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Re: VHB lands contract for environmental review of proposed Brooklyn Queens Connector

Posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 10 13:30:56 2019, in response to Re: VHB lands contract for environmental review of proposed Brooklyn Queens Connector, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Feb 10 11:53:58 2019.

Your definition of walking distance is not that of anyone else because the G train has been there for 80 years and has done nothing to the BQC service area.

So we build subways to fill 10 car trains, or else here's a bus.
No happy medium. Not acceptable.

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Re: VHB lands contract for environmental review of proposed Brooklyn Queens Connector

Posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 10 13:34:31 2019, in response to Re: VHB lands contract for environmental review of proposed Brooklyn Queens Connector, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Feb 10 11:38:31 2019.

I don't know what you are talking about anymore.

We are talking about a streetcar for transportation and economic development and you change the subject and talk about street congestion at "subway terminals", which has nothing to do with this, yet claim this would be too slow because of traffic.

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Re: VHB lands contract for environmental review of proposed Brooklyn Queens Connector

Posted by Edwards! on Sun Feb 10 14:01:13 2019, in response to Re: VHB lands contract for environmental review of proposed Brooklyn Queens Connector, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Feb 9 22:35:02 2019.

Opinions,brah.
These nabs are filled with folks who dont see the need for "rapid transit".

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Re: VHB lands contract for environmental review of proposed Brooklyn Queens Connector

Posted by randyo on Sun Feb 10 14:59:04 2019, in response to Re: VHB lands contract for environmental review of proposed Brooklyn Queens Connector, posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 9 17:15:42 2019.

Good idea!

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Re: VHB lands contract for environmental review of proposed Brooklyn Queens Connector

Posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 10 16:30:55 2019, in response to Re: VHB lands contract for environmental review of proposed Brooklyn Queens Connector, posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 9 17:15:42 2019.

I'd have put it up on the High Line.

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Re: VHB lands contract for environmental review of proposed Brooklyn Queens Connector

Posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 10 17:14:15 2019, in response to Re: VHB lands contract for environmental review of proposed Brooklyn Queens Connector, posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 10 16:30:55 2019.

That too, but though I'm not a fan of rail-to-trail, the High Line is a great thing.

An LRT line could have started at Columbus Circle, gone west via 60th and 59th, then south along the river. Lost opportunity.

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Re: VHB lands contract for environmental review of proposed Brooklyn Queens Connector

Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sun Feb 10 17:31:45 2019, in response to Re: VHB lands contract for environmental review of proposed Brooklyn Queens Connector, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 8 20:50:49 2019.

But then it would have to be either an extension of the M or R, or a line that goes through Queens and into Manhattan on its own completely separate right-of-way after crossing under Queens Blvd.

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Re: VHB lands contract for environmental review of proposed Brooklyn Queens Connector

Posted by Euclid Avenue A Train on Sun Feb 10 17:46:13 2019, in response to VHB lands contract for environmental review of proposed Brooklyn Queens Connector, posted by GojiMet86 on Wed Feb 6 17:24:33 2019.

I thought the BQX was a NYC Project and not a MTA Project.

If BQX was a MTA Project It would not start construction until after the 2nd Avenue Tunnels to the Bronx and Brooklyn or possibly Staten Island are complete sometime in the 2300's.

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Re: VHB lands contract for environmental review of proposed Brooklyn Queens Connector

Posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 10 17:51:32 2019, in response to Re: VHB lands contract for environmental review of proposed Brooklyn Queens Connector, posted by Euclid Avenue A Train on Sun Feb 10 17:46:13 2019.

Hudson Yards was not an MTA project either, started decades after SAS, and got opened first.

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Re: VHB lands contract for environmental review of proposed Brooklyn Queens Connector

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Feb 10 18:17:52 2019, in response to Re: VHB lands contract for environmental review of proposed Brooklyn Queens Connector, posted by randyo on Sun Feb 10 14:59:04 2019.

CSX nixed any rail use in the sales contract. That said EPD of abandoned ROW... Yes it should have been transit.

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Re: VHB lands contract for environmental review of proposed Brooklyn Queens Connector

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 10 18:21:29 2019, in response to Re: VHB lands contract for environmental review of proposed Brooklyn Queens Connector, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Thu Feb 7 09:08:57 2019.

There has never been an Enrivonmental Impact Study for the North Shore LRT/Busway AFAIK. There have been several other studies, but not one of the type just announced for the BCQ.

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Re: VHB lands contract for environmental review of proposed Brooklyn Queens Connector

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Feb 10 21:07:50 2019, in response to Re: VHB lands contract for environmental review of proposed Brooklyn Queens Connector, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Feb 9 23:49:59 2019.

correct on all points. The criticality is exclusive ROW which is why NYV built elevateds 150 years ago.

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Re: VHB lands contract for environmental review of proposed Brooklyn Queens Connector

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Feb 10 22:13:17 2019, in response to Re: VHB lands contract for environmental review of proposed Brooklyn Queens Connector, posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 10 13:30:56 2019.

Your definition of walking distance is not that of anyone else

My definition of "walking distance" is 1/2 mile from an existing stop. That's the same threshold that the Department of Education uses to require 3rd graders to walk to school. That comes to a 10 minute walk.

According to the last census, 357,087 people live in census blocks that are within a 1/2 mile of stop of the proposed BQT. 90% of these people also live within 1/2 mile of an existing subway stop. The BQT would provide service to only 35.7K people who currently live in subway transit deserts (beyond 1/2 mile walking distance of a subway).

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Re: VHB lands contract for environmental review of proposed Brooklyn Queens Connector

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Feb 10 23:19:18 2019, in response to Re: VHB lands contract for environmental review of proposed Brooklyn Queens Connector, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Feb 10 22:13:17 2019.

Transit planners tend to speak of 1/4 mile apart stops for surface vehicles. As to subway deserts, living beyond Ave B in the east village qualifies in my view (betwn B&C on 11th in 66-67). The long overdue Avenue A entrances to the L will be an improvement. 7th btwn A & B (on T SQ PK) felt a little better if only because depending on one's destinationm walking to 8th & B'way or Astor seemed no more onerous than to 1st & Houston. Still a bit of a hike in some weather.
In my current Oakland location, I am a 13 minute walk to BART--certainly acceptable.

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Re: VHB lands contract for environmental review of proposed Brooklyn Queens Connector

Posted by randyo on Mon Feb 11 01:14:30 2019, in response to Re: VHB lands contract for environmental review of proposed Brooklyn Queens Connector, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Feb 10 18:17:52 2019.

So what would CSX have done if the city didn’t agree?

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Re: VHB lands contract for environmental review of proposed Brooklyn Queens Connector

Posted by randyo on Mon Feb 11 01:33:44 2019, in response to Re: VHB lands contract for environmental review of proposed Brooklyn Queens Connector, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Feb 10 23:19:18 2019.

At my age, a 10 min walk can take at least 20 min. When the IND, including the “second system” was being planned, the intent was to have nobody in the city of NY more than a half mile from any subway station.

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Re: VHB lands contract for environmental review of proposed Brooklyn Queens Connector

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Feb 11 07:54:34 2019, in response to Re: VHB lands contract for environmental review of proposed Brooklyn Queens Connector, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Feb 10 23:19:18 2019.

Transit planners tend to speak of 1/4 mile apart stops for surface vehicles.

Just about all transit planners in NYC, including SBS proponents, are using a 1/2 mile radius around stops. The bigger radius inflates the number of people the project would allegedly aid.

If the BQT stop radius were reduced to 1/4 mile, the number of "aided" people would be reduced to 184,390 and the percentage already living within 1/2 mile of a subway stop would be reduced to 84.2%.

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Re: VHB lands contract for environmental review of proposed Brooklyn Queens Connector

Posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 11 17:41:16 2019, in response to Re: VHB lands contract for environmental review of proposed Brooklyn Queens Connector, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Feb 10 22:13:17 2019.

Well obviously that's all academic because the G train hasn't done squat for the BQC service area, which is why some are pushing for it.

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