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IRT|IND Park Avenue Line

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 21 14:08:23 2019

Metropolitan transportation, a program for action. Report to Nelson A. Rockefeller, Governor of New York.

Third Avenue Elevated Replacement $95

The Third Avenue elevated is a slow, obsolete, blighting structure, much of it built before the turn of the century. The present service is a shuttle operation which is unsatisfactory, requiring an inconvenient transfer at 149th Street. The Third Avenue elevated will be replaced with a modern rapid transit line with through service to Manhattan. It is recommended that this be done by constructing extra trackage adjacent to the Penn Central Railroad on Park Avenue. The replacement transit route could connect with either the new Second Avenue subway or the existing IRT subway.

Efforts should be undertaken to coordinate this replacement with a renewal program to improve the environment of the Third Avenue-Park Avenue corridor. This might include covering over the exposed railroad cut. The renewal program will require separate financing.


So here goes: Is there actually room for two additional tracks on the MN ROW?

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Re: IRT|IND Park Avenue Line

Posted by AlM on Tue May 21 14:58:43 2019, in response to IRT|IND Park Avenue Line, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 21 14:08:23 2019.

As far south as 59th Street, sure. Park Ave is much more than 4 tracks wide. South of 59th, no, because the railroad expands to use more and more space, and actually extends well into mid block.

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Re: IRT|IND Park Avenue Line

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 21 17:25:35 2019, in response to Re: IRT|IND Park Avenue Line, posted by AlM on Tue May 21 14:58:43 2019.

Thank you for that completely irrelevant response.

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Re: IRT|IND Park Avenue Line

Posted by Edwards! on Tue May 21 18:30:33 2019, in response to Re: IRT|IND Park Avenue Line, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 21 17:25:35 2019.

In the Park Avenue Bronx cut,there is no room for an extra trackage.
In this case,the TA was going to do one of two things.

Build an line above the cut...or use two of the tracks for local service.

They would have been better off just rebuilding the elevated structure @bove 3rd Avenue proper.

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Re: IRT|IND Park Avenue Line

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 22 09:44:10 2019, in response to Re: IRT|IND Park Avenue Line, posted by Edwards! on Tue May 21 18:30:33 2019.

Thank you.

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Re: IRT|IND Park Avenue Line

Posted by AlM on Wed May 22 10:33:03 2019, in response to Re: IRT|IND Park Avenue Line, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 21 17:25:35 2019.

Oh, wrong Park Avenue. :)



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Re: IRT|IND Park Avenue Line

Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed May 22 11:27:07 2019, in response to Re: IRT|IND Park Avenue Line, posted by AlM on Wed May 22 10:33:03 2019.

Are you serious?

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Re: IRT|IND Park Avenue Line

Posted by AlM on Wed May 22 11:59:12 2019, in response to Re: IRT|IND Park Avenue Line, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed May 22 11:27:07 2019.

Yes, I didn't read up the thread carefully enough and thought the reference was to Park Ave. in Manhattan, not Park Ave. in the Bronx. Why else would I have given the response I did?



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Re: IRT|IND Park Avenue Line

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 22 12:32:48 2019, in response to Re: IRT|IND Park Avenue Line, posted by AlM on Wed May 22 11:59:12 2019.

Thread? Yours was the first response to the first post.

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Re: IRT|IND Park Avenue Line

Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed May 22 12:57:35 2019, in response to Re: IRT|IND Park Avenue Line, posted by AlM on Wed May 22 11:59:12 2019.

Im not going to belabor this. I'll take your word for it.

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Re: IRT|IND Park Avenue Line

Posted by AlM on Thu May 23 05:35:49 2019, in response to Re: IRT|IND Park Avenue Line, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 22 12:32:48 2019.

OK.

By the way, might there not be the possibility of ripping out Park Ave (Bronx) completely, thus easily making room for 6 tracks, then decking over the whole thing and putting a new Park Ave. on top of the decking?



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