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Re: Grand Central Parkway (ONLY)

Posted by ntrainride on Sun Feb 10 02:07:03 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway (ONLY), posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 9 23:10:28 2019.

not to me.

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Re: Grand Central Parkway (ONLY)

Posted by chud1 on Sun Feb 10 04:53:53 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway (ONLY), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Feb 9 21:51:12 2019.

agree.
chud1.
:).....

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Re: Grand Central Parkway (ONLY)

Posted by Express Rider on Sun Feb 10 05:36:24 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway (ONLY), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Feb 9 21:51:12 2019.

"The RFK" bridge, just doesn't fit. The name Triboro, as you said, has the city heritage, and expresses its purpose.

For some people, they might identify the name, with the perception of ease (again, the bridge's purpose - the traffic jams notwithstanding) as in a direct (or somewhat direct) route to travel through three boroughs or one or two of the three to arrive at your destination....

And besides, I wouldn't like a re-name like, "The Anthony Impelleterie" bridge either - it just doesn't fit (even his being a New Yorker).

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Re: Grand Central Parkway (ONLY)

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Feb 10 09:26:36 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway (ONLY), posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 9 23:10:28 2019.

Yep, and Jackie Robinson Apartments at Ebbetts Field, and Jackie Robinson I. S. 320 (which I attended 1969-1971 when it was Crown Heights I. S. 320)

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Re: Grand Central Parkway (ONLY)

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Feb 10 09:39:31 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway (ONLY), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Feb 9 21:51:12 2019.

I still wonder why the Arnines had route signs "K(K) AV of AMERICAS LOCAL", when all other types had "6th Ave". Obviously a retrofit, and someone at the newly created MTA had an agenda.

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Re: Grand Central Parkway (ONLY)

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Feb 10 09:50:55 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway (ONLY), posted by Express Rider on Sun Feb 10 01:57:11 2019.

Joe DiMaggio Hwy for the West Side Hwy IMO was the worst attempted name change.

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Re: Grand Central Parkway (ONLY)

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Feb 10 09:54:57 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway (ONLY), posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Feb 10 09:26:36 2019.

Was Gil Hodges supposed to the name change for the Marine Parkway Bridge or the Cross Bay Bridge? Either one, add that to name changes that didn't catch on.

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Re: Grand Central Parkway (ONLY)

Posted by R42ToMoffat on Sun Feb 10 10:19:34 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway (ONLY), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Feb 10 09:54:57 2019.

Gil Hodges is for the Marine Parkway Bridge.

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Re: Grand Central Parkway (ONLY)

Posted by R42ToMoffat on Sun Feb 10 10:19:35 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway (ONLY), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Feb 10 09:54:57 2019.

Gil Hodges is for the Marine Parkway Bridge.

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Thread-End

Posted by R42ToMoffat on Sun Feb 10 10:43:41 2019, in response to Grand Central Parkway (ONLY), posted by R42ToMoffat on Sat Feb 9 20:49:05 2019.



I'd like to end this thread. I've taught myself that the change of a name for a bridge, highway, etc. most likely have a significant impact.



It took me until I went to Downtown Brooklyn and told my brother about why the tiles at Atlantic Avenue - Barclays Center still say Pacific Street after he asked me. I realized that for better or worse, names of "landmarks" are likely to be referred to by their new or old names. I'm not speaking for everyone, but on one hand, renaming certain things may come across as censoring. On the other hand, it wouldn't hurt to research the history on what something may have been/looked liked before-hand (if the resources are there).

I guess I need to acknowledge any/everything's historical significance and not censor things that won't have a huge impact.

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Re: Grand Central Parkway (ONLY)

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Feb 10 10:51:51 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway (ONLY), posted by R42ToMoffat on Sun Feb 10 10:19:34 2019.

Thanks.

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Re: Thread-End

Posted by cortelyounext on Sun Feb 10 10:55:42 2019, in response to Thread-End, posted by R42ToMoffat on Sun Feb 10 10:43:41 2019.

As of 101543Z(Universal Time Coordinated) FEB 19 the Grand Central Parkway (ONLY) thread was officially closed. To the 15 individuals who participated, on behalf of the R42ToMoffat I want to take this opportunity to thank you for your thoughtful contributions. As for the rest us who, for reasons that or which may or may not have been warranted, our lack of involvement is our loss.

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Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway

Posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 10 11:13:27 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by R42ToMoffat on Sat Feb 9 14:57:02 2019.

It's the Triboro Bridge. Battery Tunnel, and Midtown Tunnel. I have no use for these silly renamings.

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Re: Grand Central Parkway (ONLY)

Posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 10 11:48:52 2019, in response to Grand Central Parkway (ONLY), posted by R42ToMoffat on Sat Feb 9 20:49:05 2019.

Who cares?

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Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway

Posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 10 11:51:04 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 9 22:58:27 2019.

Thank you.

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Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway

Posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 10 11:55:33 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by ntrainride on Sun Feb 10 01:46:33 2019.

It's an awful name. It doesn't even say what boroughs it goes between. It could a name for the Henry Hudson Parkway or the Belt Parkway or the Verrazzano Bridge or the BQE. They are all "interboro."

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Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway

Posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 10 11:58:20 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by ntrainride on Sun Feb 10 01:05:12 2019.

I like that.

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Re: Grand Central Parkway (ONLY)

Posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 10 12:10:51 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway (ONLY), posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Feb 10 09:39:31 2019.

I remember seeing other route signs that read Ave. of Americas.

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Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway

Posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 10 12:11:46 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 10 11:13:27 2019.

Fine for you, but in a few years you'll get blank stares when using those names to give someone directions or otherwise.

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Re: Grand Central Parkway (ONLY)

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Feb 10 13:06:01 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway (ONLY), posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Feb 10 09:39:31 2019.

Not only that, all the post war (B Div) series cars had "F 6th Ave." on their front & side destination roll signs, long after 6Th Ave was "officially" changed to Avenue of the Americas. To me that sealed the deal about the name change never catching on.

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Re: Grand Central Parkway (ONLY)

Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Feb 10 13:07:14 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway (ONLY), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Feb 10 09:50:55 2019.

In my book, the worst one was naming the Queensboro Bridge after Ed Koch!

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Re: Thread-End

Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Feb 10 13:25:43 2019, in response to Re: Thread-End, posted by cortelyounext on Sun Feb 10 10:55:42 2019.

"And so the curtain must fall. I SAID, AND SO THE CURTAIN MUST FALL!!!".

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Re: Grand Central Parkway (ONLY)

Posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 10 13:27:00 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway (ONLY), posted by Elkeeper on Sun Feb 10 13:07:14 2019.

At least they kept Queensboro as part of the name.

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Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway

Posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 10 13:28:20 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 10 12:11:46 2019.

Only from a Millenial.

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Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 10 14:14:31 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 10 11:55:33 2019.

Thank you!

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Re: Thread-End

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 10 14:17:19 2019, in response to Thread-End, posted by R42ToMoffat on Sun Feb 10 10:43:41 2019.






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Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 10 14:17:52 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 10 13:28:20 2019.

So what? Eventually you and all the other crotchety old men will be dead.

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Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 10 14:18:21 2019, in response to Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by R42ToMoffat on Sat Feb 9 13:34:33 2019.

Wrong forum, BTW.

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Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway

Posted by randyo on Sun Feb 10 14:21:30 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by R42ToMoffat on Sat Feb 9 16:42:04 2019.

AFAIK in Queens, avenues, roads and drives are parallel to each other and streets, places and lanes are parallel to each other and perpendicular to the avenues roads and drives. I would imagine that if the roads and drive weren't interspersed with the avenues and the lanes and places with the streets the street and avenue numbers would probably numbers would probably go into the 400s and even 500s.

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Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway

Posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 10 14:25:37 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 10 14:17:52 2019.

As will you after that.

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Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 10 14:26:06 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by randyo on Sun Feb 10 14:21:30 2019.

Terraces go with avenues and courts with streets.

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Re: Grand Central Parkway (ONLY)

Posted by randyo on Sun Feb 10 14:37:39 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway (ONLY), posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Feb 10 09:39:31 2019.

Another route sign that used “Avenue of Americas” was “MM” which was never displayed but actually operated briefly as part ot the KK route. In the AM, 4 KKs returned to Metropolitan to lay up rather than E/Pky or Atlantic. At that time I worked mostly AMs or midnights, so I never found out if those trains returned tp 57 St in the PM or were used for PM M service. In any case while they were de facto MMs, the were always signed as KKs.

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Re: Grand Central Parkway (ONLY)

Posted by randyo on Sun Feb 10 14:51:54 2019, in response to Grand Central Parkway (ONLY), posted by R42ToMoffat on Sat Feb 9 20:49:05 2019.

Returning to on topic, there are a few stations on the NYCTS that were either never named for what they are called or are still referred to by their original names which were never changed. The original model board at 205 St named the interlocking as “Perry Avenue Interlocking” and the model board at Bedford Pk also showed 205 Xt as “Perry Ave.” The original name of 149 Dt/Grand Concourse lower level was simply “Mott Avenue” since that was the original name of the lower portion of the Concourse yet TA employees always referred to the station as 149/Mott. The Myrtle Av station of the 4 Av subway has always been referred to as “Gold St” even though the original model board and the current one at Dekalb tower labels it as “Myrtle Ave.’ The station at Dyckman St on the IND is called “Dyckman-200 St” and the tower was called “200 St Tower” even though there is no such street in Manhattan as 200 St. From what some of the people I knew who lived in Richmond Hill Queens, Lefferts Avenue was called Lefferts Boulevard for many years before the iND was routed there yet the BMT trains that terminated there as well as the station sign itself carried the name “Lefferts Avenue” until 1956 when the swapover was made and the trains carried the designation Lefferts Blvd and the station sign was changed.

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Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway

Posted by randyo on Sun Feb 10 14:52:41 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 10 14:26:06 2019.

I forgot about those.

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Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Feb 10 15:14:06 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by andy on Sat Feb 9 20:02:42 2019.

Except, the service road is not Long Island Expressway Service road, it's Horace Harding, so it's not really "obliterated".

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Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Feb 10 15:53:34 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by ntrainride on Sun Feb 10 01:05:12 2019.

I think that might apply more for the Grand Central Pky, especially in Queens.

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Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 10 16:26:34 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 10 14:25:37 2019.

Yes. Decades later. By which time “RFK Bridge” might catch on.

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Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway

Posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 10 16:31:45 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 10 16:26:34 2019.

Maybe.
Mario Cuomo Bridge is not.


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Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway

Posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 10 17:05:32 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 10 16:31:45 2019.

What basis do you have for that statement?

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Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway

Posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 10 17:11:25 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by randyo on Sun Feb 10 14:21:30 2019.

Yes and no. There are places where street or avenue numbers are skipped, such as in far western Astoria. Also, the lesser designations - road, drive, etc. - are generally reserved for short roads a few blocks long that are in between the longer avenues and streets, and thus don't merit the primary designation.

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Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway

Posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 10 17:14:59 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Feb 10 15:53:34 2019.

Yes, you are right. It runs along the top of the moraine.

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Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway

Posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 10 17:44:07 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 10 17:05:32 2019.

It is still called the Tappan Zee Bridge, even though it is a new bridge.

"RFK Bridge" makes no intuitive sense nor have a sense of place. If they called it "Triboro RFK" like Newark-Liberty" or "Reagan-National" it would.

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Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway

Posted by randyo on Sun Feb 10 17:51:12 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 10 17:11:25 2019.

Sort of like the Bay streets in Bath Beach Bkln intertwined with the avenues.

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Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway

Posted by K. Trout on Sun Feb 10 18:07:24 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by randyo on Sun Feb 10 14:21:30 2019.

Format of Queens Streets:

Streets typically run north-south beginning at the western border of the borough. Avenues run east-west beginning at the northern border. Therefore, the theoretical intersection of 1st Street and 1st Avenue is at the extreme northwestern part of Queens.

The Streets are laid out in an approximately linear fashion. They begin at 1st Street and increase numerically towards the eastern border. They currently go as high as 271st Street. When the blocks are small or are added after the initial layout and assignment, additional names appear. After Street would come Place followed, if required, by Lane. This is why only some numbers have the additional designation of Place or Lane. For example, if two streets were to be added between 21st Street and 22nd Street, the order would become 21st Street, 21st Place, 21st Lane and then 22nd Street.

Similarly, the Avenues go to the southern border and go as high as 167th Avenue. When the blocks are small or are added after the initial layout and assignment, additional names appear. These are assigned, in order, Road, Drive, then Terrace. This is why only some numbers have the additional designations of Road, Drive or Terrace. As an example, if three streets were to be added between 21st Avenue and 22nd Avenue, the sequence would become 21st Avenue, 21st Road, 21st Drive, 21st Terrace, and then 22nd Avenue.


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Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Feb 10 18:20:39 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 10 17:14:59 2019.

Its really freaky inasmuch you are eastbound on the GCP in the Fresh Meadows/Jamaica Estates area & to the right (south), the terrain is flat as a pancake while to the left (north) the land is hilly & uneven.

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Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway

Posted by pragmatist on Sun Feb 10 18:25:46 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Feb 10 18:20:39 2019.

Most discernible at Hillside Ave

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Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 10 19:00:48 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by K. Trout on Sun Feb 10 18:07:24 2019.

Where is 167th Avenue? The highest is 165.

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Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway

Posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 10 20:02:38 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 10 19:00:48 2019.

Yep, every map I've seen shows 165th as the highest.

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Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway

Posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 10 20:09:17 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 10 19:00:48 2019.

Its an obvious error. I looked around other parts of the linked site. It has tables of name changes with the original names of all numbered streets. The highest numbered avenue in the tables is 165.

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Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway

Posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Mon Feb 11 01:42:40 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by K. Trout on Sun Feb 10 18:07:24 2019.

And then there was the oddball: Crescent. Burden Crescent and Pershing Crescent. Both in Briarwood near to Manton St, 84th Ave and PS 117.

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