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Re: flushing line isolation

Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 12 20:04:56 2019, in response to Re: flushing line isolation, posted by Express Rider on Fri Apr 12 02:15:00 2019.

That’s correct.

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Re: flushing line isolation

Posted by r17-6599 on Fri Apr 12 22:09:25 2019, in response to Re: flushing line isolation, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Apr 12 07:09:32 2019.

Also true.

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Re: flushing line isolation

Posted by gbs on Fri Apr 12 23:06:15 2019, in response to Re: flushing line isolation, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 12 19:50:10 2019.


Those switches aren't really new anymore, but they do allow for an easier move from the #7 line to the BMT tracks. Prior to their installation, a train from Flushing (or Corona) that needed to enter the upper level of QBP had to be on the express track from Woodside.

( This map from nycsubway.org shows the old configuration.)

Now a #7 train can approach QBP from either the express or local track (which merge), then crossover and enter QBP upper (wrong-railing), change ends, and crossover to the BMT. But they don't then change ends and wrong-rail through QBP upper on the BMT. Instead they continue north, switching to the middle track before 39 Av, then change ends and proceed normally on the south-bound track.

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Re: flushing line isolation

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Apr 13 10:22:07 2019, in response to Re: flushing line isolation, posted by gbs on Fri Apr 12 23:06:15 2019.

What I don't get is why go back to 39th Ave when they can continue on wrong rail beyond QBP to the switch by the mouth of the 60th st tunnel & switch over to the Manhattan Bound track there?

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Re: flushing line isolation

Posted by K. Trout on Sat Apr 13 13:47:30 2019, in response to Re: flushing line isolation, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Apr 13 10:22:07 2019.

Do they need to park there to have a lead car/work engine added on with correct trip shoes?

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Re: flushing line isolation

Posted by Handbrake on Sat Apr 13 13:51:20 2019, in response to Re: flushing line isolation, posted by randyo on Tue Apr 9 20:35:01 2019.

IRT #7 Flushing line train crew radios operate on B1/BMT Radio frequencies.

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Re: flushing line isolation

Posted by randyo on Sat Apr 13 16:38:14 2019, in response to Re: flushing line isolation, posted by AlM on Fri Apr 12 20:01:44 2019.

NYCT trains and M/N trains wouldn’t have been able to run on the same tracks anyhow due to FRA regulations.

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Re: flushing line isolation

Posted by randyo on Sat Apr 13 16:39:55 2019, in response to Re: flushing line isolation, posted by K. Trout on Sat Apr 13 13:47:30 2019.

The 4 tripcock cars would be on both ends of the train all the way from Corona Yd.

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Re: flushing line isolation

Posted by K. Trout on Sat Apr 13 16:44:44 2019, in response to Re: flushing line isolation, posted by randyo on Sat Apr 13 16:39:55 2019.

Makes sense.

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Re: flushing line isolation

Posted by italianstallion on Sat Apr 13 16:48:58 2019, in response to Re: flushing line isolation, posted by AlM on Fri Apr 12 20:00:53 2019.

Why is that so? Just build a transfer station somewhere where they can change to the subway line.

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Re: flushing line isolation

Posted by italianstallion on Sat Apr 13 16:50:21 2019, in response to Re: flushing line isolation, posted by randyo on Sat Apr 13 16:38:14 2019.

The ideas would be to use MNRR rolling stock as a quasi-subway to a terminus at 149th where there's a transfer to the 2, 4, 5.

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Re: flushing line isolation

Posted by Asgard on Sun Apr 14 00:32:28 2019, in response to Re: flushing line isolation, posted by AlM on Fri Apr 12 20:01:44 2019.

At the time this was proposed (early 1970s?), there was much less reverse commuting.

A 1969 employee's timetable shows 16 Harlem and 17 New Haven trains in the 5:00-6:00 hour.

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Re: flushing line isolation

Posted by Asgard on Sun Apr 14 00:38:48 2019, in response to Re: flushing line isolation, posted by Asgard on Sun Apr 14 00:32:28 2019.

I meant to specify *outbound* trains. Sorry.

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Re: flushing line isolation

Posted by randyo on Sun Apr 14 01:01:21 2019, in response to Re: flushing line isolation, posted by Handbrake on Sat Apr 13 13:51:20 2019.

I wasn't sure of they still did or not. They definitely did when I was in the Command Center in 1972 till 1976 when I picked out.

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Re: flushing line isolation

Posted by randyo on Sun Apr 14 01:04:36 2019, in response to Re: flushing line isolation, posted by italianstallion on Sat Apr 13 16:50:21 2019.

I though it was supposed to be one of the Bronx branches of the SAS.

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Re: flushing line isolation

Posted by FtgreeneG on Sun Apr 14 01:29:57 2019, in response to Re: flushing line isolation, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Apr 10 07:26:30 2019.

Also an indirect connection to Metro North's West of Hudson lines from GCT

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Re: flushing line isolation

Posted by FtgreeneG on Sun Apr 14 01:43:35 2019, in response to Re: flushing line isolation, posted by gbs on Fri Apr 12 23:06:15 2019.

There is no wrong railing done. A transfer from the 7 line to the BMT from the north involves these steps. I should know I've done it myself...
1. Train goes through QBP lower and continues
2. Train enters Hunters Point Ave station, change ends.
3. Goes over switch from Southbound to Northbound track
4. Heads back to QBP upper level.
5. Get bottom yellow switch from 7 line to N/W line routed to middle track as they call it Beebe Middle. Change ends.
6. Go south on BMT.

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Re: flushing line isolation

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Apr 14 10:15:58 2019, in response to Re: flushing line isolation, posted by K. Trout on Sat Apr 13 16:44:44 2019.

I actually witnessed a transfer during my 1999 visit (or was it 1994?) . Strange as it was during the PM peak. There was a R-33WF single at both ends bracketing to pairs of R-36WF. It delayed slightly a northbound 7 which was waiting just before the curve (I had transferred from the N at QBP, and was waiting for the 7 to go to 103, then Q23 to my hotel (Holiday Crown Plaza by LGA, which is no more).



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Re: flushing line isolation

Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Apr 15 08:21:47 2019, in response to Re: flushing line isolation, posted by FtgreeneG on Sun Apr 14 01:29:57 2019.

Hmmm... I don't know if that would have been popular.

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Re: flushing line isolation

Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Apr 15 08:22:58 2019, in response to Re: flushing line isolation, posted by Express Rider on Fri Apr 12 13:52:19 2019.

Offhand, I don't personally remember that, but I'll watch again..


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Re: flushing line isolation

Posted by randyo on Mon Apr 15 14:18:22 2019, in response to Re: flushing line isolation, posted by FtgreeneG on Sun Apr 14 01:43:35 2019.

At the time of nigh when the move is usually done, why can’t the move be wrong railed through Qnsbro Plz upper since I believe the signal system permits it?

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