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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 9 07:29:16 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by nasadowsk on Sun Jun 9 06:09:05 2019. Read that in LRR42's blog some months ago.One is in Greenlawn. Forgot the others. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 9 07:30:19 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 9 07:26:01 2019. They're not any longer. The unneeded 11 track Mid-Suffolk Yard is being built in Ronkonkoma. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 9 07:42:37 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 8 20:45:31 2019. Unfortunately the maintenance thing is very true and I agree.The ALP45DP is only a couple of inches taller than the SW1001 and was developed over 10 years ago, so I wouldn’t necessarily say that. By the time that technology develops the LIRR can buy and refurbish single level coaches that will be on the market like the Mafersas, Comets, MARC coaches, etc and use that to run Poughkeepsie level service from all of its diesel territory to either of its Manhattan terminals until electrification spreads out. They could probably even tack on to Amtrak’s Viaggio order and save a little bit of money that way. Excuse the foam, but I just think it’s really dumb how the LIRR ordered and paid for all of those dual mode locomotives and barely even have a need for them with its current service offerings. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 9 09:51:59 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by nasadowsk on Sun Jun 9 06:11:13 2019. I don’t know, I just find it hard to believe that diesel territory riders really thought that 23 locomotives would be enough to provide all of them with hourly service to Penn, even if the LIRR didn’t have to double end them.The LIRR could have provided hourly service to Grand Central with those 23 locomotives for at least Patchogue and Port Jefferson riders if they weren’t so short sighted as to make them too tall to fit there. The P32AC-DM and Comets/Shoreliners were proven products operated by two railroads and they decided to go with the DE30AC/DM30AC and C3, unbelievable. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 9 10:16:51 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 9 09:51:59 2019. The realtors and politicians fell for it. As long as they were that stupid, that was fine with the LIRR.Nobody can make a 79 MPH road engine with 12'10" clearance, and I don't think anyone wants anything with fuel tanks down there. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 9 10:51:40 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 9 10:16:51 2019. Wow, it's amazing how someone who had the smarts in life to be able to afford a million dollar home in Glen Cove or Stony Brook would actually take the LIRR's word on that as gospel.Where did this 12' 10" figure come from? I thought that the 63rd Street Tunnel was 13' even. The M1 was designed with the 63rd Street Tunnel in mind and was taller than the Charger. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 9 11:04:58 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 9 10:51:40 2019. The Oyster Bay Branch is old money. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 9 11:08:45 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 8 04:04:53 2019. I should have known better than to doubt The Olog, but after doing some research you're right, it is indeed a weight restriction on the Atlantic Avenue El that keeps the DE30AC/DM30AC (but not the C3) forbidden from the Atlantic Branch. The tunnel leading into Atlantic Terminal is apparently 15' 2" and can also fit a NJT Multilevel or a standard Boxcar, but nothing taller like a Superliner. A ~40,000 lb difference from the SW1001 is why the DM30AC can't go to Brooklyn, go figure.It's a shame too since the LIRR just rehabilitated that El a couple of years ago without even thinking about eliminating this operational obstacle. That being said, I wonder if the circus train used Atlantic Terminal when the circus was being held at the Barclays a couple of years ago. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 9 12:27:56 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 9 10:51:40 2019. Old Money Rich (and in triple-figure debt like my cousin) does not mean smart.M1 was 12'10" The Charger: Height 12 ft 6 in (3.81 m) (roof) 14 ft 4 in (4.37 m) (roof shroud) |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 9 12:30:34 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 9 11:08:45 2019. The 14'2" MP70 double deckers were also banned from the Brooklyn line, as the MP15's and GP38's.Circus train never ran down there. |
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Posted by sloth on Sun Jun 9 15:57:50 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jun 8 06:13:09 2019. The SW1001 is the only diesel allowed to Brooklyn, and restricted to 10 mph. I believe it is due to weight limit on the viaduct. Since it's fairly easy to drill replacement MU's up in Jamaica if the drill crew has 10 minutes warning, I don't see the advantage in acquiring dual mode EQ that can operate on the viaduct. I think you could gap out a dual mode in Brook 1 as easy as shit, too. |
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Posted by sloth on Sun Jun 9 16:07:23 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 9 11:04:58 2019. I have been told that the towns along the Oyster Bay did not want electrification east of East Williston, since it might bring in undesirable elements. If so, there could be similar opposition to more dual modes. I would guess anyone wanting actual service drives to Port Washington. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 9 18:06:57 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by sloth on Sun Jun 9 16:07:23 2019. Why? Electrification doesn't bring lower fares. |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Sun Jun 9 18:51:29 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 9 07:26:01 2019. The way the whole railroad / subway business is supposed to work is that you build a line to an area where you can buy land to develop. You use the profits from the development to help pay the capital cost of building the line or in this case to electrify the line. I guess the developer did not pass enough bribes to the needed people thus idea dropped . |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 9 19:00:52 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by brightonr68 on Sun Jun 9 18:51:29 2019. There is no "business" when the government owns and operates the railroad or subway.And what you describe feeds into the NIMBY stereotype of railroads resulting in overdevelopment and/or slums. (It's highways that do that.) |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 10 00:38:12 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 9 12:27:56 2019. The roof shroud height only refers to the select California units that have them for aesthetic purposes, the locomotive is effectively 12’ 6”. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 10 01:12:37 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by sloth on Sun Jun 9 15:57:50 2019. How useful can a replacement set in Jamaica be for a Grand Central-bound MU that broke down in let’s say Wantagh compared to a hypothetical Jamaica-bound Charger set that just expressed through Lindenhurst? The Jamaica scenario was just an example of the many that can play out. Seeing how quick the LIRR is to use the diesels to bail them out whenever third rail problems occur, and how Metro-North uses diesels all the time on trips to Croton-Harmon and New Haven, I have no doubt in my mind that the operations department of the LIRR would welcome such flexible equipment with open arms.LIRR owns the trackage on the Atlantic Branch so gapping out wouldn’t be as big of an issue as it is going into Penn. Funny enough, if a Penn Station-bound P32 is having problems running on electric mode, Amtrak will often just send it through and have the engineer coast into the station, same with Metro-North into Grand Central. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 10 01:18:41 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by brightonr68 on Sun Jun 9 18:51:29 2019. If that’s the case then Yaphank has had over a century to develop around its rail line and still hasn’t. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 10 02:53:07 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 10 00:38:12 2019. The shroud is to a wind shear up to the SUperliner height, over and above the normal roofline.https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=Siemens+CHarger+loco&fr=yhs-pty-pty_maps&hspart=pty&hsimp=yhs-pty_maps&imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.railwaygazette.com%2Fuploads%2Fpics%2Ftn_siemens-charger-loco-scaramento-factory.jpg#id=18&iurl=http%3A%2F%2Fogrforum.ogaugerr.com%2FfileSendAction%2FfcType%2F0%2FfcOid%2F71538114024057439%2FfilePointer%2F71819768061176667%2Ffodoid%2F71819768061176663%2FimageType%2FMEDIUM%2FinlineImage%2Ftrue%2FSieman%252520SC-44%252520Charger%252520Loco.jpg&action=click |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 10 02:54:10 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 10 01:18:41 2019. Because it has had only useless service. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 10 02:57:04 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 10 01:12:37 2019. Atlantic Terminal and GCT are near street service.LIRR's ESA terminal will be in a bunker below the lower level. There will be zero ventilation for exhaust Your imaginary version of the Charger does not exist and will not clear it. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 10 03:16:06 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 10 02:54:10 2019. So has Greenport, Riverhead, Medford, etc and they're all pretty developed up. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 10 03:31:43 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 10 02:57:04 2019. Not true at all, the tunnel and station will ventilate into a plant that they're building at 50th Street. There's no way that such a big project through the middle of Manhattan into arguably the most famous train station in the world would be given the green light without a necessary security measure like that.A 13' foot dual mode Charger may be a while away from coming to fruition, but a dual mode Charger in and of itself certainly isn't, considering how much Amtrak loves them and is going to start replacing their P32 fleet soon enough. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jun 10 03:37:38 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 10 01:12:37 2019. LIRR does not own the Atlantic Branch. That is owned by the City of New York, and LIRR is a tenant.It is not the LIRR who gets to decide where the third rails are placed in an interlocking plant. That is the sole dominion of the geometry of the plant. ROAR |
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Posted by pragmatist on Mon Jun 10 03:38:01 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 10 03:31:43 2019. The 50th street site was controversial, it's proximity to St Patrick's raised some concerns. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jun 10 03:41:32 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 9 18:06:57 2019. It brings more tains and more trains bring more people.As for undesirable elements... , we will go wherever prices are the cheapest. Why you think that so many commute from Pennsylvania. ROAR |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 10 04:01:11 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jun 10 03:37:38 2019. LIRR does not own the Atlantic Branch. That is owned by the City of New York, and LIRR is a tenant.Not true at all. If that were the case then the city would do more than simply whine about how the LIRR is effectively turning the Atlantic Branch into a shuttle when they've been wanting to turn it into an airport link for years. It is not the LIRR who gets to decide where the third rails are placed in an interlocking plant. That is the sole dominion of the geometry of the plant. That's not the point, the LIRR operates double-ended dual mode consists into Penn Station because Amtrak makes them, which obviously isn't as big of an operational obstacle in Atlantic Terminal or Grand Central where they own the trackage. Excuse the forthcoming foam, but in that regard I find it interesting how the C3 was never designed so as to allow an engineer to switchover to third rail mode from the cab, meaning that the LIRR knew that they would only be able to operate double-ended consists into Penn all the way back to when they designed that fleet, making it that much more worse that they would lie to diesel territory riders about the new fleet allowing regular hourly service into Penn with only 24 locomotives. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 10 04:01:14 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jun 10 03:37:38 2019. LIRR does not own the Atlantic Branch. That is owned by the City of New York, and LIRR is a tenant.Not true at all. If that were the case then the city would do more than simply whine about how the LIRR is effectively turning the Atlantic Branch into a shuttle when they've been wanting to turn it into an airport link for years. It is not the LIRR who gets to decide where the third rails are placed in an interlocking plant. That is the sole dominion of the geometry of the plant. That's not the point, the LIRR operates double-ended dual mode consists into Penn Station because Amtrak makes them, which obviously isn't as big of an operational obstacle in Atlantic Terminal or Grand Central where they own the trackage. Excuse the forthcoming foam, but in that regard I find it interesting how the C3 was never designed so as to allow an engineer to switchover to third rail mode from the cab, meaning that the LIRR knew that they would only be able to operate double-ended consists into Penn all the way back to when they designed that fleet, making it that much more worse that they would lie to diesel territory riders about the new fleet allowing regular hourly service into Penn with only 24 locomotives. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 10 04:11:10 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 10 03:16:06 2019. and not because they use the LIRR or that the LIRR even exists.Southold is the least used station on the entire LIRR. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 10 04:16:24 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 10 03:31:43 2019. It isn't intended to vent diesel exhaust fumes, or diesels would not be banned in the first place in GCT and Penn Station. It is quite a smoky mess when that happens. No way will that be tolerated down in the ESA Bunker.Charger's in the Midwest give them a lot of headaches, especially sucking up snow in that huge "X" vent on the side. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 10 04:17:47 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jun 10 03:37:38 2019. That's just title law. I don't think anyone in NYC-DOT considers the Atlantic Branch to be theirs. That would also go for Platform C in Jamaica as well. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 10 04:22:06 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 10 04:01:11 2019. The difference is Amtrak's dual-mode 3rd rail trains are not push-pull. They do not want the front vehicle in a train to not be equipped with 3rd rail shoes so the engineers does not stop over a gap.They are down to 21 DM locos now. One burned to a crisp and stripped to the frame, the other converted to a DE after it burned up as well. |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Jun 10 04:51:29 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jun 10 03:37:38 2019. The LIRR does own the Atlantic Branch. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jun 10 05:02:19 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 10 03:31:43 2019. Not true at all, the tunnel and station will ventilate into a plant that they're building at 50th Street.I've missed seeing this. By now it would have to be visible at street level. Which corner of Park and 50th does it take up? |
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Posted by Pragmatist on Mon Jun 10 05:29:18 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by AlM on Mon Jun 10 05:02:19 2019. There are lots of pctures posted on line. I believe there is another vent shaft at 55th st. Thry are not intended to make the project suitable for diesel. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jun 10 05:34:22 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 10 04:22:06 2019. There are 600' gaps in the third rail at NYP. A lead locomotive could coast over those gaps, since the engineer can see where they are. AMTK does this.But when yoou locomotive is at the rear of the train how does the engineer know where the gaps are? I do not know what sort of gaps live in Brooklyn, the biggest issues are crossing over stacked double slip switches, which may or may not be an issue in Brooklyn. As you can see, gaps on railroad of LION are negligible.  ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jun 10 05:36:13 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 10 04:22:06 2019. There are 600' gaps in the third rail at NYP. A lead locomotive could coast over those gaps, since the engineer can see where they are. AMTK does this.But when yoou locomotive is at the rear of the train how does the engineer know where the gaps are? I do not know what sort of gaps live in Brooklyn, the biggest issues are crossing over stacked double slip switches, which may or may not be an issue in Brooklyn. As you can see, gaps on railroad of LION are negligible. ROAR |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 10 06:12:39 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jun 10 03:41:32 2019. It brings more t(r)ainsWhere are they on the electrified West Hempstead Branch? As for undesirable element… we will go wherever prices are the cheapest. Why you think that so many commute from Pennsylvania No, that's not why. And they do not commute. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 10 06:19:15 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jun 10 05:34:22 2019. There are 600' gaps in the third rail at NYPBack when there was no overhead wire there, there was overhead third rail and thus no gaps. Ever notice the DD1's overhead third rail pantograph?  |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 10 06:31:38 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 10 04:11:10 2019. Wow, did he hijack this thread more than Luch could. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 10 06:37:59 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 10 06:12:39 2019. The WH Branch was castrated in the 1930's when the NY PSC demanded they remove grade-crossings between West Hempstead and Mineola. It was a stupid requirement. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 10 06:39:16 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 10 04:16:24 2019. It isn't intended to vent diesel exhaust fumes, or diesels would not be banned in the first place in GCT and Penn Station. It is quite a smoky mess when that happens. No way will that be tolerated down in the ESA Bunker.With the technology that exists today and the high profile of Grand Central, there's no reason why the ventilation system there shouldn't be able to handle a little bit of occasional diesel exhaust should a dual-mode break down in electric mode and have to coast through the tunnel or run on Notch 1. My main point though was that the LIRR won't have to double-end their trains going into Grand Central or Atlantic Terminal in this very and highly hypothetical scenario, thus saving money on having to buy additional locomotives. Metro-North hasn't banned diesels into Grand Central either, they're just highly frowned upon. The Garbage train that runs there on a frequent basis is diesel-powered, the engineer just has to make sure that they coast and/or take it easy on the throttle through the tunnel, just like Amtrak/LIRR trains do at Penn when they're having trouble running on electric mode. Charger's in the Midwest give them a lot of headaches, especially sucking up snow in that huge "X" vent on the side. Yeah, the mechanics aren't huge fans of their "complicated" systems either, but the suits love them. The Charger is shaping up to be one of the most successful locomotives in years. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 10 06:40:13 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 10 06:19:15 2019. When the DD1's hit the Nassau County branch lines for freight service, they put flat cars on either side of them with 3rd rail shoes. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 10 06:42:40 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jun 10 05:34:22 2019. LIRR once ran 2 and 3 car MP54's out of Brooklyn, the West Hempstead shuttle, and once in a while to Hempstead. During the summer of 1969, there were 2-car MP70's and M-1's as well. But back then, they got a running start over switches without the ASC kicking in. It is far more unforgiving now. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 10 06:49:36 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 10 06:39:16 2019. Upper level GCT has sidewalk vents. ESA terminal has nothing. No way will a diesel ever get down there.They can run MU's there just fine. Passengers can change at Jamaica. If they don't like it, then electrify. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 10 06:58:50 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 10 04:11:10 2019. You're right, the LIRR restored year-round service and added 2 more trains to Greenport not because of the people that live along the line, but because they knew it was the right thing to do deep down inside. |
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Posted by sloth on Mon Jun 10 07:04:32 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 10 01:12:37 2019. The normal move is to have the bad EQ limp to Jamaica and either get cancelled, swapped out, or keep limping. If it can't make it to Jamaica, service is going to get borked, and having a following dual mode versus just throwing everyone on the next scheduled Babylon MU isn't gonna move that needle much.The reason dual modes do not gap constantly in Penn is that you are allowed 15 mph there, and can get a running start over the gaps. From the station to Brook 1, the speed in Brooklyn is 5 mph. Six-car MU consists have some trouble going east-- and uphill-- over the double slip switches. Sure, you can coast in, but how are you going to get back out? |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 10 07:53:40 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 10 06:58:50 2019. It is still a useless service.Want to go home after the 5:41pm train ? Check in at a hotel. After 8pm for off-peak fares ? Forget it. Want to take a day trip to the North Fork on weekday ? You can't take the LIRR. Want to take a weekend trip to the city from the North Fork for 6 months of the year ? You can't take the LIRR. They restored weekend service and added 2 more trips because they risked losing MTA taxes in Riverhead and Southold townships. Nothing more, and it took their stupid service planners since 1986 (when they killed their bus service) to to do that. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 10 08:04:28 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by sloth on Mon Jun 10 07:04:32 2019. They ran lots of 4 car M-1's into Brooklyn until the M-3's came along. Every West Hempstead train was 4 cars, except a 6-car train in the PM rush and the 8-car AM train to Penn Station. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Jun 10 08:39:15 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 9 12:27:56 2019. They're generally smarter in other things other than railroads and rapid transit. |
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