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Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...''

Posted by ntrainride on Thu Nov 15 10:11:36 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by LuchAAA on Wed Nov 14 23:15:21 2018.

...and, for the many unused industrial buildings...roof top mini farms, for rich gentleman farmers. strawberries, string beans, punkin's...

though that'll probably have to wait 'til the children of today's hipster parents grow up.

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Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...''

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 15 10:14:44 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by ntrainride on Thu Nov 15 10:11:36 2018.

Those unused industrial buildings will either be turned into lofts, or torn down and replaced with the condos Luch talked about.

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Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...''

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Nov 15 20:01:42 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Thu Nov 15 09:42:45 2018.

That might have been the bone the MTA threw at the Islanders & the Nets to get them to play there at Barclays

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Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...''

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Nov 15 20:10:36 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by 3-9 on Wed Nov 14 12:17:17 2018.

I can think of a few:
(1) Instead of an overburdened transportation network, they have one with plenty of room to grow.
(2) Lower taxes.
(3) Lower housing (and living) costs for employees.
(4) Less traffic.
(5) Centrally located in the NEC to bring in talent from both ends of the NY-WAS corridor - they could have kept it as one HQ.

I would have much preferred to see it in Philly, though I think they offered a spot near Pattison (or whatever it's called now) instead of somewhere near Regional Rail like over by 30st.

Maybe they wanted a split HQ2 all along, and Philly was just too close to Arlington (let's be realistic the DC area was almost a sure thing).

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Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...''

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Nov 15 20:52:53 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by AlM on Thu Nov 15 02:08:55 2018.

There's probably a logistical reason for it. In any case, if someone does not feel safe walking down the block, they can stay in the building until daylight. It is impossible to starve in there, and there's places intended for napping in that would probably make good places to sleep in case of emergency.

I've slept over in offices a few times, It's not horrible (though not for safety, but to perform maintenance very late at night and being carless, the buses had stopped running and I don't trust Albany cabs to get me anywhere on time).

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Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...''

Posted by Joe V on Fri Nov 16 07:29:59 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Nov 15 20:10:36 2018.

They want a large pool of skilled workers. They may have thought NYC and DC suburbs have a better supply than the Philly area.

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Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...''

Posted by AlM on Fri Nov 16 07:48:38 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Nov 15 20:10:36 2018.

Except for (5), all of those apply to pretty much all of their options. Obviously low cost wasn't a major goal; the main goal was access to talent.


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Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...''

Posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Nov 16 09:16:42 2018, in response to "New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...", posted by Think twice on Wed Nov 7 20:45:22 2018.

Chances are pretty good that the number of workers at the HQ2 won't be anywhere near the forecast and therefore won't burden the transit system as much as feared. Major corporate relocations now seem to turn out that way. Case in point is the Foxconn LCD plant in Wisconsin, which got bigger subsidies from the state than Amazon is getting from NYC, and now will be much smaller and with far fewer jobs than forecast.

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Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...''

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Nov 16 13:02:34 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by AlM on Fri Nov 16 07:48:38 2018.

My list was more why Philly would be better than NYC or DC.

In any event, many of the other options have underdeveloped transportation systems. Chicago, Toronto, and maybe Boston would have been good, but the others think their one light rail line (if even that much) put them in a league with NYC. Philly is in the unique position where they once had fierce private railroad competition to build out commuter networks in their heyday, but no longer need that level of capacity. Yet they have miraculously not only kept most of the infrastructure intact in the areas that matter most (close to the city core) but the center city tunnel added immense value to it. Philly could be a city with transportation on the level of Sydney or Melbourne without spending a cent or second of time on ROW acquisition and NIMBY appeasement, the biggest impediments to enhancing transit in already developed cities.

And then, low cost for the employees means that the salary goes farther. I have had several chances to transfer to NYC, but I would have to double my rent payments to get half the living space, and add in commuting costs and time on top of that.

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Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...''

Posted by randyo on Fri Nov 16 16:56:34 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Nov 16 13:02:34 2018.

I agree about the rents. Whenever I go to another city either on vacation or a convention I always pick up a real estate booklet and am amazed at the difference between rents in places like St Louis and Cincinnati vs rents in NY.

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