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Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway
Posted by R42ToMoffat on Sat Feb 9 13:34:33 2019 Not too long ago, I saw on the news that the Verrazano Bridge got its name altered to fix a mistake in the spelling of its name. Then I started thinking about other things that should be changed. It's not necessarily a mistake, but I feel that Grand Central Parkway and the Long Island Expressway should have their names changed. The western side of the GCP ends up becoming the RFK/Triboro Bridge. The western side of the LIE ends up becoming the Queens-Midtown Tunnel, which dumps out at 35th Street & 37th Street, just east of 3rd Avenue. This may be not knowing too much history, but shouldn't the names be changed?
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Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway
Posted by Henry R32 #3730* on Sat Feb 9 14:25:45 2019, in response to Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by R42ToMoffat on Sat Feb 9 13:34:33 2019.* (1) why? The Long Island Expressway's entire length is on Long Island, it's one of the most aptly named expressways we have. You have a slightly stronger case for the Grand Central Parkway... but while the name isn't obvious as to what it is, what other name should it be? Named after Some Dude like many other roads? Or do you mean they should be swapped? The Long Island Parkway and the Grand Central Expressway - while slightly more fitting, that would result in a lot of confusion and potentially a whole lot of trucks hitting bridges on the LIP. (2) Road chat generally lives on the OT board...
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Posted by R42ToMoffat* on Sat Feb 9 14:57:02 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Feb 9 14:25:45 2019.* I'm saying that the current Grand Central Parkway should have its name changed (maybe to the RFK Parkway since it leads to the RFK Bridge) and that the Long Island Expressway should become the Grand Central Expressway, since the Midtown Tunnel empties out a few blocks down from Grand Central.
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Posted by Elkeeper* on Sat Feb 9 15:39:24 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by R42ToMoffat on Sat Feb 9 14:57:02 2019.* Don't forget that the eastern end of the Grand Central Parkway becomes the Northern State Parkway. Why not make the whole thing the Northern State? You wish to name the GCP after a Massachusetts carpetbagger, who never lived in NY?
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Posted by R42ToMoffat* on Sat Feb 9 15:57:31 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Feb 9 15:39:24 2019.* It was just a suggestion, I would name the whole thing the Northern State Parkway. (Considering what happened with the Tappan Zee Bridge)
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Posted by andy* on Sat Feb 9 16:01:03 2019, in response to Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by R42ToMoffat on Sat Feb 9 13:34:33 2019.* Those roadway names have been around since the 1930s (Grand Central) and 1950s (LI Expressway). To change them now would confuse the hell out of everyone.
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Posted by Elkeeper* on Sat Feb 9 16:16:19 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by R42ToMoffat on Sat Feb 9 15:57:31 2019.* I liked Bobby Kennedy, until he packed his carpetbag and moved to NY. Then, he used his election to the US Senate as a springboard to run for president. And they named a bridge after him?
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train* on Sat Feb 9 16:23:52 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by andy on Sat Feb 9 16:01:03 2019.* correct! In the case of a martyr--MLK, JFK, Cermak, these are worth doing--but merely changing a geographic name is a silly waste.
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Posted by R42ToMoffat* on Sat Feb 9 16:29:13 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Feb 9 16:16:19 2019.* The Triborough Bridge officially became the Robert F. Kennedy Bridge. It’s the same with how the Queensboro/59th Street Bridge officially became the Ed Koch Queensboro Bridge, when they built the new Tappan Zee Bridge it became the Governor Mario M. Cuomo Bridge, the Brooklyn-Battery Tunnel became the Hugh L. Carey Tunnel, etc.
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Posted by andy* on Sat Feb 9 16:36:47 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by R42ToMoffat on Sat Feb 9 16:29:13 2019.* The difference is that Ed Koch, Mario Cuomo, and Hugh Carey weren't carpetbaggers who came to NY to further their own personal ambitions. Ironically Robert Kennedy's Senate seat became Hillary Clinton's seat in 2000, an even worse example of a carpetbagger.
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Posted by R42ToMoffat* on Sat Feb 9 16:42:04 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Feb 9 16:23:52 2019.* Could the same thing be said when different boroughs share street names? Or for instances where in Queens, you literally have streets named 108th Avenue, 108th Drive, 108th Road & 108th Street?
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Posted by R42ToMoffat* on Sat Feb 9 16:48:36 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by andy on Sat Feb 9 16:36:47 2019.* Who was Horace Harding?
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730* on Sat Feb 9 16:53:00 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by R42ToMoffat on Sat Feb 9 16:29:13 2019.* There's still a fight to get Tappan Zee back into the Cuomo bridge's name. Odd, erasing a Native American name from a landmark in exchange for an old white dude doesn't get a peep from the PC police, as long as that white dude's a democrat.
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Posted by pragmatist* on Sat Feb 9 16:56:54 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by R42ToMoffat on Sat Feb 9 16:48:36 2019.* a money guy, a director of NY Municipal Railwayss, and a supporter of Moses' plans...
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Posted by italianstallion* on Sat Feb 9 17:08:53 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by andy on Sat Feb 9 16:36:47 2019.* Both of them were excellent Senators in representing the interests of New York. Many prominent New Yorkers came from somewhere else.
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Posted by italianstallion* on Sat Feb 9 17:09:32 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by R42ToMoffat on Sat Feb 9 16:48:36 2019.* A boulevardier.
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Posted by italianstallion* on Sat Feb 9 17:12:18 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Feb 9 16:53:00 2019.* I don't think anyone, except maybe residents of the town of Tappan, have any idea it was a Lenape word. It sounds English to me. Cuomo's being a Democrat has nothing to do with it.
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Posted by italianstallion* on Sat Feb 9 17:13:24 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by R42ToMoffat on Sat Feb 9 16:42:04 2019.* The Queens address system is logical and well constructed.
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Posted by MATHA531* on Sat Feb 9 17:23:15 2019, in response to Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by R42ToMoffat on Sat Feb 9 13:34:33 2019.* I have a great idea How about renaming the Battery Tunnel for another pathetic carpetbagger? How about renaming the Battery How about renaming the Battery Tunnel for another pathetic carpetbagger? Anybody for the Hillary Clinton Tunnel? e
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Posted by chud1* on Sat Feb 9 17:41:39 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by R42ToMoffat on Sat Feb 9 14:57:02 2019.* leave da names as they are, please. chud1. :).....
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Posted by subfan* on Sat Feb 9 17:41:42 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 9 17:12:18 2019.* I always thought it was Dutch, and meant "calm sea" - which is what the original Dutch explorers called the Hudson (they thought it was a sea, not a river). subfan
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Posted by italianstallion* on Sat Feb 9 17:45:32 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by subfan on Sat Feb 9 17:41:42 2019.* Tappan is Lenape for cold water. Zee is Dutch for sea. The Dutch did not call the actual Hudson River a sea. Henry Hudson thought the widening at the Tappan Zee was a sea opening to the Northwest Passage.
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Posted by AlM* on Sat Feb 9 18:06:53 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 9 17:45:32 2019.* Huh. In German, see is lake, which is what I always assumed zee meant in Dutch.
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Posted by italianstallion* on Sat Feb 9 18:12:54 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 9 18:06:53 2019.* I actually thought that too, but several translation apps tell me it is sea. In general, Dutch is closer to English than German is.
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Posted by italianstallion* on Sat Feb 9 18:18:06 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 9 18:06:53 2019.* Found this tidbit on a linguistics site: The words for: sea; and lake respectively, in Dutch, are: zee; and meer, whereas the German translation of the same is: das Meer; and der See. This striking, almost completely opposing, contrast between the current Dutch terms and the German terms has been noted numerous times.
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Posted by AlM* on Sat Feb 9 18:22:19 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 9 18:18:06 2019.* Of course. Harlem Meer. I'd never realized this before.
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Posted by italianstallion* on Sat Feb 9 18:27:59 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 9 18:22:19 2019.* Yep. Neat, huh?
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Sat Feb 9 19:04:44 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Feb 9 16:16:19 2019.* I don't have a problem re-naming the Triboro bridge after Robert F. Kennedy, what I don't get is why did they wait 40 yrs after his death to do the re-naming??.
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Posted by pragmatist* on Sat Feb 9 19:15:13 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Feb 9 16:16:19 2019.* Had he not been assassinated, he actually had a pretty good chance of winning both the Democratic nomination, and the election.
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Posted by italianstallion* on Sat Feb 9 19:25:43 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by pragmatist on Sat Feb 9 19:15:13 2019.* Yep.
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Posted by andy* on Sat Feb 9 20:02:42 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by pragmatist on Sat Feb 9 16:56:54 2019.* From the NY Times, April 3, 1994: "James Horace Harding was a broker with as much interest in golf as in stocks. In the years after World War I he frequently traveled from Manhattan to Long Island to play golf, a trip that sometimes took as long as four hours over rough roads. Hoping to get Queens officials to build a thoroughfare, he personally commissioned engineering studies, and the road was finally built in the administration of Mayor James J. Walker, who opened it in 1928 as Nassau Boulevard. Harding died in 1929 (when golf, at least, still looked promising). Though construction of the Long Island Expressway in the 1950's largely obliterated the old road, Mr. Harding has kept his small, but concrete, place in city history."
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Grand Central Parkway (ONLY)
Posted by R42ToMoffat* on Sat Feb 9 20:49:05 2019, in response to Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by R42ToMoffat on Sat Feb 9 13:34:33 2019.* I think I may have successfully contradicted myself. I taught myself how to do research and saw that it actually ended all the way out in Calverton. I originally started this thread wondering why the LIE connected to the Midtown Tunnel, which emptied out a few blocks of from Grand Central station. So I guess my question now is, would it be better to combine the Grand Central Parkway & the Northern State Parkway to become the Northern State Parkway entirely, the Robert F. Kennedy Parkway or the Triborough Parkway?
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Posted by Steamdriven* on Sat Feb 9 20:57:27 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by pragmatist on Sat Feb 9 19:15:13 2019.* O/T about RFK: A thing that no one mentions is that RFK's assassination was true terrorism: it was done for a specific political purpose. The assassin, Sirhan Sirhan, was hostile to the USA and believed RFK would be favorable to the state of Israel, which Sirhan wanted to eliminate. Sirhan was an Arab living in territory Jordan had previously taken from Israel, which is still disputed. In the 1960s, in an effort by various parties hostile to the USA, a new term was coined for the Jordanians, Syrians and a handful of nomadic people living in that spot: "Palestinian". That, in turn, comes from a Latin word coined by the Roman Empire in the 1st century A.D, "Palestine", which in turn came from an ancient, perhaps mythical people described in the Bible over a thousand years before that, the Philistines. Sirhan was a Jordanian citizen who lived in the spot renamed as 'Palestinian'. Years later, Nidal Hassan followed the path of Sirhan Sirhan, though with a more generalized intent to weaken and injure the USA. In the USA, we forget the Old World's history. In the Mideast, history remembers you.
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Sat Feb 9 21:51:12 2019, in response to Grand Central Parkway (ONLY), posted by R42ToMoffat on Sat Feb 9 20:49:05 2019.* I say no. Leave the existing names alone. It will only create confusion. All the old names are buried in everyones mind. Changes do more harm than good. Too bad nobody got the hint when they changed 6th Ave to Avenue of the Americas. That never caught on & never will. So Its still the Triboro Bridge, Queensboro Bridge, West Side Highway, BKLYN Battery tunnel & Tappan Zee bridge...and always will be.
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Posted by jimmymc25* on Sat Feb 9 22:20:34 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Feb 9 16:16:19 2019.* I like Bobby K too. But I don't feel that we need a bridge or other roadways named after him. Actually I'm not keen on naming stuff after our political folk to begin with. It's still the Triborough to me, Over on the hudson side, sorry Gov, Mario.....the new bridge is still the Tappan Zee.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sat Feb 9 22:46:23 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Feb 9 14:25:45 2019.* In the case of the GCP, it is grand and it is central (as far as parkways go), but it's a weird name because it happens to be shared with a more famous railroad terminal with which it has no connection whatsoever. I speculate that during the planning of the road they chose the name as a dig at the Long Island Motor Parkway, owned by William K. Vanderbilt II.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sat Feb 9 22:50:59 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Feb 9 15:39:24 2019.* Nothing wrong with carpetbagging.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sat Feb 9 22:58:27 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by Steamdriven on Sat Feb 9 20:57:27 2019.* Response moved to OTChat
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sat Feb 9 23:06:59 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 9 17:08:53 2019.* Response moved to OTChat
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sat Feb 9 23:09:52 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 9 17:13:24 2019.* IAWTP
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Re: Grand Central Parkway (ONLY)
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sat Feb 9 23:10:28 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway (ONLY), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Feb 9 21:51:12 2019.* Jackie Robinson Parkway caught on.
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Sat Feb 9 23:24:49 2019, in response to Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by R42ToMoffat on Sat Feb 9 13:34:33 2019.* It wasn't a mistake in spelling. Why do you make these hairbag posts?
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Posted by R42ToMoffat* on Sat Feb 9 23:30:44 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway (ONLY), posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 9 23:10:28 2019.* This is what I’m getting at. There are bridges, highways, streets, tunnels, etc. that have had their names changed or at the very least co-signed and they turned out just fine. Like you said, the Jackie Robinson Parkway used to be the Interboro Parkway. North of Fulton Street, Utica Avenue becomes Malcolm X Boulevard (which used to be Reid Avenue). JFK Airport used to Idlewild Airport. I’m not trying to erase history, I’m just wondering what could be a name change that isn’t too controversial/polarizing.
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Posted by R42ToMoffat* on Sat Feb 9 23:37:22 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Feb 9 23:24:49 2019.* Verrazano’s name is supposed to be spelled with two z‘s...
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Sun Feb 10 00:30:15 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by R42ToMoffat on Sat Feb 9 23:37:22 2019.* I'm aware of that as well as those that made the decision to omit a letter z back when they named the bridge.
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Posted by ntrainride* on Sun Feb 10 01:05:12 2019, in response to Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by R42ToMoffat on Sat Feb 9 13:34:33 2019.* long island expressway: i vote for calling it the "terminal moraine expressway".
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Posted by ntrainride* on Sun Feb 10 01:46:33 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by jimmymc25 on Sat Feb 9 22:20:34 2019.* the interboro parkway is the best name ever for a new york city highway. screw the new name.
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Posted by Express Rider* on Sun Feb 10 01:57:11 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway (ONLY), posted by R42ToMoffat on Sat Feb 9 23:30:44 2019.* Maybe it caught on since Jackie Robinson was not some distant politician, he was an honest individual with tremendous talent, the pride of Brooklyn and New York.
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Posted by ntrainride* on Sun Feb 10 02:01:34 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway & Long Island Expressway, posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 9 17:13:24 2019.* agreed.
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Posted by Express Rider* on Sun Feb 10 02:03:36 2019, in response to Re: Grand Central Parkway (ONLY), posted by Express Rider on Sun Feb 10 01:57:11 2019.* PS - and when you say his name, you smile....
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