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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 1 08:02:12 2019 The Orange M has now been around longer than the V ever was. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 1 08:14:22 2019, in response to M-iversary, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 1 08:02:12 2019. "V" stood for "Vacant". |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jun 1 08:54:51 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 1 08:14:22 2019. The only people who lost out on the deal were the 4th ave local riders... now that we're flush with cars for the first time in ages, they should extend the W to 9th Ave during the rush hour. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 1 09:27:13 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jun 1 08:54:51 2019. They'll claim R train load factors don't call for it. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 1 10:01:03 2019, in response to M-iversary, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 1 08:02:12 2019. Orangeit's a shout out to Trump. Maybe a lot of Republicans live along the M line! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 1 10:08:35 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 1 10:01:03 2019. What about Orange County? |
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Sat Jun 1 10:34:15 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 1 10:01:03 2019. 
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Jun 1 10:48:31 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jun 1 08:54:51 2019. Hell, bring back the West End Short Line, a service that went back to street running days. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 1 11:28:43 2019, in response to M-iversary, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 1 08:02:12 2019. That is great news. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 1 11:30:27 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 1 10:01:03 2019. No it isn't, #37. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jun 1 11:34:40 2019, in response to M-iversary, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 1 08:02:12 2019. Moe has made it big now. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 1 11:55:25 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jun 1 11:34:40 2019. I thought he made it big here. (Whoever thought of this show must've been on very powerful drugs.) |
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Posted by W.B. on Sat Jun 1 12:25:39 2019, in response to M-iversary, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 1 08:02:12 2019. And definitely longer than the KK / K. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 1 12:44:04 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by W.B. on Sat Jun 1 12:25:39 2019. They built that Essex street connection for the KK. It lasted about 6 or 7 years, then they said fuck it, and that was that for 35 years.I suppose the Nassau Street connection will be back in 25 years or so. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jun 1 13:25:14 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jun 1 11:34:40 2019. Yes indeed!
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 1 14:22:20 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jun 1 13:25:14 2019. Is that the song they're playing in this setting? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jun 1 16:30:04 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 1 14:22:20 2019. Looks more like Shemp and the Limelights!:) |
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Posted by The silence on Sat Jun 1 16:45:23 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jun 1 08:54:51 2019. And the overall capacity on QB and 6th given they traded 600’ trains for 480’ |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jun 1 17:11:28 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by The silence on Sat Jun 1 16:45:23 2019. It was unused capacity. The V was never full, even in the rush hour direction. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 1 18:53:38 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jun 1 16:30:04 2019. Think "Raw Power". |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jun 1 19:10:56 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by AlM on Sat Jun 1 17:11:28 2019. Heck the middle cars of the M are rarely full in the Queensbound direction during rush hour.The part that's packed is the part that can't have 600' trains. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jun 2 05:01:59 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jun 1 16:30:04 2019. sZemp spends more time catching Zzzzzs.:) |
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Posted by W.B. on Sun Jun 2 11:41:38 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jun 2 05:01:59 2019. I would have taken Shemp to be more into Uriah Heep. After all, when sleeping he emits all those rapid fire "Heepheepheepheepheepheepheep's." |
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Posted by VictorM on Tue Jun 4 18:12:31 2019, in response to M-iversary, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 1 08:02:12 2019. Not quite. In another month it will be true. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 4 20:16:55 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by VictorM on Tue Jun 4 18:12:31 2019. That is false. The V lasted from December 17, 2001 until June ?, 2010, a period of about 8 years and 6 months. The Orange M has now been running for just over 8 years and 11 months. It doesn’t need to reach its ninth anniversary because the V never did. |
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Posted by VictorM on Tue Jun 4 20:50:37 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 4 20:16:55 2019. Yes, you're right. The Orange M has been running for almost 9 years. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Jun 5 11:46:59 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jun 1 19:10:56 2019. Not on any M I've used.The M is one of those routes that has a rush hour service in both directions. 6th ave Uptown towards Queens..and 6th Ave Downtown towards Queens. Overall,the New M is better than the old. However, there is still a need for Eastern/Southern Division connectivity. Canal st is STILL Horrendously dangerous due to Lack of through service. Not to mention the current issues with the R along 4th ave. I didn't want to mention it,but there is scuttlebutt in the transit wind,concerning the lack of storage/yard space and the R179. I overheard a few TA suits talking about this,and one said "the issue is being worked out. We're talking about running J trains south to BayRidge,taking care of 2 problems at once." Two problems? Storage and reliability? Additional service along 4th ave via J,and additional storage space for J/Z cars? Makes sense BASED on need. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jun 5 12:20:39 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jun 1 19:10:56 2019. The part that's packed is the part that can't have 600' trains.Does the Brooklyn portion of the M get packed sometimes? My personal experience with the M is almost all between 14th and 47th-50th. In the PM, it tends to be quite full there but not packed, with a major emptying out for the L at 14th. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 5 12:46:15 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by AlM on Wed Jun 5 12:20:39 2019. He was referring to the Brooklyn part of the M as "the part that can't have 600' trains." |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jun 5 13:24:32 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 5 12:46:15 2019. I know. I was asking if it gets packed, since I don't know of my own accord. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Jun 5 13:31:44 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by Edwards! on Wed Jun 5 11:46:59 2019. I agree. The Orange M certainly seems to be one of the best routings they ever came up with, even if it was sadly born out of a service cut. At least it was a silver lining.At the same time, I also agree that there should at east be rush hour service between 4th Avenue and the Nassau Street line. In the final years of the Brown M, I definitely saw ridership between Broad Street and Brooklyn, but almost no through riders between Court Street and Marcy Avenue, so my thought would be to revive the Brown R to Chambers Street, but this time, give it its own letter- maybe P or Y or X. However, if turning/storing J trains is becoming problematic, then maybe what we really need is what you heard about- basically a reincarnation of the RJ. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Jun 5 14:20:14 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by Edwards! on Wed Jun 5 11:46:59 2019. Earlier this year, Bay Ridge Councilman Justin Brannan, Congressman Max Rose and a couple other Bay Ridge area pols wrote to Andy Byford with the suggestion to split the Brooklyn part of the R off from the rest. Yes, split it off! Might be crazy enough to work... |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jun 5 14:52:18 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Jun 5 14:20:14 2019. Could Whitehall St handle a relaying of both R & W trains ? I think not.The northbound J/Z may not be so reliable if they all had to come from Bay Ridge. They had one think right in 1967, which is one of the things they ironically got rid of, and maybe do again - starting the 5 RJ's out of Jamaica somewhere in the 530- 630am period between the last overnight JJ and first daytime QJ, which become peak direction trains from Bay Ridge, dropping out at either Eastern Pkwy or 168th Jamaica. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Jun 5 15:29:33 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Jun 5 13:31:44 2019. The R’s services woes aren’t limited to just rush hours. They happen around the clock. That’s why I think if the J or another service from Nassau St is going to be extended to Bay Ridge, it’s going to have to run more than just during rush hours.Maybe make the “Brown R” the primary 4th Ave local. In fact, I’ll even suggest pulling an “Orange M” here and call THIS service the R and call the Forest Hills-Whitehall route P or a different letter. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Jun 5 15:40:38 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by Joe V on Wed Jun 5 14:52:18 2019. Of course, Whitehall can’t turn both the R (or P in this case) and W. So I’m going to suggest extending the W to Bay Ridge as the secondary 4th Ave local (with the rerouted R to Essex or Chambers as the primary). I’m also going to suggest installing two switches south of 86th St/4th Ave so that W trains can use the middle track between 86th and 95th to relay. That should address any issues with 95th Street turning two services. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jun 5 16:16:14 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Jun 5 15:29:33 2019. 2 Sundays again, I arrive Dekalb southbound on a Q. We were 2 minutes early and sat for that time. An R was across the platform with doors open as we got there, and as we left. I doubt it was early. The dispatchers were fucking around. They already have all 3 4th Avenue trains cut back to 12 minute intervals. |
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Posted by qveensboro_plaza on Wed Jun 5 16:22:20 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Jun 5 15:40:38 2019. What happens to Queens Boulevard - 60th Street tunnel service if the R is redeployed to Nassau Street? |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jun 5 16:35:01 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by qveensboro_plaza on Wed Jun 5 16:22:20 2019. A new route added. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Jun 5 18:24:13 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by qveensboro_plaza on Wed Jun 5 16:22:20 2019. It would get a different letter. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jun 6 02:34:54 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by Joe V on Wed Jun 5 14:52:18 2019. The RJ was suppose to be the original through service, pretty much replacing the RR outright.The QT would have remained as the Broadway Local to Astoria. What made them change the plan was a mystery. However, Today we are looking for a way to bring additional service to 4th ave riders,bring back a safer option for Canal st transfers,and solve the train storage issues. Having the J line operate out of 95th st 4th ave will in fact kill two out of three problems that wreck 4th ave local service. Some overnight J trains could stored at either Coney Island or 38th street yards. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 6 03:02:39 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by Edwards! on Thu Jun 6 02:34:54 2019. Yet they wasted no time in getting ride of the RJ (sort of), making it a Banker's RR Special of 5 trains, theoretically to Chambers, in reality to Metro Av or ENY. Then they extended the QJ from Brighton Branch to Coney Island making its long run even longer.They have storage issues because they really should have scrapped the R42's by now. 3 trains are in ENY with 1 that gets out every day, the rest are in storage in Pitkin. Only half the R32's are out everyday for the A&C. They should send an R32 set to the J train. They expected Bay Ridge and SI people headed to Wall Street to take the Ferry or transfer to the IRT at Atlantic Av, not re-congest the BMT Canal St complex. TA did not understand customer decisions. They may or may not need additional 4th AVe locals based on loads. Dispatching incompetence needs to be addressed. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jun 6 12:39:15 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Jun 5 18:24:13 2019. They would probably bring back the V as a line designation. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jun 6 12:53:00 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 6 03:02:39 2019. Initially, the RR bankers specials (which the road staff continued to call RJs) all laid up to Chambers St. This was done at the same time the QJs were extended to Stl and the off hour JJ designation was eliminated. When The M started running along the Brighton Line replacing the QJ, traffic checks revealed that additional service was needed out of Met, so the first RR Nassau was sent to Met to make service. In the PM an early M layup was operated as the last RR Nassau special. Similar line swapping was done between the QBs and the RRs when the RR was the only service out of Astoria. The firs 2 QBs operated through to Astoria and returning S/B, one all the way to 95 St and the other laying up at Canal St. In the PM the first 2 RR layups at Astoria one of which was the one that laid up at Canal in the AM turned S/B to make the last 2 QBs. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jun 6 15:55:24 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by randyo on Thu Jun 6 12:39:15 2019. Oy Vay! |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Fri Jun 7 09:37:50 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by randyo on Thu Jun 6 12:39:15 2019. Sure, V is a perfectly good designation. It would also be a somewhat of a nod to the former QBL V service. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Jun 8 07:34:01 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Jun 5 13:31:44 2019. As I have said before, I would do it as either a "Brown (K)" or making the (Z) its own line and have it run 95th Street-Essex at all times with scheduled in service yard runs to and from Broadway Junction that are noted as such in the schedule. This also would eliminate the need for the late-night (R) to Whitehall as anyone looking for Whitehall specifically can take the K/Z to anywhere from 59th Street to Court and anywhere take the (N) from there to Whitehall. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Jun 8 09:24:26 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Jun 5 13:31:44 2019. Yes.As I said previously, the J is the ideal candidate to reestablish the service. reliability increases with better connectivity. No need to relable ,or make a new line. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Jun 8 09:32:40 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by randyo on Thu Jun 6 12:53:00 2019. I use to see those Metropolitan R trains. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jun 8 10:52:48 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by Edwards! on Sat Jun 8 09:24:26 2019. The only problem I can see with making the R a sort of “R/J” service is that it would be restricted to 8 car trains of 60 footers. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jun 8 11:07:46 2019, in response to Re: M-iversary, posted by randyo on Sat Jun 8 10:52:48 2019. Is the R in Brooklyn ever so full it really needs 10 cars? |
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