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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Mar 22 10:23:09 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 21 21:58:47 2019. YES! |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Mar 22 10:30:03 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Fri Mar 22 09:13:08 2019. Sorry, I meant the connection of Nassau St. to the Montague. The R still runs 75 foot cars. But my understanding is that they can't divert to the Eastern Division in an emergency. |
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Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Fri Mar 22 10:49:00 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by AlM on Fri Mar 22 10:30:03 2019. Nope. There's a huge sign at the T/O's end going Manhattan bound, for the lineup box, saying no 75' allowed onto Nassau Street. |
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Re: For Joe V. was: Will there be new 75-foot cars? |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Fri Mar 22 11:49:45 2019, in response to Re: For Joe V. was: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Steamdriven on Thu Mar 21 23:57:49 2019. You could put 30 or 40 people standing into a tall-roof Sprinter or Ford Transit van without seats leaving a center lane clear and be around max GVWR, it would be illegal of course. But great for running illegals to avoid current US immagration laws. Let the slings and arrows begin! |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Mar 22 11:57:47 2019, in response to Re: For Joe V. was: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Avid Reader on Fri Mar 22 11:49:45 2019. Oh my goodness, couldn't you really just have left this stuff someplace else?Am I the only person on here who wants to stay friends with everyone and leave the Fox/MSNBC debates on cable TV? |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Fri Mar 22 12:05:00 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Mar 20 18:57:25 2019. Hell, I was better looking when I was New. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Mar 22 17:41:50 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by rbseabeach on Wed Mar 20 12:14:19 2019. 😀!I was there! That new car smell was amazing...never forgot it. I also rode the First revenue trip on the R46. All cab cars! |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 22 18:18:32 2019, in response to For Joe V. was: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Train Dude on Thu Mar 21 22:11:15 2019. Thank you. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 22 18:19:31 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Mar 21 22:57:29 2019. Do you really think they will do that ? |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Mar 22 18:26:50 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Mar 22 10:21:06 2019. It still might impact on clearances due to the increased center excess. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Mar 22 18:54:40 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 21 21:58:47 2019. That’s pretty lame! |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 22 18:56:20 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 22 18:19:31 2019. If the right pol said something... maybe? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 22 20:33:02 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by randyo on Fri Mar 22 18:54:40 2019. Well, at least in one case. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Sat Mar 23 02:45:11 2019, in response to Re: For Joe V. was: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Mar 22 11:57:47 2019. Possibly. I, for one, do not want to stay friends with fascists and bootlickers. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 23 09:13:13 2019, in response to Re: For Joe V. was: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by K. Trout on Sat Mar 23 02:45:11 2019. Lick all the boots you like, not bother lion... As for socialists, round them all up in New York and California and the expel those two states from the onion.ROARING |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 23 09:14:23 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 22 18:56:20 2019. No. It will not happen. They want everything off of the floor so that the cars are easier to cleana.ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 23 09:15:40 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by randyo on Fri Mar 22 18:26:50 2019. Methinks such center excess will be less than the 75s, even if 60' cars share a truck. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Mar 23 11:29:13 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 23 09:14:23 2019. As I recall, there were NO feet under the R/44/46 seats or the R/110B's
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Mar 23 11:32:05 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by randyo on Fri Mar 22 18:26:50 2019. Think R/110B 67 ft. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Mar 23 11:32:37 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 23 09:15:40 2019. Think R-110B 67 ft. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 23 12:34:49 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Mar 23 11:29:13 2019. I still think they want a mass-produced car with as few customizations as possible. I liked the idea of glass wind-sheers too, but that went the way of the subway token. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 23 12:38:42 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by randyo on Fri Mar 22 18:26:50 2019. What was the truck base in feet on the BMT Standard, and what is it on a SMEE and NTT car ? |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sat Mar 23 16:07:22 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Edwards! on Fri Mar 22 17:41:50 2019. I think there are still bits of it hidden in some crevices. Once in a while, if I board a really, really clean R train and get a seat near the wall, a little bit of that smell- unique to these cars, reaches my olfactory bulb. Like for a second... |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Mar 23 16:27:15 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 23 12:34:49 2019. I think that what did in the wind screens was vandalism. Vandalism was also the reason that the R-62s and 68s had those bland stainless steel interiors. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sat Mar 23 19:21:11 2019, in response to Re: For Joe V. was: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 23 09:13:13 2019. LOL! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Mar 23 19:26:48 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by MainR3664 on Sat Mar 23 16:07:22 2019. 😀...! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Mar 23 19:43:39 2019, in response to Re: For Joe V. was: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 23 09:13:13 2019. Lol..!😁 |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Mar 23 20:00:28 2019, in response to Re: For Joe V. was: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Avid Reader on Fri Mar 22 11:49:45 2019. Seriously,wondering when you "people" will get your rocks off over there at the PISSING CONTEST called OTCHAT.This is SUBCHAT. NO "SLINGS AND ARROWS"..Just looking for you SUBS to take it there and leave it there. HOWEVER..67ft cars should be examined Again. The 110b had different truck placement that didnt allow for Eastern Division use. The swing was just wide as the 75ft cars. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Mar 23 20:00:39 2019, in response to Re: For Joe V. was: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Avid Reader on Fri Mar 22 11:49:45 2019. Seriously,wondering when you "people" will get your rocks off over there at the PISSING CONTEST called OTCHAT.This is SUBCHAT. NO "SLINGS AND ARROWS"..Just looking for you SUBS to take it there and leave it there. HOWEVER..67ft cars should be examined Again. The 110b had different truck placement that didnt allow for Eastern Division use. The swing was just wide as the 75ft cars. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 23 20:31:45 2019, in response to Re: For Joe V. was: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Edwards! on Sat Mar 23 20:00:39 2019. If BMT Standard wheelbase on a 67' car, forget about open-gangway for them. |
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Posted by VictorM on Sun Mar 24 17:16:31 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 23 12:38:42 2019. From an engineering drawing on nycsubway.org it appears the axles on the Standards were 6'6" apart although it's hard to read: On both the SMEE's and the NTT's they're 6'10" apart. Interestingly, on those experimental 67' R110B's they're 7'1" apart. |
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Posted by VictorM on Sun Mar 24 17:47:34 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 23 12:38:42 2019. If you mean distance between truck centers, here's the info:Standards: 47'0" 60' cars (both SMEE and NTT): 44'7" 75' cars: 54'0" R110B: 47'0" |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 24 18:02:20 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by VictorM on Sun Mar 24 17:47:34 2019. Yes, that's what I wanted.The R110B stuck with the BMT Standard truck base because they knew it would work on the Eastern Division, such as the Canarsie tunnel curves, the Myrtle cut, and the nasty Crescent Street curve. I think it safe to assume on a 67' car: 1) you cannot have a truck base < 47' that can run in the East due to end overhang 2) you cannot have an open gangway at all with a truck base <= 47', it must be longer. So there will not be another "universal" 67' car. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 25 07:51:44 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by VictorM on Sun Mar 24 17:16:31 2019. And the trucks are 10' from the ends of the cars. What are they for other cars.ROAR |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Mar 25 11:33:00 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by VictorM on Sun Mar 24 17:16:31 2019. I love engineering drawings. Today you would see a 3-D Model of the rail car, which then would convert into a 3-view drawing with dimensions. |
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Posted by VictorM on Mon Mar 25 12:54:22 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 25 07:51:44 2019. Distance from truck centers to car ends:For the 75 footers: 10'4.25" For the 60 footers: 7'9.75" |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 25 13:23:03 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by VictorM on Mon Mar 25 12:54:22 2019. Nice.That controls the end of car overhang. The distance between the trucks controls the belly overhang. But then I have belly overhang of my own. ROAR |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Mar 25 17:50:31 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 24 18:02:20 2019. I have a question. If the truck base on the R-110B is 47 ft, they why was it being said that they couldn’t run in the BMT Eastern? |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Mar 25 17:54:04 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by VictorM on Mon Mar 25 12:54:22 2019. If the distance between trucks on the 57 footers is 55 ft that would mean that the trucks on open gangway cars can be moved a bit closer to the cars ends and not compromise the clearances in the subway infrastructure. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 25 18:05:42 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by randyo on Mon Mar 25 17:50:31 2019. No one said that. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Mar 25 18:08:21 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by randyo on Mon Mar 25 17:50:31 2019. First I'm hearing this. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Mon Mar 25 18:11:44 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Edwards! on Sat Mar 23 19:26:48 2019. Yes!I even remember that white frosted glass with fire extinguisher icon on it. There was a compartment for it in the corner of a side wall panel. Today I think it is basically a stainless steel cover. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 25 18:33:55 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by randyo on Mon Mar 25 17:54:04 2019. That can't run on the Eastern Division. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Mar 25 18:57:05 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Edwards! on Fri Mar 22 17:41:50 2019. I remember that smell as well! |
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Posted by jailhousedoc on Mon Mar 25 20:34:53 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by randyo on Fri Mar 22 18:26:50 2019. there should be some uniformity in regard to the subway fleet - the 75 foot cars could not operate on the Eastern Division due to clearance problems. That mistake should not be repeated. The cars should be designed to go anywhere in the system - of course, A division only for A division, B division only for B division. A shortage on one route could then be easily covered by any surplus on another. Also, with less variables, spare parts to make repairs would be more readily available. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Mon Mar 25 21:21:58 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 24 18:02:20 2019. All of which seems to mean there is a need to relax curves, or at least shave some tunnel walls. Most are barely below street level, so no miracles are required. If the problem exists in under-river tunnels it may not be reasonable to fix it at those spots. There are some ridiculous curves in the system, each causes wear and slowdowns hundreds of times per day, tens of thousands of times per year. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 25 21:55:43 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 25 18:05:42 2019. They were banned from operating on the Eastern Division. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Mar 25 22:50:08 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by jailhousedoc on Mon Mar 25 20:34:53 2019. I disagree. What kind of express route do they have on the vaunted Eastern Division that so many lament the step child like treatment it receives. 75 foot cars serve a good purpose especially on express runs the A B D F run along. I'm sorry J and L train folks. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Tue Mar 26 00:07:00 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 25 18:33:55 2019. IINM the open gangway cars are to be 5-car sets, which wouldn't run in the Eastern anyway. Perhaps the 4-car sets can have their trucks mounted closer to center. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Mar 26 03:00:55 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by K. Trout on Tue Mar 26 00:07:00 2019. It all depends what the MTA wants to do. If open gangway cars can be safely operated with the existing truck centers of a normal 60 footer which may be the case, then there will be no problem. |
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