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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Feb 10 18:43:12 2019 Gap-out & rescue |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 10 19:03:20 2019, in response to Chicago -Pink train -gap-out, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Feb 10 18:43:12 2019. Couldn't get another train from behind and give it a shove ?How did they ever function with 2 car trains ? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Feb 10 19:43:03 2019, in response to Re: Chicago -Pink train -gap-out, posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 10 19:03:20 2019. They could have. Maybe those 2 fellas on the roadbed were nearby so it was quicker to "jump" the train rather than waiting for the follower to add up. At least at NYCT, they don't like adding and cutting trains with passengers aboard in case of a hard add or hard stop upon uncoupling. Last thing you want is a passenger injury and lawsuit.When you have 4 cars and you have such a long gap, you should enter it with enough momentum so that you know you can get to the other side to pick up the third rail once again. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 10 19:58:05 2019, in response to Chicago -Pink train -gap-out, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Feb 10 18:43:12 2019. How primitive. |
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Posted by Dave on Sun Feb 10 21:02:16 2019, in response to Chicago -Pink train -gap-out, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Feb 10 18:43:12 2019. Irwin, did this ever happen to you? |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sun Feb 10 23:15:11 2019, in response to Re: Chicago -Pink train -gap-out, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Feb 10 19:43:03 2019. It was NOT a "long gap"....it was four smaller gaps and the RTO went much too slow and all four cars OF THE TRAIN got caught.DH |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Feb 11 01:29:00 2019, in response to Re: Chicago -Pink train -gap-out, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sun Feb 10 23:15:11 2019. For those of you unfamiliar with CTA terminology, MM there are now referred to a “Rapid Transit Operators” due to the entire system being OPTO. An Instructor I know there claims that the title change was made when the system went OPTO since the M/M now had more duties than just stopping and starting the train. In NYCT, the title was changed from M.M to T/O because T/O is gender neutral. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Feb 11 01:30:47 2019, in response to Chicago -Pink train -gap-out, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Feb 10 18:43:12 2019. When I was switching in Concourse Yd I would often look up at the IRT Jerome el structure and see as many as 3 cars go dark over a long 3rd rail gap on a move coming out of Mosholu Yd. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Feb 11 07:55:06 2019, in response to Chicago -Pink train -gap-out, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Feb 10 18:43:12 2019. That's one heck of a set of switches!!! Reminds me (not that I was there to see it, LOL) of the crossing between the Myrtle and 5th Avenue Els that was used for one day in 1889.Now I understand why the gap was so long. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Feb 11 09:13:50 2019, in response to Re: Chicago -Pink train -gap-out, posted by Dave on Sun Feb 10 21:02:16 2019. Not with a four car train, but plenty with 2. And a few times with one. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Feb 11 09:14:47 2019, in response to Re: Chicago -Pink train -gap-out, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sun Feb 10 23:15:11 2019. So now it's RTO huh. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Feb 11 09:18:21 2019, in response to Re: Chicago -Pink train -gap-out, posted by randyo on Mon Feb 11 01:29:00 2019. I qualified as a Motorman on March 6, 1988. I retired on October 1, 2012 as a Motorman. CTA got rid of conductors, they did not get rid of Motormen. |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Feb 11 10:21:46 2019, in response to Re: Chicago -Pink train -gap-out, posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Feb 11 09:13:50 2019. Do you get a rip from management or your supervisor when that happens? |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Feb 11 10:26:29 2019, in response to Re: Chicago -Pink train -gap-out, posted by randyo on Mon Feb 11 01:29:00 2019. Yes, about the time NYCT eliminated "TripCocks" in favor of "carborne tripping device". |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Feb 11 10:29:46 2019, in response to Re: Chicago -Pink train -gap-out, posted by Dave on Sun Feb 10 21:02:16 2019. I can't think of any main line track in NYCT where you can gap a 4 car train. Even in the yards, it's tough. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Feb 11 10:36:46 2019, in response to Re: Chicago -Pink train -gap-out, posted by Dave on Mon Feb 11 10:21:46 2019. Not really. Just once I bought the supervisor a cup of coffee. |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Feb 11 11:02:51 2019, in response to Re: Chicago -Pink train -gap-out, posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Feb 11 10:36:46 2019. Good coffee from Greektown, I hope! |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Feb 11 11:37:03 2019, in response to Re: Chicago -Pink train -gap-out, posted by Dave on Mon Feb 11 11:02:51 2019. No, Dunkin Donuts on Howard St. |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Feb 11 11:45:46 2019, in response to Re: Chicago -Pink train -gap-out, posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Feb 11 11:37:03 2019. Not a fan of DD coffee. |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Mon Feb 11 12:03:33 2019, in response to Re: Chicago -Pink train -gap-out, posted by Dave on Mon Feb 11 11:45:46 2019. I don't care, as long as there's caffine. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Mon Feb 11 13:46:59 2019, in response to Re: Chicago -Pink train -gap-out, posted by randyo on Mon Feb 11 01:29:00 2019. Something I just thought of, on OPTO, on outside sections of the line, are there still mirrors on the outside of the T/O's cab to look back along the train, or have these been supplemented or replaced by cameras, with a monitor (?) of some sort visible to the operator in the cab.I was thinking that just with a mirror, it might be difficult to view the entire train length, during any kind of heavy blizzard, or some kind of thick pea-soup fog; when it might become difficult to impossible to see more than maybe 1&1/2 cars looking back along the train. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Feb 11 13:54:09 2019, in response to Chicago -Pink train -gap-out, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Feb 10 18:43:12 2019. I "think" this the intersection where the gap-out happened, Lake & Wells. Big radius curves, probably produced large areas of no third rail, plus whatever the shoe to shoe spacing was on the car, and ,bingo, we have a gap -out! The posters on Facebook said the operator was probably going too slowly through that intersection.Lake and Wells |
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Posted by Ftgreeneg on Mon Feb 11 15:14:33 2019, in response to Re: Chicago -Pink train -gap-out, posted by randyo on Mon Feb 11 01:30:47 2019. Makig 2 car moves on 207 yd lead was always a gap hazard as well. Got to keep those cars moving at a decent speed. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Feb 11 15:48:25 2019, in response to Re: Chicago -Pink train -gap-out, posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Feb 11 09:18:21 2019. According to your own instructor John Zupko, the title was changed the “Rapid Transit Operator” for the reason I mentioned. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Mon Feb 11 16:32:08 2019, in response to Chicago -Pink train -gap-out, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Feb 10 18:43:12 2019. Why not have a battery setup good for about one minute of 1/2 power?That's more than enough to roll through any gap (1 min partial power would accelerate to at least 10 mph), and the batteries could power the lights for several hours, or the heat/AC for perhaps an hour. Enough battery to move the train a significant distance would be expensive and heavy, but just enough to move 100 yards ain't much. Could do it with nickel-iron Edison batteries which can last 50+ years. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Feb 11 16:42:34 2019, in response to Re: Chicago -Pink train -gap-out, posted by Steamdriven on Mon Feb 11 16:32:08 2019. They do that on their electric locomotives.ROAR |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Feb 11 17:23:53 2019, in response to Re: Chicago -Pink train -gap-out, posted by Steamdriven on Mon Feb 11 16:32:08 2019. A few years ago, the MTA experimented with4 R-32s that had flywheels installed so that the trains could keep moving in the event of either a sudden power outage or if the M/M inadvertently entered a power area. I never heard the results of the experiment. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Mon Feb 11 17:45:24 2019, in response to Re: Chicago -Pink train -gap-out, posted by randyo on Mon Feb 11 17:23:53 2019. Flywheels are even better than batteries - no possible fire hazard, and only one moving part. They could also be used for regen on braking. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Feb 11 19:05:41 2019, in response to Re: Chicago -Pink train -gap-out, posted by randyo on Mon Feb 11 15:48:25 2019. John Zupko is The best. |
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Posted by Alan Follett on Mon Feb 11 22:01:17 2019, in response to Re: Chicago -Pink train -gap-out, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Feb 11 13:54:09 2019. That’s the one: Tower 18. Used by the Pink, Brown, Purple, Green, and Orange Lines.Alan Follett South San Francisco, CA |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Feb 12 00:22:44 2019, in response to Re: Chicago -Pink train -gap-out, posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Feb 11 19:05:41 2019. Is he still working? |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Feb 12 02:11:49 2019, in response to Re: Chicago -Pink train -gap-out, posted by randyo on Tue Feb 12 00:22:44 2019. I'll answer that...YES. He the the super in charge of serval charters last year.DH |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Feb 12 05:36:57 2019, in response to Re: Chicago -Pink train -gap-out, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Feb 11 13:54:09 2019. I consulted a Chicago EL Map and Google Earth and lucked out on the answer. Thanks, Alan Follett |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Feb 12 11:40:00 2019, in response to Re: Chicago -Pink train -gap-out, posted by randyo on Tue Feb 12 00:22:44 2019. Yes he is. I think he has almost 40 years. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Feb 12 18:39:44 2019, in response to Re: Chicago -Pink train -gap-out, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Feb 12 02:11:49 2019. He became a super. Congratulations to him! The first time I went to Chicago to look him up in 1989 at the recommendation of a friend at the NYCTA who had worked for him at the CTA, every other CTA employee who knew him had only the best things to say about him. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Feb 12 18:51:49 2019, in response to Re: Chicago -Pink train -gap-out, posted by randyo on Tue Feb 12 18:39:44 2019. I think you misunderstood. CTA hasn't used the title superintendent in about 25 years. They were renamed managers. Different titles, but still bosses. I think he used the word super as an adjective to describe Mr. Zupko. John is still an instructor. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Feb 13 02:18:41 2019, in response to Re: Chicago -Pink train -gap-out, posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Feb 12 18:51:49 2019. OK. A mutual friend did mention to me that John had been made a supt of the Blue Line at one point which would have been 20 plus years ago but John decided he preferred being an instructor and returned to his old title. |
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Posted by Ian Lennon on Wed Feb 13 09:44:20 2019, in response to Re: Chicago -Pink train -gap-out, posted by randyo on Mon Feb 11 17:23:53 2019. That must have been fun come time to stop. |
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