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7 Line ATO Yes or No?

Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Tue May 14 07:36:22 2019

Did the TA stop ATO on the 7 for trains overshooting the stop marker?
I saw something on NY1 but haven't followed up.
Well at least they can't blame the T/O.

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Re: 7 Line ATO Yes or No?

Posted by Dave on Tue May 14 08:23:33 2019, in response to 7 Line ATO Yes or No?, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Tue May 14 07:36:22 2019.

Read the same thing in a Facebook group today.

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Re: 7 Line ATO Yes or No?

Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue May 14 08:46:18 2019, in response to Re: 7 Line ATO Yes or No?, posted by Dave on Tue May 14 08:23:33 2019.

Overshoot

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Re: 7 Line ATO Yes or No?

Posted by chicagomotorman on Tue May 14 08:46:39 2019, in response to 7 Line ATO Yes or No?, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Tue May 14 07:36:22 2019.

Motorman.

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Re: 7 Line ATO Yes or No?

Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue May 14 08:48:01 2019, in response to Re: 7 Line ATO Yes or No?, posted by chicagomotorman on Tue May 14 08:46:39 2019.

New York City calls them T/O , (Train Operators).

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Re: 7 Line ATO Yes or No?

Posted by Jsun21 on Tue May 14 10:05:06 2019, in response to 7 Line ATO Yes or No?, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Tue May 14 07:36:22 2019.

"failure to monitor/supervise" "you didn't have your train under control"

I wouldn't immediately assume the T/Os were absolved. But who knows.

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Re: 7 Line ATO Yes or No?

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 11:57:39 2019, in response to Re: 7 Line ATO Yes or No?, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue May 14 08:48:01 2019.

Motorman til the day I die!

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Re: 7 Line ATO Yes or No?

Posted by chicagomotorman on Tue May 14 12:49:22 2019, in response to Re: 7 Line ATO Yes or No?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 11:57:39 2019.

IAWTLP

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Re: 7 Line ATO Yes or No?

Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue May 14 14:05:26 2019, in response to Re: 7 Line ATO Yes or No?, posted by chicagomotorman on Tue May 14 12:49:22 2019.

I also like the "motorman" title.

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Re: 7 Line ATO Yes or No?

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue May 14 15:59:37 2019, in response to Re: 7 Line ATO Yes or No?, posted by Jsun21 on Tue May 14 10:05:06 2019.

Who knows is right.

Knowing the culture they probably still blamed the motorman by telling him (her) "Once you noticed the train might not stop at the 11 car marker, why didn't you immediately take over operation".

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Re: 7 Line ATO Yes or No?

Posted by Mr RT on Wed May 15 04:34:51 2019, in response to Re: 7 Line ATO Yes or No?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue May 14 15:59:37 2019.

That was my first thought.
I have to assume that the motorman was given some kind of instruction in this regard. Otherwise why are they in the cab ?

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Re: 7 Line ATO Yes or No?

Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed May 15 05:53:01 2019, in response to Re: 7 Line ATO Yes or No?, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue May 14 14:05:26 2019.

Now "Button Pusher"

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Re: 7 Line ATO Yes or No?

Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed May 15 10:07:38 2019, in response to Re: 7 Line ATO Yes or No?, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed May 15 05:53:01 2019.

Thank you, Lou from Brooklyn. High tech........automatic stuff , until it fails.

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Re: 7 Line ATO Yes or No?

Posted by Jsun21 on Wed May 15 15:06:14 2019, in response to Re: 7 Line ATO Yes or No?, posted by Mr RT on Wed May 15 04:34:51 2019.

From what I'm being told, the train wasn't overshooting but would be skipping the stop entirely. So it may be that the TO did notice, but a lot of things could have happened.

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Re: 7 Line ATO Yes or No?

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed May 15 15:22:24 2019, in response to Re: 7 Line ATO Yes or No?, posted by Jsun21 on Wed May 15 15:06:14 2019.

Just figured out how easy it would be for a T/O to get away with skipping a stop once he realizes he's going to overshoot:

1. Two toots on the horn
2. PA (or intercom): Hey partner we gotta skip
3. Spin a tale about police activity over the PA

No one will give enough of a crap to actually try and verify that claim, they just want a reason even if it's bullshit.

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Re: 7 Line ATO Yes or No?

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed May 15 15:32:01 2019, in response to Re: 7 Line ATO Yes or No?, posted by Mr RT on Wed May 15 04:34:51 2019.

Emergency braking in case there is debris on the roadbed or if someone jumps in front of a train as it's entering a station.

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Re: 7 Line ATO Yes or No?

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed May 15 15:33:48 2019, in response to Re: 7 Line ATO Yes or No?, posted by Jsun21 on Wed May 15 15:06:14 2019.

Therefore, why did a train stop with 4 cars out of a station if it was actually skipping it?

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Re: 7 Line ATO Yes or No?

Posted by Jsun21 on Wed May 15 15:40:53 2019, in response to Re: 7 Line ATO Yes or No?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed May 15 15:33:48 2019.

Because the T/o presumably intervened.

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Re: 7 Line ATO Yes or No?

Posted by Jsun21 on Wed May 15 15:46:30 2019, in response to Re: 7 Line ATO Yes or No?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed May 15 15:22:24 2019.

All you need is one 'I wanna speak to the manager' type, the passengers on the platform would be tweeting before you even got on the PA. The last thing you want to get hit with is Malfeasance, or what ever its called on the Subway side.

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Re: 7 Line ATO Yes or No?

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed May 15 15:50:17 2019, in response to Re: 7 Line ATO Yes or No?, posted by Jsun21 on Wed May 15 15:46:30 2019.

Regular riders have developed an instinct to know that two short horn blasts means the train is skipping. You can see their hopeful faces turn to disappointment long before the train reaches the end of the platform and continues.

Not saying it's impossible, but unless someone famous tweets about it, their complaints will get lost in the shuffle of hundreds of legitimate train bypass situation complaints.

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Re: 7 Line ATO Yes or No?

Posted by MainR3664 on Thu May 16 03:13:58 2019, in response to Re: 7 Line ATO Yes or No?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed May 15 15:50:17 2019.

Back in 1997, in a PM rush, I was on a Bronx-bound 1 or 9 that skipped every stop between 145th and Dyckman (there was some crazy situation that day). People on the platforms gave us far more than disappointed looks- many of them flipped us off as we went by, horn tooting.

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