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Re: Speed

Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Apr 25 03:48:45 2019, in response to Re: Speed, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Apr 25 03:46:37 2019.

Ah, Ok, I forgot about that, my bad.

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Re: Speed

Posted by AlM on Thu Apr 25 06:41:35 2019, in response to Re: Speed, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Apr 25 03:46:37 2019.

Farmers have enough sense to stay in bed at night

But long haul truckers working in 2-person crews don't. I'm surprised.




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Re: Speed

Posted by italianstallion on Thu Apr 25 08:06:17 2019, in response to Re: Speed, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 24 16:53:29 2019.

I'm responding to posters here who claim it's soooooo hard to deal with Celsius. It's not hard at all if you grew up with it. The rest of the world thinks Fahrenheit is ridiculously arbitrary and difficult.

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Re: Speed

Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 25 13:50:10 2019, in response to Re: Speed, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Apr 24 14:05:55 2019.

Probably no more distractions that talking to another person in the car.

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Re: Speed

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Apr 25 14:01:08 2019, in response to Re: Speed, posted by randyo on Thu Apr 25 13:50:10 2019.

"Probably no more distractions that talking to another person in the car."


Huh? When you talk to another person in the car, you don't have to take your eyes off the road. Think tour buses with the bus driver yakkin away at the tourists aboard while watching the road. Texting and receiving texts requires looking at the phone making texting w/o taking your eyes off the road is impossible. Thats the killer.

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Re: Speed

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Apr 25 15:21:54 2019, in response to Speed, posted by Baltimorerail on Mon Apr 22 13:40:13 2019.

With spur-cut gears, you could tell how fast you were going by the gear pitch. A-440 on the R-1/9s equated to ~45 mph.

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Re: Speed

Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 25 15:26:37 2019, in response to Re: Speed, posted by Express Rider on Wed Apr 24 13:42:59 2019.

I was just making comparison between the Chicago cars and the BMT el cars since by the time of the first 4000s the state of the art for braking was AMU with M-23 brake valves. Although I don’t have any hard info, It’s highly possible that the older Chicago el cars may have had the AML brake system since being pneumatic only, cars with both brake systems could be operated in the same train. The few Chicago wooden museum cars I have seen have the same motor control and brake systems as the 4000s but I was told that the original controllers were similar to the BMT el cars (described to me as “elevator type). According to what I saw somewhere, the Manhattan el cars and as originally delivered the Gibbs and deck roof Hi-Vs ad Christensen brakes and not Westinghouse although I can’t understand the advantage of going to a non WABCO manufacturer since WABCO owned all the air brake patents at the time. From the photos I have seen of MP-41 engineers’ cabs, the LIRR MP-41s also had Christensen brakes. Initially, both IRT el and subway equipment had Van Dorn link and pin couplers as did the BMT el cars. As the state of the art progressed, electro pneumatic brake systems and semi automatic couplers were developed and installed on the IRT subway fleet. I suspect, they weren’t installed on the el fleet due to weigh considerations. By around 1910, all the IRT subway cars were equipped with E/P brakes and semi automatic couplers. The F and J drawheads as used on the IRT were not fully automatic even though they included air connections in the coupler head as the angle cocks had tp be opened and closed manually when coupling or uncoupling. When the Composites were transferred to the els, several modifications were made. The original Hi-V controls and AMRE brakes with ME-21 brake valves were replaced by Lo-V controls and AMUE brakes with ME-23 brake valves. The trucks were replaced with maximum traction (1 motor per truck instead of 2) to spread the weigh for use on el structures. The original transverse cabs which were similar to the Gibbs cars were modified with the original end door being used as a cab door and sliding end doors added. The original controls, brake equipment and trucks were installed under new steel bodies the IRT recently purchases and these became the Flivvers. The manual 12 point Hi-V series/multiple controllers were retooled as 3 point Lo-V controllers with automatic acceleration. Some of the old time IRT el men mentioned that there was a train of MUDC Manhattan el cars that was outfitted with electro pneumatic brakes but I was never able to get any further info about it or which type of E/P brakes were installed.

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Re: Speed

Posted by Andrew Saucci on Thu Apr 25 17:29:55 2019, in response to Re: Speed, posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Apr 23 17:38:19 2019.

I also forgot to mention that I altered the bookmark I have for the National Weather Service forecast for my area. If you add &unit=1 to the end of the URL, the forecast is completely converted to metric. Neat little trick for smart folks like me.

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Re: Speed

Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 25 22:12:30 2019, in response to Re: Speed, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Apr 25 14:01:08 2019.

He was talking about voice texting which doesn’t require actually touching anything but the steering wheel.

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Re: Speed

Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Apr 26 02:51:09 2019, in response to Re: Speed, posted by Andrew Saucci on Thu Apr 25 17:29:55 2019.

Nice! Thanks, Andrew Saucci

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Re: Speed

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Apr 26 03:09:58 2019, in response to Re: Speed, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Apr 24 15:06:40 2019.

"She's real fine, my 409..."

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Re: Speed

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Apr 26 03:13:36 2019, in response to Re: Speed, posted by randyo on Thu Apr 25 15:26:37 2019.

Before the State St. subway opened, it was common practice to intermix 4000s with wooden L cars in the same train. With the opening of the subway, all the 4000s were rounded up systemwide and quite possibly for the first time, ran in solid consists.

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Re: Speed

Posted by AlM on Fri Apr 26 03:19:31 2019, in response to Re: Speed, posted by randyo on Thu Apr 25 13:50:10 2019.

Studies have shown talking on a hands-free cell phone is very distracting.


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Re: Speed

Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Apr 26 03:28:24 2019, in response to Re: Speed, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Apr 26 03:09:58 2019.

Sure was......... that thing was a rocket!


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Re: Speed

Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 26 03:51:47 2019, in response to Re: Speed, posted by AlM on Fri Apr 26 03:19:31 2019.

it depends on what the brain is focused on.

Focus on the road OK,
Focus on a distraction and it is not ok.

When traffic or weather is difficult, I want no distractions in the cockpit, and tell pax to be quiet, I am working on driving the cah.

ROAR

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Re: Speed

Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 26 03:57:26 2019, in response to Re: Speed, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Apr 25 15:21:54 2019.

So now, besides driving a train, you have to have perfect pitch.

Same thing here in the wintertime. You can tell how cold it is by the pitch of the crunching snow underfoot.

Now a perfect pitch is when you toss an accordion and it smashes a harmonica.

ROAR

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Re: Speed

Posted by AlM on Fri Apr 26 05:07:52 2019, in response to Re: Speed, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 26 03:51:47 2019.

I have no doubt that careful drivers can control the distraction of talking on a cell phone. But many just don't do it.



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Re: Speed

Posted by AlM on Fri Apr 26 05:48:12 2019, in response to Re: Speed, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 26 03:57:26 2019.

Heh. Charles Schultz already made the joke about the two meanings of "perfect pitch" 60 years ago.


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Re: Speed

Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 26 14:16:22 2019, in response to Re: Speed, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Apr 26 03:13:36 2019.

Yet in NY the PSC frowned on the IRT’s practice of mixing Composite trailers in trains with Gibbs and other steel Hi-V motors.

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Re: Speed

Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 26 14:21:23 2019, in response to Re: Speed, posted by AlM on Fri Apr 26 05:07:52 2019.

There is a difference between actually holding a device in your hand and virtually talking into the air.

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Re: Speed

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Apr 27 03:44:58 2019, in response to Re: Speed, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 26 14:21:23 2019.

I canhold what ever I want in my hand, an nice ice cream cone comes to mind,

and talking to it, because once you start talking to it half of your mind is elsewhjere.

Sure on a nice clear interstate, that is one thing,

but on city streets in a snowy blizard that is an udder thing.

$500 and 15 points fro running into the back of a snow plow.

ROARING

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Re: Speed

Posted by AlM on Sat Apr 27 03:54:23 2019, in response to Re: Speed, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 26 14:21:23 2019.

Yes there is a difference. But there is lots of evidence that many drivers are significantly distracted by talking into the air as well.

Some people just don't do well at ignoring the caller when serious traffic demands occur. It's easier to do that when a real person is sitting in the seat next to you because you know they know that you can't pay close attention right now.



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Re: Speed

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Apr 27 05:32:37 2019, in response to Re: Speed, posted by italianstallion on Thu Apr 25 08:06:17 2019.

Even if you didn't grow up with Celsius, it's still perfectly manageable. For me, it was (more or less):

Below 0 = Freezing
0 - 10 = Heavy Coat
10 - 20 = Light Jacket
20 - 30 = No Jacket
30 - 40 = Dress as light as possible

0 = 32 is an easy conversion to remember, and perhaps 10 = 50 is even easier. But I remembered even a few more, and I could basically do the conversion one way or the other within a normal range of NY temperatures in 3 seconds or less reliably.

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Re: Speed

Posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Apr 27 06:04:45 2019, in response to Re: Speed, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Apr 27 05:32:37 2019.

Like!

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Re: Speed

Posted by AlM on Sat Apr 27 06:11:50 2019, in response to Re: Speed, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Apr 27 05:32:37 2019.

The hardest challenge, to me, was figuring out how much gas was costing me per mile in Canada.

Different dollars, different lengths, different volumes.



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Re: Speed

Posted by italianstallion on Sat Apr 27 11:57:55 2019, in response to Re: Speed, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Apr 27 05:32:37 2019.

Good post.

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Re: Speed

Posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Apr 27 12:24:23 2019, in response to Re: Speed, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Apr 27 05:32:37 2019.

F=9/5C +32.... F=9/5x10 +32 , F=50

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Re: Speed

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 27 13:33:20 2019, in response to Re: Speed, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Apr 23 08:01:02 2019.

I hate getting my earballs mixed up with my eyedrums.

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Re: Speed

Posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Sat Apr 27 16:14:29 2019, in response to Re: Speed, posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Apr 27 12:24:23 2019.

And don't forget: -40C is the same as -40F.

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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Apr 27 17:23:53 2019, in response to Re: Speed, posted by italianstallion on Thu Apr 25 08:06:17 2019.

Both Celsius and Fahrenheit are arbitrary for the numbers humans actually care about, save for freezing point. The difference is, Celsius is too granular to use at whole degree increments. It's bad enough that hotel thermostats in Celsius actually need to use half degree increments, because the difference between 23 and 24 degrees is massive. Weatherfolk have an easier job in Celsius, because saying the weather is "23 degrees C" is the equivalent of saying it is "73-74 degrees F". Put people would laugh at a weatherman taking such broad stabs here, but it's done every day in Celsiusland.

If Celsius was, instead, 0=freezing and 200=boiling, I would say it was a better system than F.

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Re: Speed

Posted by AlM on Sat Apr 27 17:32:57 2019, in response to Re: Speed, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Apr 27 17:23:53 2019.

And even better would be 0=freezing and 419=boiling. :)



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Re: Speed

Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Apr 27 17:34:50 2019, in response to Re: Speed, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Apr 27 05:32:37 2019.

One easy one is that -11 degrees Celsius happens to be about 11 degrees Fahrenheit. 20 is close to what most people would consider "room temperature." But once you read the forecast every day in metric, shut off the radio and TV (next to worthless anyway apart from the frenzied weather forecasts that basically implore everyone to hide under the covers for a few sprinkles or flurries or a gust of wind), and obtain exclusively metric thermometers, it's all easy street after that.

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Re: Speed

Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Apr 27 17:36:14 2019, in response to Re: Speed, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Sat Apr 27 16:14:29 2019.

If the temperature ever gets that low, my brain cells will probably be too frozen to remember that one anyway. I think I'd rather forget that one. :)

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Re: Speed

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 27 19:00:16 2019, in response to Re: Speed, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Apr 27 17:34:50 2019.

The only obstacle to switching to Celsius for me (since I don't watch TV weather reports) is that I don't know how to change my car's climate control over.

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Re: Speed

Posted by Express Rider on Sun Apr 28 01:26:13 2019, in response to Re: Speed, posted by randyo on Thu Apr 25 15:26:37 2019.

Thank you for taking the time to post such a very detailed answer to my question. It is greatly appreciated, thanks again!!


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Re: Speed

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Apr 28 07:28:16 2019, in response to Re: Speed, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 27 19:00:16 2019.

I have no idea what "infotainment" system you have but mine has an all-or-nothing toggle in settings section of the UI ([ ] US / [ ] Metric) that will change climate control to Celsius, distance/speed to km (including the odometer), fuel economy to liters/100km, and enable 'French' as a language option for navigation. After switching it I can click the speedometer back to MPH but the cruise control will still only lock onto even numbered KPH.

I suspect it's really just enabling Canadian mode; I certainly use it as such, since I tick it on when driving around Quebec and Ontario.

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Re: Speed

Posted by AlM on Sun Apr 28 07:35:08 2019, in response to Re: Speed, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Apr 28 07:28:16 2019.

distance/speed to km (including the odometer)

Hopefully it changes your accumulated miles to km, and back to miles when you revert.





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Re: Speed

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Apr 28 07:59:39 2019, in response to Re: Speed, posted by AlM on Sun Apr 28 07:35:08 2019.

Yup, it does. Also changes other random stuff, like tire pressure to something other than 'freedom units'.

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Re: Speed

Posted by Michael549 on Sun Apr 28 08:26:18 2019, in response to Re: Speed, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Apr 28 07:59:39 2019.

I'm just hoping that with all of these changes - that the guys still put enough fuel into the airplanes before take off!

They have made mistakes in the past, resulting in too little fuel onboard.

Mike



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Re: Speed

Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Apr 28 10:12:22 2019, in response to Re: Speed, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Apr 28 07:28:16 2019.

Based on what I read about my own Toyota, it can be set back to metric permanently, since that is the default in the factory, but setting it back to English units after that would require dealer assistance.

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Re: Speed

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Apr 28 10:34:34 2019, in response to Re: Speed, posted by Michael549 on Sun Apr 28 08:26:18 2019.

yea... i saw that utube too.

ROAR

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Re: Speed

Posted by randyo on Sun Apr 28 13:51:29 2019, in response to Re: Speed, posted by Express Rider on Sun Apr 28 01:26:13 2019.

You’re quite welcome. By the way, as I often mention in my posts. the info I supply is based on what has been made available to me and if anyone out there has even more detailed info, please feel free to share it.

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