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Posted by Joe V on Mon Nov 5 21:08:00 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by pragmatist on Mon Nov 5 20:05:03 2018. I thought that was just west of Exit 17 Malverne ? |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Nov 5 21:08:24 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by pragmatist on Mon Nov 5 20:05:03 2018. the conduit boulevard/sunrise hwy option is always available. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Nov 5 21:10:05 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by pragmatist on Mon Nov 5 20:10:40 2018. low bridges were there to prohibit trucks. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Mon Nov 5 21:22:20 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Mon Nov 5 21:08:00 2018. maybe, i didn't think they could get that far east... |
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Posted by pragmatist on Mon Nov 5 21:23:27 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by ntrainride on Mon Nov 5 21:10:05 2018. most historians would disagree with that... |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Nov 5 21:48:48 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by pragmatist on Mon Nov 5 21:23:27 2018. when the parkways were built there were plenty of white people living in neighborhoods that eventually turned black and hispanic (and which now have white folks moving back into...hah). so you could easily say that he didn't want to see poor white folks using the parkways.but like i said, it was a design to keep trucks off. most "historians" who claim otherwise are just idiots attempting to validate their own personal biases. the fact that there were many ways to leave the city limits...and that most poor neighborhoods weren't even close to any belt parkway entrances...is always ignored by those geniuses. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Nov 5 23:48:35 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by ntrainride on Mon Nov 5 21:48:48 2018. What a fucktard. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Tue Nov 6 03:50:26 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Mon Nov 5 10:36:39 2018. THANK YOU |
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Posted by ntrainride on Tue Nov 6 05:33:50 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Edwards! on Mon Nov 5 23:48:35 2018. what, exactly, is your problem? |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Tue Nov 6 11:11:47 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by pragmatist on Mon Nov 5 21:22:20 2018. Depends, if the bus remains in the center lane, it may have clearance.But, if in the right or left lane, those clearances may be as low as 8' 10"s . Ouch! For the longest time. pick-up trucks were prohibited even with non-commercial plates. Belt parkway system brides have higher side lane clearances. Southern and Northern States bridges have lower clearances on outer lanes. |
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Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Tue Nov 6 11:17:51 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Avid Reader on Tue Nov 6 11:11:47 2018. And SOME but not all of those SO and NO State parkway overpasses have more than 1 clearance warning sign attached. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 6 17:33:29 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by pragmatist on Mon Nov 5 21:22:20 2018. I think it was near Exit 18, and I was wondering at the time how it got that far. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 6 17:35:59 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by ntrainride on Mon Nov 5 21:10:05 2018. And they also physically prevented buses. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 6 17:41:53 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 6 17:33:29 2018. It was the overpass carrying Eagle Avenue over the parkway. So exit 18. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Nov 6 18:11:08 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by ntrainride on Mon Nov 5 21:48:48 2018. "it was a design to keep trucks off. most "historians" who claim otherwise are just idiots attempting to validate their own personal biases"How do you know these "idiots" are wrong? "and that most poor neighborhoods weren't even close to any belt parkway entrances." You are missing a fundamental point here. KIds from poor neighborhoods don't have to live near the Belt Pky or any parkway.. Thats where the busses come in. They'd be bused from their neighborhood to Long Island. But it just so happens that the clearence then on the parkways was too low to carry kids from poor neighborhoods in buses. What a coincidence. Weather his intent was racist motivated will never be known. Its one of those questions that will never have a sure answer. However, his racist attitudes thru the years along with his many white friends on Long Island lend some credibility to this being racially motivated. BTW look at the big "S" curve in the GCP in the Mineola area. Moses designed that so his white friends would not have to be relocated had the GCP been aligned straight. Just more Moses trechery and abuse of power. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 6 21:03:06 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Nov 6 18:11:08 2018. Yes, Moses thought nothing is destroying entire neighborhoods in the Bronx for a freeway, but puts the GCP on a dangerous reverse curve to avoid a country club. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 6 23:07:25 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by ntrainride on Tue Nov 6 05:33:50 2018. Your ignorance,for starters. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Tue Nov 6 23:27:52 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 6 17:35:59 2018. yawn. nothing has ever prevented any vehicle of any shape, size or form from leaving anywhere in brooklyn or queens and traveling into nassau and suffolk.i really don't get the blindness to this essential truth. do you think that if a bus from bedford stuyvesant or east new york or brownsville or south jamaica or hollis or cambria heights headed to jones beach has to take arterial streets such as atlantic avenue or linden boulevard or conduit boulevard to connect up with sunrise highway to connect with the south bound meadowbrook parkway instead of going all the way down flatbush avenue or pennsylvania avenue or rockaway boulevard or springfield boulevard until it finally gets on the belt parkway to the laurelton parkway to the southern state parkway to the meadowbrook parkway it's some type of a physical manifestation of some bias towards said bus passenger's desire to go jones beach? wow. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Tue Nov 6 23:30:07 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 6 17:35:59 2018. yawn. nothing has ever prevented any vehicle of any shape, size or form from leaving anywhere in brooklyn or queens and traveling into nassau and suffolk.i really don't get the blindness to this essential truth. do you think that if a bus from bedford stuyvesant or east new york or brownsville or south jamaica or hollis or cambria heights headed to jones beach has to take arterial streets such as atlantic avenue or linden boulevard or conduit boulevard to connect up with sunrise highway to connect with the south bound meadowbrook parkway instead of going all the way down flatbush avenue or pennsylvania avenue or rockaway boulevard or springfield boulevard until it finally gets on the belt parkway to the laurelton parkway to the southern state parkway to the meadowbrook parkway it's some type of a physical manifestation of some bias towards said bus passenger's desire to go to jones beach? wow. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 6 23:41:50 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by ntrainride on Tue Nov 6 23:27:52 2018. Because it’s more time consuming. At that point, might as well go to Coney Island or Rockaway instead. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Wed Nov 7 10:30:11 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Nov 6 18:11:08 2018. again, buses can easily get to jones beach from anywhere simply using in-city linear multi-laned arterial highways up to the all access final entrance points of south bound traffic to the beach.nobody's bus was or is blocked. this seems like a suburbanites sense of logic. those who would never ever consider taking routes such as linden or conduit boulevards in order to traverse central brooklyn but instead primly remain on the less-than-optimal circuitous routing of the belt parkway even if that choice adds both extra milage and overall total trip time. those folks "naturally" assume that everybody this is like that hence, the immediate jumping to indignant claims of bias. a bus that loads up at oh i don't know, nostrand avenue and atlantic avenue has a long haul south down nostrand to get on the belt parkway. taking atlantic avenue to any of the southeast headed routes to enter onto the belt parkway would also take a while. once down there though, near JFK, the option of getting to the belt system versus using conduit boulevard / sunrise highway route does not add appreciatively to total trip time. what is it with you suburban guys' fixation with the parkways? |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Nov 7 17:51:57 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by ntrainride on Wed Nov 7 10:30:11 2018. Yeh they can get there physically, but other than some isolated charters, nobody will ride such a scheduled service to Jones BeachNobody on the Belt Pkwy would consider taking Atlantic Avenue across Brooklyn, however direct it looks on the map. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 7 20:08:13 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Wed Nov 7 17:51:57 2018. Not sure I agree. Once, in rush hour, a cab took me from Manhattan to JFK via Atlantic and various parallel avenues. We caught the flight. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 7 20:09:48 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 6 23:41:50 2018. Yes, of course. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 7 20:25:44 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by ntrainride on Mon Nov 5 21:10:05 2018. The bridges are lower than needed to prevent trucks. Some are only 8-9 feet high. Caro's bio of Moses, The Power Broker, claims it was done to prevent urban buses. The source is a quote from one of Moses's engineers. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Nov 7 20:45:42 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by ntrainride on Tue Nov 6 23:27:52 2018. No, it is a reality that no one will ride a shleppy bus to Jones Beach from Brooklyn that goes 25 - 30 MPH and stops at a light every 3 or 4 blocks. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Nov 7 20:46:55 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 7 20:08:13 2018. Tell that to everyone sitting in traffic on the Belt everyday. They aren't going to go that way. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 7 20:56:13 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Wed Nov 7 20:46:55 2018. Given the congestion on Atlantic and nearby streets, I bet a lot of them already do.If Google Maps or Waze tells them that way is faster, they will use it. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Wed Nov 7 21:35:20 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Wed Nov 7 17:51:57 2018. gad. this is tedious. but1. "nobody"? what are we talking about here? a. government or community sponsored periodically scheduled bus trips from inner city communities out to jones beach? when i was a kid back in the late early seventies we used to see multiple bus loads of kids from newark and other new jersey areas stopping at the local grocery store on islip avenue on the central islip / brentwood border, to, idk, let the kids get last minute supplies for their trips to the huge swimming pool in hecksher state park in east Islip (now closed; upkeep was too much for new york state to afford). those buses ran all summer long and they took the long island expressway to exit 56 - route 111 south to islip avenue south to the sunrise highway to the hecksher parkway to the park. so buses from new jersey knew how to make the trip avoiding the parkways almost all the way. d'oh, indeed. or b. a standard bus route from the city to jones beach? like, an n4 "beach branch" route from jamaica? what sense would that make?? and there are no new york city bus routes from brooklyn to nassau. 2. again, "nobody"? tell me, from williamsburg or downtown brooklyn or ridgewood or greenpoint or bushwick or ridgewood or fort green...just how easy is it, do you think, to actually get on the belt parkway? have you ever taken the bqe from metropolitan avenue to the bay ridge merge to the belt parkway out to western nassau county? you think that route is "fast"?? at any time??? oy. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Wed Nov 7 21:51:59 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Wed Nov 7 20:45:42 2018. but "access to jones beach from queens or brooklyn" already has the most efficient transportation infrastructure there could possibly exist dedicated towards that goal...high speed electric trains from numerous in-city stations to the closest location available for rapid transfer to direct non-stop buses to the beach.pretty damn stupid, wouldn't cha' say to just ignore those efficient extant facilities but instead schedule buses from various corners of brooklyn and run them on traffic-filled parkways all the way out to the beach? trust me, even taking the parkways all the way, barely anybody would be willing to put up with that nonsense. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Nov 8 00:25:44 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by ntrainride on Tue Nov 6 23:27:52 2018. Honestly...I never wanted to go to Jones Beach.I wouldn't go there by any mode of transportation. No desire. Hell..Ive travelled to the Jersey shore..many times visiting Many sea sides..never Jones. Even visited Montauk to fish a few times...had big fun,too! In anycase...it is what it is. No use for Long Island. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Nov 8 00:29:31 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Wed Nov 7 17:51:57 2018. Why not?Ive done it plenty of times,and had no real problems getting where I wanted to go. Oh yeah...the street can be hell when ot bogged down with traffic...but what do you want ..a fancy new Cross Brooklyn Expressway? |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Nov 8 17:29:27 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 7 20:56:13 2018. If they are on the Belt in the area of the usual pinch-points, like the Draw Bridge or Pennsylvania Av, they are not schelping up to Atantic AV. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Nov 8 17:31:08 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Edwards! on Thu Nov 8 00:29:31 2018. Nobody headed between the City and Long Island takes Atlantic Avenue, the Conduit, and Sunrise Highway. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Nov 8 17:32:34 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by ntrainride on Wed Nov 7 21:51:59 2018. I never suggested sending buses from the city to Jones Beach. We have the LIRR to Freeport for that. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Nov 8 21:42:44 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Thu Nov 8 17:29:27 2018. Drawbridge is gone now....construction finally almost done in that area.. but keep in mind that we are really talking about decisions that were made a lifetime ago, both Nassau County and many areas of NYC were very different. A much lower percentage of the population had cars in that era, particularly working class. Much more classist in that era than racist, but that was also before so many people moved East from the city to populate Nassau County. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Nov 8 23:26:21 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Thu Nov 8 17:31:08 2018. you tell me how would you drive from fulton street and pacific street to freeport? you have to go east, you're far from the parkways.what route would you take? |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Thu Nov 8 23:41:30 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Thu Nov 8 17:29:27 2018. Many people plan their routes before they get in the car. I know that I do. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Nov 9 00:09:51 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by ntrainride on Thu Nov 8 23:26:21 2018. Seriously...the two streets dont meet up anywhere.So how? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Nov 9 00:37:58 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Thu Nov 8 17:31:08 2018. Hah...Probley the "nobody's" you know. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Fri Nov 9 09:36:17 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Edwards! on Fri Nov 9 00:09:51 2018. basically meaning, anywhere in central brooklyn as a starting point. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Nov 9 11:20:57 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by ntrainride on Thu Nov 8 23:26:21 2018. Not that far.Interboro PARKWAY is right there at Bushwick ave..and the other entrance on Penn and Jamaica. |
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