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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Feb 9 22:29:33 2019 For the second time I have caught up with a DC Metro car being taken to the scrappers on I-95 at I-195 just south of Baltimore. This time I actually managed to get some photos! I'm just going to throw up a link to my twitter.
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Feb 10 00:07:36 2019, in response to Caught a 5000 Series on I-95, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Feb 9 22:29:33 2019. 18 years? barely better than a gutterliner and less than an ETB. For shame. |
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Posted by Snarf368 on Sun Feb 10 05:16:42 2019, in response to Caught a 5000 Series on I-95, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Feb 9 22:29:33 2019. Nice catch |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 10 08:32:08 2019, in response to Caught a 5000 Series on I-95, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Feb 9 22:29:33 2019. Less than a MCI Cruiser bus lasts in NJ. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sun Feb 10 12:06:16 2019, in response to Re: Caught a 5000 Series on I-95, posted by Snarf368 on Sun Feb 10 05:16:42 2019. How far is to Staten Island? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Feb 10 12:28:09 2019, in response to Caught a 5000 Series on I-95, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Feb 9 22:29:33 2019. Damn shame. I knew those 5000's were going to be retired early, but this early?I always thought that the feds, who pays for them has guidelines that they have to be kept for a certain amount of year. Certainly at least 20, even if they're stored and not used. Some well maintained buses last longer than that! |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 10 13:31:48 2019, in response to Re: Caught a 5000 Series on I-95, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Feb 10 12:28:09 2019. And they are still running 6 cars trains , true ? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Feb 10 13:53:48 2019, in response to Re: Caught a 5000 Series on I-95, posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 10 13:31:48 2019. IDK. Haven't been in D.C. for a few years. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun Feb 10 18:16:48 2019, in response to Re: Caught a 5000 Series on I-95, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Feb 10 12:28:09 2019. Damn shame. I knew those 5000's were going to be retired early, but this early?Reliability. Those cars were the lemons of the fleet before they ever turned a revenue mile. They are being scrapped for the same reason why the 4ks were scrapped. The cost of giving them another 20 years of life is slightly less then replacing with new. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 10 18:59:41 2019, in response to Re: Caught a 5000 Series on I-95, posted by Sand Box John on Sun Feb 10 18:16:48 2019. They used to derail a lot ?When I visited DC last year, their older fleet of cars seems to have been segregated by line, no longer mixed consists. 5000's were on the Orange, 2000's or 3000's on the Red. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Feb 10 19:27:26 2019, in response to Re: Caught a 5000 Series on I-95, posted by Sand Box John on Sun Feb 10 18:16:48 2019. I get it. But the last time I was there, some time ago, they just started to retire the 1000's. I only saw 2 pair of 4000's in service but quite a few 5000's running. Which were poorer performers, the 4000's or the 5000's? |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun Feb 10 21:15:56 2019, in response to Re: Caught a 5000 Series on I-95, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Feb 10 19:27:26 2019. I get it. But the last time I was there, some time ago, they just started to retire the 1000's. I only saw 2 pair of 4000's in service but quite a few 5000's running. Which were poorer performers, the 4000's or the 5000's?The 5ks. The 4k became orphans when the decisions was made to replace them instead of upgrading them to be compatible with the 7ks. The 4ks were the last of the cars in the fleet that did not have AC propulsion. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Feb 10 22:59:52 2019, in response to Re: Caught a 5000 Series on I-95, posted by Sand Box John on Sun Feb 10 18:16:48 2019. Less is still less and I won't launch into how going to back to stainless steel is a step backwards.Wood -> Carbon Steel -> Stainless Steel -> Aluminum -> Carbon Fiber? The DC metro was supposed to be the rapid transit system of the future with all sorts of cool advanced technologies. Now it's just a slightly fancier NYC Subway. I'm betting someone at Metro got bought off. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Feb 10 23:29:45 2019, in response to Re: Caught a 5000 Series on I-95, posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Feb 10 22:59:52 2019. yeah, and BART was "space age--Buck Rogers". Both systems were conceived as "not the New York Subway" because the locals were intimidated/disgusted by the NYC system. Nearly half a century later, they are experiencing dirtiness, failing infrastructure and fleets, huge waste in procurements, homeless encampmemnts, and all of the other ills of our declining empire.As to carbon fiber, given the incompetence of the Canadian car building firm, I prefer something actually proven and am unimpressed by the extra bells and whistles on BART's "skidoos". BART claims that the fourth generation of ATO computers will allow 30 TPH--still no better than CTA or NYCTA were capable of in the 50s. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Feb 11 01:13:20 2019, in response to Re: Caught a 5000 Series on I-95, posted by Sand Box John on Sun Feb 10 18:16:48 2019. Sort of like WMATA’s R-44s? |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Feb 11 02:41:42 2019, in response to Re: Caught a 5000 Series on I-95, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Feb 10 23:29:45 2019. I dunno about SF but despite all the complaining, the DC Metro seems to be cleaner and far less homeless-ridden than most other northeast systems. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Mon Feb 11 08:25:07 2019, in response to Re: Caught a 5000 Series on I-95, posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Feb 10 22:59:52 2019. Less is still less and I won't launch into how going to back to stainless steel is a step backwards.Wood -> Carbon Steel -> Stainless Steel -> Aluminum -> Carbon Fiber? An engineer friend of mine in 1978 convinced me other wise. The Fort Totten wreck of 2009 confirmed that and put aluminum between wood and carbon steel. The DC metro was supposed to be the rapid transit system of the future with all sorts of cool advanced technologies. Now it's just a slightly fancier NYC Subway. I'm betting someone at Metro got bought off. The only thing that appeared to be advance was what one saw when stepping into one of the stations. Propulsion control on day one was basic Frank Sprague. Signaling is old and proven technology. The only thing that one could consider as advance was the automation of the acceleration, breaking and doors through years old proven cab signal technology. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Feb 11 13:32:23 2019, in response to Re: Caught a 5000 Series on I-95, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Feb 11 02:41:42 2019. BART has gone downhill in recent years. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 11 17:35:25 2019, in response to Re: Caught a 5000 Series on I-95, posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Feb 10 22:59:52 2019. Your prefer aerospace aluminum junk the 1000's were ? |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 11 17:36:22 2019, in response to Re: Caught a 5000 Series on I-95, posted by randyo on Mon Feb 11 01:13:20 2019. More like their R16 or R11. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Feb 11 19:02:23 2019, in response to Re: Caught a 5000 Series on I-95, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Feb 11 13:32:23 2019. My biggest gripe about BART was the dirty windows, you could hardly see what station you were at. Last time I was there, was roughly 2013. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Feb 11 21:03:57 2019, in response to Re: Caught a 5000 Series on I-95, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Feb 11 19:02:23 2019. so they have both improved and degraded the issue you raise. They implemented more tint on the lower area of the windows. OTOH the signage in the stations is being greatly improved both larger typeface and brighter. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Feb 11 22:20:43 2019, in response to Re: Caught a 5000 Series on I-95, posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 11 17:35:25 2019. The Rohrs were awesome. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Feb 12 00:16:35 2019, in response to Re: Caught a 5000 Series on I-95, posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 11 17:36:22 2019. The R-11s were pretty good after they were GOHed into the R-34s. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Feb 12 07:00:34 2019, in response to Re: Caught a 5000 Series on I-95, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Feb 11 22:20:43 2019. Not when they crashed. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Feb 12 07:01:09 2019, in response to Re: Caught a 5000 Series on I-95, posted by randyo on Tue Feb 12 00:16:35 2019. But the 4K's and 5K's were not to get their GOH. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Feb 12 07:33:47 2019, in response to Re: Caught a 5000 Series on I-95, posted by Joe V on Tue Feb 12 07:00:34 2019. It's transit. The safety model puts points in avoiding accidents. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Feb 12 07:36:33 2019, in response to Re: Caught a 5000 Series on I-95, posted by Sand Box John on Mon Feb 11 08:25:07 2019. Transit systems do not need robust crash standards because the money goes into crash prevention via various mechanisms. If you want to go the other route just install third rail on the Metropolitan Sub. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Feb 12 08:17:00 2019, in response to Re: Caught a 5000 Series on I-95, posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Feb 12 07:36:33 2019. Tell that to the 2009 crash victim families.1K cars were known to telescope even when not on the head when non-1K cars were at point of impact and did not telescope. CSX does on occasion Crash,Spill,& Xplode onto WMATA's ROW now and again as well. At some point , they will do so at the wrong place and wrong time. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Feb 12 08:18:51 2019, in response to Re: Caught a 5000 Series on I-95, posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Feb 12 07:33:47 2019. Like it 2009 and many prior, right ?Are transit customers live's expendable ? |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Tue Feb 12 08:33:21 2019, in response to Re: Caught a 5000 Series on I-95, posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Feb 12 07:36:33 2019. Transit systems do not need robust crash standards because the money goes into crash prevention via various mechanisms.I agree with that line of thinking. However the regulators and safety advocates do not see it that way That same engineer friend of mine also told me that a rail car of equal strength fabricated of stainless steel or aluminum that the stainless steel rail car would be lighter. The extrusion used to fabricate WMATA's aluminum rolling stock are in the range of .187 to .250. That is a hell of a lot more mass then the roughly 0.062 to .125 thickness of stainless steel sheets and stamping in the 7k cars. The nearly 10,000lb greater weight of the 7k cars is mostly in the trucks and the greater amount of electronic, electrical and mechanical equipment. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by VictorM on Tue Feb 12 09:01:30 2019, in response to Re: Caught a 5000 Series on I-95, posted by Sand Box John on Tue Feb 12 08:33:21 2019. If pound-for-pound stainless steel were stronger than aluminum, they'd be building airliners out of stainless steel instead of aluminum. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Feb 12 09:22:02 2019, in response to Re: Caught a 5000 Series on I-95, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Feb 11 21:03:57 2019. Thank you, JacksonPark B Train |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Tue Feb 12 13:53:49 2019, in response to Re: Caught a 5000 Series on I-95, posted by VictorM on Tue Feb 12 09:01:30 2019. If pound-for-pound stainless steel were stronger than aluminum, they'd be building airliners out of stainless steel instead of aluminum.You are comparing apples to oranges. Airplane manufactures do not build their products to withstand the forces applied couplers and abnormal impacts. They also do not build products to carry 100 percent of their loads on 2 areas that total roughly 10 square feet 100 percent of the time. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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