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High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?

Posted by geoffc on Wed Jul 25 14:43:53 2018

Was looking at the map for High St/Brooklyn Bridge station on A/C line and I do not see any High St's nearby. Am I missing it? Or is this historical naming?

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Re: High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?

Posted by chuchubob on Wed Jul 25 14:50:29 2018, in response to High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?, posted by geoffc on Wed Jul 25 14:43:53 2018.

High Street is in Brooklyn.

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Re: High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?

Posted by chuchubob on Wed Jul 25 14:53:42 2018, in response to Re: High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?, posted by chuchubob on Wed Jul 25 14:50:29 2018.

It runs between Pearl Street and Jay Street.

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Re: High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?

Posted by AlM on Wed Jul 25 14:56:48 2018, in response to High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?, posted by geoffc on Wed Jul 25 14:43:53 2018.

Eliminated by the rebuilding immediately to the west of Cadman Plaza West? Looking at aerial and street view, that all looks like it's been redone in the last few decades.



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Re: High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?

Posted by Allan on Wed Jul 25 14:57:55 2018, in response to High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?, posted by geoffc on Wed Jul 25 14:43:53 2018.

High St is on the northeast side of the access road to/from the bridge.



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Re: High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 25 15:32:29 2018, in response to High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?, posted by geoffc on Wed Jul 25 14:43:53 2018.

High Street presently exists only between Pearl Street and Jay Street, entirely to the east of the station bearing that name. At the time the station opened in 1933 however, High Street extended between Fulton Street (now Cadman Plaza West) and Navy Street. It has all since been removed. Another segment exists between Cadman Plaza East (formerly Washington Street) and Adams Street southbound, directly above the station, but this has been renamed Red Cross Place.

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Re: High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 25 15:32:58 2018, in response to Re: High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?, posted by AlM on Wed Jul 25 14:56:48 2018.

you mean east?

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Re: High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?

Posted by AlM on Wed Jul 25 15:57:17 2018, in response to Re: High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 25 15:32:58 2018.

I meant west but in view of the much more enlightened comments by others, I should have meant east.


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Re: High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?

Posted by geoffc on Wed Jul 25 16:00:13 2018, in response to Re: High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?, posted by AlM on Wed Jul 25 14:56:48 2018.

So I am not missing it, it was replaced. Ok, historical name.

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Re: High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?

Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jul 25 22:06:46 2018, in response to Re: High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?, posted by chuchubob on Wed Jul 25 14:53:42 2018.

It originally ran farther west to the Sands St el complex.

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Re: High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?

Posted by Union Tpke on Mon Apr 15 06:36:43 2019, in response to High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?, posted by geoffc on Wed Jul 25 14:43:53 2018.

Where did the old Washington Street exit(s) lead to the surface?
Thanks.

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Re: High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?

Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Mon Apr 15 09:45:15 2019, in response to Re: High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 25 15:32:29 2018.

I used to volunteer at that Red Cross building.

Even the one at 150 Amsterdam Ave (the main HQ for the Greater NY area) isn't there anymore.

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Re: High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?

Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Apr 15 11:13:23 2019, in response to Re: High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jul 25 22:06:46 2018.

I found it on Google maps, chuchubob is on the money! The High St. Brooklyn Bridge Station is west of that. Interesting!

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Re: High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?

Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Apr 15 11:22:17 2019, in response to Re: High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Apr 15 11:13:23 2019.

Septa has an oddity like that with a trackless route, there is a short turn loop for the 66-Frankford Ave. line, at Gregg St. Gregg St. does not exist at Frankford Ave. anymore, it can be found further west, IIRC.

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Re: High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?

Posted by LA Scott on Mon Apr 15 11:44:57 2019, in response to Re: High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 25 15:32:29 2018.

Looking at current and historic maps and aerial photos, I think Red Cross Place is actually slightly north of the old High Street.
I think where High Street once was is now the parking lot of the NYC Emergency Management building.

The digital tax maps do not show an ROW under that that, but matching up the ROW to the East and West, it seems like it would go just south of Red Cross Place.

Looking at maps.nyc.gov and turning on the transit layer (which is usually by not always correct), the line goes through the parking lot.

The MTA Neighborhood map (which is usually correct) also shows the station just south of Red Cross Place.



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Re: High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 15 11:56:42 2019, in response to Re: High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?, posted by LA Scott on Mon Apr 15 11:44:57 2019.

Modern aerial photos show the two streets (RC Place and High St) to be not aligned, so you appear correct. Tellingly, there are no buildings with old facades along RC Place which might indicate an ancient street. There is an NYCTA building on the north side with bricked up arches, but it is not clear if it was ever mid-block. It does extend north to the former Sands Street.

Another bit of proff for your theory is that the Adams Street entrance is set back from RC Place, where it would have been on the south side of the old High Street.

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Re: High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?

Posted by LA Scott on Mon Apr 15 12:48:51 2019, in response to Re: High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 15 11:56:42 2019.

I think the building is the proof that the RC Place is north of High.
In the 1951 view you can see the shape of the NYCTA building, with another building to the south, and then High Street. The NYCTA building apparently faced Sands street to the North.


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Re: High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 15 14:02:52 2019, in response to Re: High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?, posted by Union Tpke on Mon Apr 15 06:36:43 2019.

They obviously led to Washington Street. Or do you mean more specifically like which corner?

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Re: High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?

Posted by randyo on Mon Apr 15 15:13:39 2019, in response to Re: High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 25 15:32:29 2018.

Was the Red Cross building at the foot of the Bkln Br ever a part of the Sands St terminal complex?

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Re: High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?

Posted by Union Tpke on Mon Apr 15 15:57:26 2019, in response to Re: High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 15 14:02:52 2019.

Yes, that is what I was referring to.

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Re: High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?

Posted by LA Scott on Mon Apr 15 17:03:11 2019, in response to Re: High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?, posted by LA Scott on Mon Apr 15 12:48:51 2019.

One more piece of evidence that Red Cross Place is not the former High Street: the 1916 Brooklyn Atlas Shows the building "Rapid Transit Sub Sta" ending a bit over 100 feet north of High Street (I think the dimension on the lot to the south is 106.2, but it is not entirely clear).
Compare to the Google Street View that shows the same shaped building going almost to the sidewalk of Red Cross Place.

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Re: High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?

Posted by Dan on Sat Apr 20 12:24:13 2019, in response to Re: High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?, posted by LA Scott on Mon Apr 15 17:03:11 2019.

NYC Finance Dept database only shows one property with a High Street address, a 4145.66 square foot vacant lot:

OWNER -ADDR# -STR_NAME
NYC TRANSIT 212 HIGH STREET

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Re: High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 20 13:28:03 2019, in response to Re: High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?, posted by Dan on Sat Apr 20 12:24:13 2019.

They should open Brooklyn’s first legal weed dispensary there.

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Re: High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?

Posted by MTA T on Sat Apr 20 19:28:18 2019, in response to Re: High St/Brooklyn Bridge - Where is High St?, posted by Union Tpke on Mon Apr 15 15:57:26 2019.

Either the SE or the SW corner it looks like. I don't know anything beyond that.

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