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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Jun 8 12:54:31 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by randyo on Sat Jun 8 10:52:48 2019. The W can be extended to Bay Ridge to augment 8-car R train to/from Nassau. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 8 14:07:29 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by randyo on Sat Jun 8 10:52:48 2019. That worked fine in the period 9/12 - 10/26 2001. The M was running down the Sea Beach.Have 4th AVe local loadings risen much since then ? |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jun 9 15:38:24 2019, in response to M-iversary, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 1 08:02:12 2019. The best change in most recent subway history. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jun 9 15:41:21 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by AlM on Sat Jun 1 17:11:28 2019. The part of the m that's packed is the ridewood, Bushwick, Williamsburg sections that can't have the 10 car trains anyway. But one of the reasons they are packed is because of where the M now goes on 6th Ave.... |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jun 9 15:41:30 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by AlM on Sat Jun 1 17:11:28 2019. The part of the m that's packed is the Ridgewood, Bushwick, Williamsburg sections that can't have the 10 car trains anyway. But one of the reasons they are packed is because of where the M now goes on 6th Ave.... |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jun 9 15:45:06 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 1 12:44:04 2019. At the time the K ran there Bushwick and Williamsburg were dying neighborhoods. The opposite is true now. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jun 9 16:03:13 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jun 9 15:41:21 2019. Interesting. I'm not seeing the M as being that crowded in the PM as it leaves 14th. But I suspect a lot of people transfer from the 6. I think the completion of the connection to the northbound 6 has made a big difference. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 9 16:06:12 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jun 9 15:41:21 2019. What could be done to expand car capacity to Metropolitan? |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Jun 9 16:55:10 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by AlM on Sun Jun 9 16:03:13 2019. That would make sense, as pre M-V merge those same people would have transferred from the 6 at Canal St. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jun 9 20:52:18 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 9 16:06:12 2019. Outside of a shorter headway, not much since Met is tho only station I’m aware of that could never hold a full 8 steels, but only 7 about the same length as an 8 car train of 60 footers. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jun 9 20:56:13 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jun 9 15:45:06 2019. I had actually mentioned in several posts on this topic, that it would probably have made sense to run a Jamaica service like a resurrected K up 6 Av to Ctl since with a shorter deadhead time between Jamaica and Ctl, work programs would be easier since an extra half trip could be added to the runs increasing productivity. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jun 9 21:33:11 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Jun 9 16:55:10 2019. Or used the L. I've definitely seen uptown 6 traffic coming into 14th Street increase in the AM rush hour since the connection at Bway-Lafayette was put in. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 10 03:09:52 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 9 16:06:12 2019. Rebuild the Metro Ave station, stick whatever in on the south end of the platform on pillars above, move the switches, run 9 car R160's and R179's there and on the L. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 10 03:13:07 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by randyo on Sun Jun 9 20:56:13 2019. Run a few extra M's in and out of ENY, just as a few E's run to and from 179th, and a few N's and R's run to 96th/2nd. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jun 10 09:26:38 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 1 12:44:04 2019. Actually,the connection was built for the 2nd ave subway connection to the Jamaica line,and Not 6th ave.When the plans were cancelled,the line was thru routed to Houston st. The Nassau/Chrystie st reverse tunnel is partially built,and provisions are there for the Jamaica/2nd ave connection. Expect neither of these lines to actually be completed. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 10 09:35:35 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by Edwards! on Mon Jun 10 09:26:38 2019. Can this "Nassau/Chrystie st reverse tunnel" be seen from the train in any way ? |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jun 10 09:43:54 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 10 03:13:07 2019. I think a Jamaica Center/Jamaica Center (starts on one level, ends on the other) route would be cool from a railfan perspective. I'm not even going to attempt any operational justification for it- just saying that it would be a remarkable thing. Anyone know of such a thing ever running for a GO? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jun 10 09:45:21 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by randyo on Sat Jun 8 10:52:48 2019. Yeah,but it wouldn't make much difference when it counts.They ran 480 trains down there for years until the 80s.. As long as folks get to point B,they will be happy |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jun 10 09:47:50 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jun 10 09:43:54 2019. My fantasy is to connect the two levels at Jamaica Center.Then you can have Queens Blvd be 3 tracks inbound and one track outbound in the AM rush. How do you get all those trains back to Queens, you ask? Via the other route to Jamaica Center, of course. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jun 10 09:48:37 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jun 10 09:43:54 2019. The M used the upper level after Sandy for a little while.Don't exactly know how long it lasted,but I rode it. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jun 10 09:55:18 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 10 09:35:35 2019. Nope.Its just a shell... I saw the pics on the web site where they 'explore' hidden areas in the system. Also,you can see the plans if you go to the city archive. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 10 11:16:02 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by Edwards! on Mon Jun 10 09:48:37 2019. Interesting. So it ran from Jamaica Center Upper via Queens Blvd to Metropolitan? Pretty cool. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jun 10 13:24:18 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 10 03:09:52 2019. Not a bad idea, but of you are going to extend the platform and realign the tracks then extend the platforms to 600ft to allow for possible future expansion. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jun 10 13:30:17 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by AlM on Mon Jun 10 09:47:50 2019. Back when I was in the schedule office and the Archer Av subway was still under construction I submitted a suggestion to do just that. While I received a formal commendation for it, It was not done because by the time I made the suggestion, construction was too far advanced to allow for such a connection to be built. Another example of the cesspool of incompetence that passes for TA planning. It’s the same lack of planning expertise that resulted in connecting only the express tks of the BMT Bway Subway to 63 St and the SAS even though the subway infrastructure was designed for it. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jun 10 13:32:13 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by Edwards! on Mon Jun 10 09:48:37 2019. Why would the M have been extended to Jamaica Center unless there was a delay on the E? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jun 10 17:15:26 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by randyo on Mon Jun 10 13:32:13 2019. Nah..it ran in place of. the E since Sandy knocked out most train service |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jun 10 20:17:13 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by Edwards! on Mon Jun 10 17:15:26 2019. Don't understand how that worked. For the 4 days that the Con Ed 14th Street plant was out, there was no subway service south of 34th street, so I don't see how the M could have gotten from the WB to midtown.Once power was back on, some of the river tunnels (like the L) remained closed a while longer, but the M and the E use the same river tunnel, so the E should have been back in full service the same time as the M. |
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Posted by VictorM on Tue Jun 11 09:38:54 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by AlM on Mon Jun 10 20:17:13 2019. I don't know the reason, but the M definitely ran to Jamaica Center after Sandy: Sutphin Blvd 11/2/2012 (from subwaynut.com) |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jun 11 11:09:06 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by VictorM on Tue Jun 11 09:38:54 2019. I'm guessing maybe the Rutgers tube didn't open for a while, so the M replaced the E in Queens and the E replaced the F to 179th. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jun 11 16:45:26 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by AlM on Mon Jun 10 20:17:13 2019. Hey,I don't know how it went or came about.All I do know is the fact the M was the Only service there,with the J on the lower level. The LIRR was totally free,too...so a bit of railfanning was a must. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Tue Jun 11 18:17:48 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 1 11:28:43 2019. Dammit. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Jun 11 22:51:15 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by randyo on Mon Jun 10 13:30:17 2019. Delaney, Ridgway, and Snow are turning over in their graves at this kind of stuff...... I'm sure I've posted this before. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Jun 12 02:40:17 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by Edwards! on Mon Jun 10 09:48:37 2019. OK, that's interesting. Thank you. |
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