diesels on any route dense enough to support two or more main tracks. |
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Posted by Pragmatist on Wed Jun 12 16:54:14 2019, in response to Re: CBC news, new Acela trains, first look, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jun 12 16:42:50 2019. NY State is the largest producer of Hydro power East of the Missisippi. They key to greater reliance on renewables revolves around large scale energy storage. After I retired from the electrical industry I have been teaching courses about alternative energy systems, and green/high performance building concepts for electrical apprentices and journeypersons. Tomorrow I will be facilitator for a roundtable discussion on workforce training and development for solr and energy storage at the CUNY Solar + Storage Summitt at Jihn Jay college, so it is a topic I do like to discuss. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 12 17:22:11 2019, in response to Re: CBC news, new Acela trains, first look, posted by Pragmatist on Wed Jun 12 16:34:24 2019. Empire Service trains routinely exceed 3rd rail speedsWhat is the imaginary limit here? I've heard 100 mph in the past, but that sounds like an arbitrary guess to me. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 12 17:24:32 2019, in response to Re: CBC news, new Acela trains, first look, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jun 12 16:42:50 2019. Lol "carbon release". Why so anti-science? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 12 17:28:48 2019, in response to Re: CBC news , new Acela trains, first look, posted by pragmatist on Wed Jun 12 11:51:12 2019. There aren't enough trains between Rensselaer (still ain't Albany) and NYP to justify such an upgrade, never mind the ownership issues. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 12 17:31:17 2019, in response to Re: CBS news , new Acela trains, first look, posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Jun 12 10:00:47 2019. Is your name Olog-hai? |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jun 12 17:34:14 2019, in response to Re: CBC news, new Acela trains, first look, posted by Pragmatist on Wed Jun 12 16:54:14 2019. good on you. Indeed storage is the next 'holy grail' as we have cheap enough actual PV panels. |
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Posted by Pragmatist on Wed Jun 12 18:12:20 2019, in response to Re: CBC news, new Acela trains, first look, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 12 17:22:11 2019. In this country in regular service, around 90, but in England they got one up to 108 on a test run. One problem with our 3rd rail systems is the current carrying/delivery capability of a steel rail (or even aluminum and steel composite) and limited sets of shoes that would exist in a loco hauled scenario. An EMU set would not have the shoe problem, but traditional US 3rd rail voltages make it difficult to deliver the amount of power required for high powered loco hauled trains. Substation additions would get expensive. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jun 12 19:55:23 2019, in response to Re: CBS News, new Acela trains, first look, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 12 17:28:48 2019. There's just as many as there are between Harrisburg and Philly, and they re-electrified that corridor under 30 years ago. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 12 22:29:58 2019, in response to Re: CBC news, new Acela trains, first look, posted by Pragmatist on Wed Jun 12 18:12:20 2019. There seemed to be no problem on the NY Central between GCT and Harmon when they used to switch between steam and electric there. If the NY Central had built third rail all the way to Albany Union Station, the possibility of 100 mph or faster existed. Of course, no electrification will be forthcoming of any type on the Empire routes, so it's all speculation. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 12 22:39:39 2019, in response to Re: CBS News, new Acela trains, first look, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jun 12 19:55:23 2019. They never de-electrified; they rebuilt what was there, albeit not to what it used to be. Quite a gulf between that and new build.And there are still more Keystone trains than there are pure Empire Service trains. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 12 22:42:33 2019, in response to Re: CBC news, new Acela trains, first look, posted by Pragmatist on Wed Jun 12 16:54:14 2019. Pity you can't build supercapacitors out of politicians' hot air. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Jun 13 03:09:19 2019, in response to CBC news , new Acela trains, first look, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jun 12 00:30:36 2019. How Acela cars are made |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jun 13 03:39:31 2019, in response to Re: CBC news, new Acela trains, first look, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Jun 12 15:32:38 2019. WHO has banned it?This cannot be. What if your new system requires a reaction rail? ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jun 13 03:44:08 2019, in response to Re: CBS News, new Acela trains, first look, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 12 22:29:58 2019. Steem Engines routinely went over 100 mph.A well engineered third rail system could go as fast as any one could want. Since the rail just sits there, it is a matter of shoe design. I should know all about shoe design, my feet are killing me. ROAR |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 13 03:47:28 2019, in response to Re: CBS News, new Acela trains, first look, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 12 15:44:24 2019. Not just reactivate, but reinstall it, because it may be likely gone. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jun 13 03:47:36 2019, in response to Re: CBS News, new Acela trains, first look, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 12 22:39:39 2019. If the ran more Empire Trains on a decnt schedule say 1 TPH, they would get more customers, and the area would develop, not that I am sure that development like that along the Hudson or Upstate is a good idea in and of itself.R ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jun 13 03:48:47 2019, in response to Re: CBC news , new Acela trains, first look, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jun 12 03:24:25 2019. Your sarcasm detector needs adjustment.ROAR |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 13 03:51:01 2019, in response to Re: CBC news, new Acela trains, first look, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Jun 12 15:32:38 2019. 3rd rail extension to Poughkeepsie is no more ridiculous than similar projects to Brewster and they should do it. At least MN can get mostly out of the dual-mode business. Another 70 miles to Albany-Ren for a dozen trains a day is hard to justify, though the Siemens Charger locos in Chicago have a hard time with snow. The screened in side "X" porch is an obvious design flaw. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 13 03:52:48 2019, in response to Re: CBC news, new Acela trains, first look, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 12 17:22:11 2019. Take the governors off, even the LIRR MP-75, with their MP-54 technology and compatibility, were tested at 100 MPH in the mid-1960's.Even the R44's did 83 MPH. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 13 03:54:07 2019, in response to Re: CBS News, new Acela trains, first look, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 12 22:29:58 2019. How fast did the original Chunnel trains go into Waterloo Station on 3rd rail ? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 13 06:15:00 2019, in response to Re: CBC news, new Acela trains, first look, posted by Pragmatist on Wed Jun 12 16:54:14 2019. How well does pumped storage work? |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Jun 13 06:23:31 2019, in response to Re: CBS News, new Acela trains, first look, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 12 17:31:17 2019. No, and my name isn't TransitChuckG either. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 13 06:40:56 2019, in response to Re: CBC news, new Acela trains, first look, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 13 06:15:00 2019. About 70-75%. Blenheim Gilboa uses maybe 1.3 GWHr to pump water up the hill, then gets 1 GWHr back.I know you like nuclear, but nuclear plants take a decade to plan. Solar goes in quickly, but needs pumped storage for the evenings, especially evenings without wind. NY doesn't have many good locations for pumped storage, and they will all have many NIMBYs. But Quebec has lots of good locations for more facilities, and far fewer NIMBYs. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jun 13 06:44:04 2019, in response to Re: CBC news, new Acela trains, first look, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 13 06:15:00 2019. It is a loss leader. It costs more to pump it up than you get bringing it back down again. What it does do is efficiently provide a use for night-time excess to supplement day-time demand.ROAR |
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