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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Wed Jan 16 09:52:55 2019 Tuscarora Almanac - January 16, 1905 - The Book of First Runs Manhattan, New York Interborough Rapid Transit Company The first section of the Contract II subway is opened from Brooklyn Bridge to Fulton Street. A new station is opened at Fulton Street - Broadway. Tuscaora Almanac - January 16, 1949 - The Book of Last Runs (West Coast Division) San Francisco, California San Francisco Municipal Railway Today was the last day of streetcar service on San Francisco Muni's former Market Street Railway streetcar lines using Mission Street, which extended from the Ferry Building, then south and southwest through San Francisco. These were lines 14-Mission, 11-Mission & Hoffman (short turn to Noe Valley via 22nd and 24th Streets), 9-Valencia, and most notably the Line 40-Interurban to San Mateo. Line 14 was bustituted, but eventually converted to trolley coach. Lines 11 and 9 were converted to motor coach, and, in the case of the 9, renumbered to 26. The 40-Line interurban was abandoned outright-a devastating loss. (This would have made a great LRT line today!) Interestingly, much of the area served by the 40-Line was eventually re-served by rail when BART opened its extension to San Francisco International Airport and Millbrae in 1993. This set of conversions left just one block of former MSRy streetcar lines to be axed: the Sutter Street group. These lasted about six more months. Source: Inside Muni, by McKane & Perles, and many other sources. Milantram (Peter Ehrlich) Tuscarora Almanac – January 16, 1958 – The Book of First Runs Far Rockaway, New York New York City Transit Authority Rockaway Division The Far Rockaway Line is extended one stop from Beach 25th Street-Wavecrest to Far Rockaway-Mott Avenue. Source: New York Division Bulletin /January 2006 Tuscarora Almanac – January 16, 1978 – The Book of First Runs Manhattan, New York New York City Transit Authority Two free transfer points are established by rearranging the turnstiles. The 14th Street station of the IRT 7th Avenue Line is connected to and the IND and BMT stations at 14th Street and 6th Avenue using an already existing tunnel.. The Pacific Street station on the BMT 4th Avenue Line is connected to the IRT and BMT stations at Atlantic Avenue. Source: New York Division Bulletin /February 1980, article by Mr. Bernard Linder Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Jan 16 12:32:14 2019, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for January 16, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Wed Jan 16 09:52:55 2019. I wonder why they didn't also connect IRT 7th Ave. with IND and BMT 14th St. and 8th Ave. using that existing tunnel? |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 16 |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Wed Jan 16 15:15:10 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 16, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Jan 16 12:32:14 2019. I wondered about that myself Bob. I used to work at 14th Street and Eighth Avenue and remember walking through that tunnel. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 16 |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Jan 16 16:00:11 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 16, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Wed Jan 16 15:15:10 2019. I used 14th St. 8th Ave. 1966-1970. I don't recall the 7th to 8th tunnel being open during that time.I thought it was fenced off then. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 16 |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jan 16 16:53:47 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 16, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Jan 16 16:00:11 2019. my dim recollection from the same time frame |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 16 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jan 16 20:05:57 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 16, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Jan 16 16:00:11 2019. I used that station every Saturday from 1967 to 1970 - to transfer to the Lonesome Larry and its mean old BMT standards until they left the scene in 1969. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 16 |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Jan 17 00:15:15 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 16, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jan 16 20:05:57 2019. I railfanned that, especially for the Standards, with a friend sometime in 1966-67. A great ride on the old cars. And made sure to get photos at E.105th. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jan 17 19:12:31 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 16, posted by Express Rider on Thu Jan 17 00:15:15 2019. To me, it was cruel and unusual punishment to ride on the standards. I didn't care for them because they didn't have signs up front when I was used to seeing them there. I have now come to appreciate them for what they were - durable, dependable and damn near indestructible. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 16 |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Jan 17 20:23:19 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 16, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jan 17 19:12:31 2019. I liked their exterior appearance, doors/windows combination from the very start. The first place I saw them was the Rocky Graziano biopic from years back, "Somebody Up There Likes Me." Paul Newman played Rocky.He and his friends are up to no good with the vending machines that used to be mounted on the platform pillars (a friend later told me the scene was shot at Chambers St.). A transit worker (?) starts to go after them, and they get on the train that's just pulled into the station and the doors close. It was a Standard - I just thought it was the coolest looking car (to each his own I guess). And several months or so later I answered a Silver Leaf Rapid Transit ad, and was sent a brochure about their new HO model Standard - a 1/2 view (side view)of the a Standard* at the top of the page and a short history. The entire brochure was about 4 pages, I think it also included a description of a gate car model (BU?). It went right into my BMT file folder. I still have it. *real, not the model |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Jan 18 00:42:52 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 16, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Jan 16 12:32:14 2019. I don't think they would have connected both, that would make the 6th Ave. and 8th Ave. stations on the 14th St. line part of the same "station". But the 7th to 8th Ave. tunnel did remain open outside fare control for at least a little while after the 7th to 6th tunnel became a free transfer. Anyone know how long? It may have been only a few months. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 16 |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jan 18 02:19:32 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 16, posted by Express Rider on Thu Jan 17 20:23:19 2019. In all the times I rode the BMT from the late 1950s till they were removed from service in 1969, I never heard any of the NYCTS employees refer to the 67 ft cars as “standards.” In the Southern Div they were referred to as “ABs”to differentiate them from the D types. In the Eastern they were referred to simply as “steels” since they were the only heavyweight steel cars in service in the Eastern Div. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Fri Jan 18 02:57:32 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 16, posted by randyo on Fri Jan 18 02:19:32 2019. I guess then, the cars were only referred to as "Standards" in the literature (?) Electric Railway Journal, etc. and later on in various articles or books about the BMT/NYCTS.I thought I read somewhere, that Standards/ AB's were also called "Steels" to differentiate them* from the BU's that ran on the Eastern division, especially during their early years of operation. *such that one "needed" to differentiate cars of such different appearance - heavier subway cars vs. wooden el cars. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jan 18 18:49:48 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 16, posted by Express Rider on Fri Jan 18 02:57:32 2019. The term “steels” was in all likelihood used to differentiate them from the BUs not only in the Eastern but in the Southern as well on lines where el and subway lines shared trackage. All the cars were singles until 1923 or so when the BMT embarked on a program of linking most of the cars in 3 car sets in numerical order which were classified as Bs with the remaining single units classed as As. All were motor cars until the purchase of 50 trailer cars in the 4000 series. The 2400 series cars were initially coupled in several configurations. Some were coupled as M-T-M units with a 4000 series trailer in the middle and classed as BXs. Some were coupled as 2 car M-M units and classed as BT and a small number were coupled with a 4000 series trailer as 2 car AX units with some of the 4000 series cars equipped with controls to serve as control trailers. Eventually all the 2400s and 4000. Most of the single a cars were in the 2600 series with a few singles from other groups left as singles since they didn’t fit into the consecutive numbering scheme of the B units. All the steels had maximum traction trucks and since maximum traction trucks don't mix well with trailer cars in the consist, only one BX unit was allowed per train and BCXs were banned from the Manhattan Br although a few did occasionally find their way there. Also single BX units were not allowed to run in passenger service so when trains were cut at night to 3 cars while both sections of a train of Bs could be operated, the BX had to be laid up. The BX series lasted until circa 1960 when the NYCTA overhauled the ABs and decided to scrap the 4000s and replace them in the former BX units with a single A car from the 2600 series essentially converting them to Bs. Since the number of single As was reduced, a number of 2400 series cars from the former BX unite were coupled together into 2 car BT units which were added to trains of 2 B units to make 8 car trains for the services that required them. Exactly when the crews started calling them ABs I don’t know but I suspect that it started when a significant number of D types started to appear on the Southern Div lines and it seems that the term was used only in the Southern Division since as late as the early 1960s when I started serious railfanning, Eastern Div crews always referred to them as “steels” with the only other class of non wooden cars were the Multis and those cars were referred to by that name until the end. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat Jan 19 12:30:04 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 16, posted by randyo on Fri Jan 18 18:49:48 2019. Thank you for putting all this information in one place. Also for jogging my memory about the BT's being used to lengthen trains. I have seen several photos of BT's in service; maybe a BX photo, but for the latter, I really don't remember that.I remember in an earlier post, you wrote that when cars were configured as B-Types, the controls were removed from the center cars' cabs (?) and/or from the inner cabs of the unit on each end (?). Which numbering series were the controls removed from? And, were these the controls that were installed in the 4000's? Were controls removed from all inner cabs of cars that were B-Types, or just enough to equip the 4000s? When the 4000s were scrapped, were any of the controls saved for spare parts or re-use, or were they not removed and thus scrapped along with the cars? Thank you in advance. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jan 19 15:35:53 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 16, posted by Express Rider on Sat Jan 19 12:30:04 2019. The 4000's were trailers and were scrapped early. Therefore they had no controls. Pretty sure they were a permanent part of a 3 car set. They were before my time.All I remember was seeing the Standards in their late years. There were 3 car pieces consisting of a 2400/2600/2400. I assume back in the day the spot of the 2600 used to contain a 4000 series car. I also remember consecutive numbered 2500 series cars and high 2600's and 2700's as single cars. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jan 19 15:35:53 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 16, posted by Express Rider on Sat Jan 19 12:30:04 2019. The 4000's were trailers and were scrapped early. Therefore they had no controls. Pretty sure they were a permanent part of a 3 car set. They were before my time.All I remember was seeing the Standards in their late years. There were 3 car pieces consisting of a 2400/2600/2400. I assume back in the day the spot of the 2600 used to contain a 4000 series car. I also remember consecutive numbered 2500 series cars and high 2600's and 2700's as single cars. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jan 19 16:45:06 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 16, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jan 19 15:35:53 2019. A small number of 4000s did have controls at one end and as I mentioned in my post were coupled to single 2400 series cars to form an AX unit. Those units didn’t last too long and another 2400 series car was added to make the units into BXs and the controls removed. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sun Jan 20 00:17:24 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 16, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jan 19 15:35:53 2019. I began riding the Standards, 1966-67 in their later years also. Raifanned with a friend on the Canarsie line, and in 1968, the Myrtle-Chambers Exp. - a great ride: over the bridge and then express to Myrtle- Broadway.Perhaps you were riding them a few years earlier than me if you lived in the city? I remember seeing most of the same numbered series of cars as you mentioned: the 2400-2600 units; 2500's numbered in 3 units. And also the 2700s, though I just remember seeing these in trains, don't remember them as single units (though maybe I noticed that at the time - that was 50-52 years ago!!??) - same with single 2600s I might have seen. I wish I could have ridden the B-types in service on the Southern Division, but that was just before I became seriously interested in NY transit. The D-Types I remember riding in Manhattan with my family on various city trips. Thanks for sharing your memories. |
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