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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Apr 18 12:21:11 2019   The other side of the bridge  Whoa ! Talk about tight headways ! The 3rd Ave local tracks were reputedly not signaled, express tracks were. That circular object on the right is a cluster light fixture that shown light on the back end of the train in the station.  I see a two door Mercury there. What's that station wagon in front of it, Dodge or Plymouth ? Also, can anyone ID this station ?  Who needs a railfan window when you have an open storm door. I'll bet no one fell out of the back. Today they would drop their cell phone on the track. This must have been shortly after the Manhattan section was closed. I see the express track was platformed over.  Your comments and corrections are most welcome. I'm signing off now, my eyebrows are killing me !!! |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Apr 18 12:50:05 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] Unusual 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Apr 18 12:21:11 2019. lovely stuff, yet again. as to stormdoors... yes survival behavior was more rigorously taught. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Apr 18 12:52:05 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] Unusual 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Apr 18 12:21:11 2019. Bill: Thank you for a great collection of photographs. The last one shows an MUDC train at 149th Street after the center track had been boarded over. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by andy on Thu Apr 18 14:05:17 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] Unusual 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Apr 18 12:21:11 2019. Great shots!My guess for the photo location with the Mercury sedan and Plymouth/Dodge station wagon: 149th Street Station. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Apr 18 14:28:45 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] Unusual 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Apr 18 12:21:11 2019. Fantastic stuff! Thanks! |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Apr 18 14:37:05 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Unusual 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Apr 18 12:50:05 2019. lovely stuff, yet again. as to storm doors... yes survival behavior was more rigorously taught.Yes, it seems that generation valued their lives much more than today and took precautions. Today they would sue the TA for not locking the door shut. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Apr 18 14:39:08 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Unusual 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Apr 18 12:52:05 2019. Bill: Thank you for a great collection of photographs. The last one shows an MUDC train at 149th Street after the center track had been boarded over.Larry, RedbirdR33 Any idea what year could that be ? I understand the MUDC's ran on the Gun Hill Rd. - 149th St. route for a short time. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Apr 18 14:41:17 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Unusual 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Apr 18 14:28:45 2019. Fantastic stuff! Thanks!Thanks, the more pics we post by creating spirited discussion, the less chance we go back to the old days of flame wars and reefed posts. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Apr 18 14:59:29 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] Unusual 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Apr 18 12:21:11 2019. Mahvelous, simply mahvelous. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Thu Apr 18 16:43:38 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] Unusual 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Apr 18 12:21:11 2019. The old Gulf sign in the fifth photo dates that to the early 60's at the latest, for what that's worth. |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Apr 18 17:19:07 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Unusual 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by Andrew Saucci on Thu Apr 18 16:43:38 2019. Those autos look too old to be the early 60's. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Fri Apr 19 00:03:32 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] Unusual 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Apr 18 12:21:11 2019. Wonderful photos!Breathtaking.....! Agree with all the other posts, fan-transit-tastic! |
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Posted by Express Rider on Fri Apr 19 00:18:48 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] Unusual 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Apr 18 12:21:11 2019. 4th picture down - Q-cars were used in local and express service? |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Apr 19 02:53:53 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Unusual 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by Express Rider on Fri Apr 19 00:18:48 2019. 4th picture down - Q-cars were used in local and express service?From what I've learned, the Q's were the 3rd Ave expresses, but dead headed in the opposite direction on the local track. Perhaps that's why that Q was so close to the local. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Express Rider on Fri Apr 19 04:43:40 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Unusual 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Apr 19 02:53:53 2019. Thanks. That's what I thought/heard - that they were expresses and deadhaded in one direcction on the local track due to their weight.Looks like this Q might be in revenue service though, because, if you look at the Q, looks like you can see two kids at the RFW - their eyes just reaching over the window. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Apr 19 05:46:45 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Unusual 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Apr 18 14:41:17 2019. Thanks, the more pics we post by creating spirited discussion, the less chance we go back to the old days of flame wars and reefed posts. I couldn't agree more with you Bill. Keep up the good work. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Apr 19 05:53:57 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Unusual 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Apr 18 14:39:08 2019. Any idea what year could that be ? I understand the MUDC's ran on the Gun Hill Rd. - 149th St. route for a short time. Bill. The center track was taken out of service of September 24, 1954. I know from personal observation that work to board it over was well underway in the second half of October 1954. Revenue Third Avenue El service south of 149th Street ended on May 12, 1955. The use of the MUDC's and "Q's" continued until they were replaced by the Steinways on December 15, 1956. I don't know how long it took to construct the platform over the center track but lets say it took four months. So we are looking at a period from about February 1955 to December 1956. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Apr 19 05:53:58 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Unusual 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Apr 18 14:39:08 2019. Any idea what year could that be ? I understand the MUDC's ran on the Gun Hill Rd. - 149th St. route for a short time. Bill. The center track was taken out of service of September 24, 1954. I know from personal observation that work to board it over was well underway in the second half of October 1954. Revenue Third Avenue El service south of 149th Street ended on May 12, 1955. The use of the MUDC's and "Q's" continued until they were replaced by the Steinways on December 15, 1956. I don't know how long it took to construct the platform over the center track but lets say it took four months. So we are looking at a period from about February 1955 to December 1956. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Apr 19 06:49:52 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] Unusual 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Apr 18 12:21:11 2019. Cool |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Apr 19 08:03:36 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Unusual 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by Express Rider on Fri Apr 19 04:43:40 2019. That's what I thought/heard - that they were expresses and deadheaded in one direction on the local track due to their weight.Correct, about the weight issue. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Apr 19 08:06:11 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Unusual 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Apr 19 05:53:57 2019. The center track was taken out of service of September 24, 1954.Was that the end of the 3rd Ave expresses ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Apr 19 11:25:58 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Unusual 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Apr 19 08:06:11 2019. The center track was taken out of service of September 24, 1954. Was that the end of the 3rd Ave expresses ? No. Thru-Express service continued until May 12, 1955. However trains had to switch to the local tracks to stop at 149th Street. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 19 12:19:26 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Unusual 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by Andrew Saucci on Thu Apr 18 16:43:38 2019. The MUDCs were gone by the 1960s. I didn’t really pay attention, but some sources have mentioned that the MUDCs were removed from service first and the Qs provided service until replaced by the Steinways. I do know that by the summer of 1958 all service was provided by the Steinways since after my father died in July of that year my mother and I had to go to a Social Security office on Tremont Av near 3rd and we took the el to get there and the equipment used was steel IRT cars (at that time I didn’t know the names of the various types of subway equipment). |
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Posted by Alan Follett on Fri Apr 19 19:20:53 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Unusual 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by andy on Thu Apr 18 14:05:17 2019. 1953 Plymouth wagon, I believe.Alan Follett South San Francisco, CA |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sat Apr 20 05:09:10 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Unusual 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by Alan Follett on Fri Apr 19 19:20:53 2019. Good old Mopars. :) |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Apr 20 05:41:31 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Unusual 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by andy on Thu Apr 18 14:05:17 2019. Here's a wider view. 3rd Ave & 149th St photo below.  June 21, 1964  |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Apr 20 06:36:06 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Unusual 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Apr 20 05:41:31 2019. Thanks for the blow-up Bill. That was my home station for several years. I know it well. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Sat Apr 20 07:46:04 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Unusual 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Apr 20 06:36:06 2019. Same here Larry. That whole 149th street complex, both in and outside the fare-paid zone, was the best play ground for me & my friends. Connecting via tunnels, escalators and steps between subway and El. It was great. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Apr 20 07:50:08 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Unusual 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by r17-6599 on Sat Apr 20 07:46:04 2019. R-17: I lived in the area until 1959. Do you remember the double kiosks on the northwest side of 149th Street. One was for entrance and one for exit? There was a Liggett-Rexall Department store on the corner and a whole lot of buses as well. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Apr 20 07:50:11 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Unusual 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Apr 19 11:25:58 2019. Morning southbound 3rd Ave Thru-Express trains switched from the center express track to the local track, just north of 149th St. After stopping at the lower level of 143rd St, they used a former non-revenue ramp track to get to the upper level and continue south, like before. PM express trains did the reverse. The trackage from the upper level of 143rd St, through the center of 149th St, to the crossovers north of the station, were abandoned. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Apr 20 08:10:36 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Unusual 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Apr 20 06:36:06 2019. Larry, the houses on Eagle Ave, where our families lived, are they still there? |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Apr 20 08:31:59 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Unusual 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Apr 20 08:10:36 2019. Mike: My family lived at 689 Melrose Avenue and that building is still standing. MY mother had lived on Eagle Avenue but I don't know the address. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Apr 20 11:28:56 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Unusual 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Apr 20 08:31:59 2019. I seem to remember that my grandparents lived on Eagle Ave, near 152nd St. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Apr 20 12:03:49 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Unusual 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by r17-6599 on Sat Apr 20 07:46:04 2019. 
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Apr 20 12:46:23 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] Unusual 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Apr 18 12:21:11 2019.   April 22, 1973  3rd Ave & 155th St (April 14, 1973)  Bronx Borough Court House (April 14, 1973)  3rd & Brook Ave. (April 14, 1973)  |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Apr 20 12:56:27 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Unusual 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by r17-6599 on Sat Apr 20 07:46:04 2019. 
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Posted by randyo on Sat Apr 20 13:54:30 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Apr 20 12:46:23 2019. Although over the years, many sources have indicated that el structures blight neighborhoods by darkening streets, many photos I have seen including then ones from this group show that the sidewalks where most people walk have more than adequate sunlight. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Apr 20 14:25:34 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Apr 20 12:46:23 2019. Bill: I like the picture of the Bronx Borough Courthouse at 162nd Street. I had jury duty there once in the bad days of the 1970's. Talk about the wild west. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Apr 20 15:50:49 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by randyo on Sat Apr 20 13:54:30 2019. "many sources have indicated that el structures blight neighborhoods by darkening streets,"Such as real estate speculators & corrupt politicians. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Apr 20 18:28:07 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Apr 20 15:50:49 2019. Blight comes from people destroying their neighborhoods, not the trains that ran over them. Just look at the bustling neighborhoods under the #7 Line in Queens! |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Apr 20 18:29:01 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Apr 20 18:28:07 2019. They are thriving, even with the el there! |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Apr 20 18:43:42 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Apr 20 18:29:01 2019. My old neighborhood, 65th St & Roosevelt Ave in Woodside. Couldn't imagine Roosevelt Ave. without the El.
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Posted by r17-6599 on Sat Apr 20 21:37:50 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Unusual 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Apr 20 12:03:49 2019. This looks more like West Farms. That one was wood for a very long time. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Sat Apr 20 21:44:00 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Unusual 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Apr 20 07:50:08 2019. I lived on Courtlandt, off 150th. 578, still there, although changed somewhat. Grandparents owned a grocery at 602.I spent a lot of time at the turnstiles watching the IRT rumble in and out. Quite a surprise when an occasional 7th Ave Exp would come in with Worlds Fair Steinways, which I remembered from the shuttle and always thought they were BMT trains. Little did I realize the BMT cars were up on the El. Liggetts was superb. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Sat Apr 20 21:44:41 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Apr 20 14:25:34 2019. Any pics of the old Borough Hall on Tremont? |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Sat Apr 20 21:48:25 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Unusual 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Apr 20 12:56:27 2019. So glad Doug G captured this. I never did.The upstairs level was even more fascinating. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Apr 21 02:46:50 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Unusual 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by r17-6599 on Sat Apr 20 21:48:25 2019. So glad Doug G captured this. I never did.The upstairs level was even more fascinating. Thanks, you can see the fence gates in preparation of the el's closure. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Apr 21 09:30:38 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Unusual 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Apr 21 02:46:50 2019. Was that passageway converted for some other use, after the el's closing? |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Apr 21 12:46:58 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Unusual 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Apr 21 09:30:38 2019. Mike: The passageway remained open for some time after the el was torn down. It is now closed and sealed off though the passageways are probably still intact. Larry, RedbirdR33. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Apr 21 12:50:19 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] 3rd Ave el Pics, posted by r17-6599 on Sat Apr 20 21:44:41 2019. Any pics of the old Borough Hall on Tremont? I don't have any. It was on a hill and a great place to photograph the 3rd Avenue El. The building is now long gone. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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