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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Nov 1 20:21:54 2018 I was told some sixty ex-Manhattan el cars were sent up to Holmes, NY that became Sanita Hills. A summer getaway for NYC Dept of Sanitation employees and their families. About 1957, Sanita Hills was acquired by the Boy Scouts of America and became Camp Sanita. Just about all of the abandoned cars were bull dozed and the land cleared for development. (All photos October 28, 2018) Judging by the serious deterioration of this car, this specimen may never have been used as part of the Boy Scout camp. The Boy Scouts had conventional cabins as well as the "el" cars. Not all of the cars were used. This is as far as I stepped into the car. The floor was spongy and dangerous. This end was the entrance to the car and served as a mini porch. Broad side view of a car of which it's original number is unknown. Nature is claiming the car as one of its own. The opposite end. A car that was once coupled to her sisters and roamed the mighty Manhattan "els" of 2nd, 3rd, 6th, & 9th Aves rests in peace. Just think of how many thousands of people who stood on that platform throughout many decades. The rusty anti-climber The ceiling of the end platform. Notice the two holes in the ceiling that supported the vertical poles that supported the gates. The underside of the car by the end platform. Looks like the original draw bar The simple cinder block foundation that dates back to 1941 or 42. That's when the cars were sent up there. I was contacted by a someone local to the area and invited me to photograph this spectacle. The location and contact will remain anonymous.
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Posted by Dave* on Thu Nov 1 21:20:47 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] What's Left Of Sanita Hills, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Nov 1 20:21:54 2018.* Very nice shots, Bill. Thanks for posting!
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Thu Nov 1 21:40:10 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] What's Left Of Sanita Hills, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Nov 1 20:21:54 2018.* Wow man that's a super catch
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Posted by Peter Rosa* on Thu Nov 1 21:44:09 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] What's Left Of Sanita Hills, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Nov 1 20:21:54 2018.* Excellent photos! The cars look beyond any hope of restoration, but maybe letting nature reclaim them isn't so bad.
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Thu Nov 1 22:43:47 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] What's Left Of Sanita Hills, posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Nov 1 21:44:09 2018.* Agreed
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Thu Nov 1 23:35:03 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] What's Left Of Sanita Hills, posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Nov 1 21:44:09 2018.* he cars look beyond any hope of restoration, but maybe letting nature reclaim them isn't so bad. Well, there's always the firewood option ! Bill Newkirk
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Thu Nov 1 23:38:09 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] What's Left Of Sanita Hills, posted by Dave on Thu Nov 1 21:20:47 2018.* Very nice shots, Bill. Thanks for posting! Thanks Dave. If this car was last occupied in the mid 50's, I would say you're looking at about 60 years of slow deterioration. Bill Newkirk
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Thu Nov 1 23:46:30 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] What's Left Of Sanita Hills, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Nov 1 21:40:10 2018.* Wow man that's a super catch Thanks Catfish. You may or may not see it in the first photo, but the car body is sagging because the stabilizing bar on the other side that tightly kept the body straight has rotted away. When the other goes, then she'll cave in to a pile of debris. Sad :-( Bill Newkirk
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Posted by Express Rider* on Fri Nov 2 01:23:04 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] What's Left Of Sanita Hills, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Nov 1 20:21:54 2018.* Bill, Thank you for posting these photos! Is this the last car left, or are there any others?
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Fri Nov 2 07:05:32 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] What's Left Of Sanita Hills, posted by Express Rider on Fri Nov 2 01:23:04 2018.* Bill, Thank you for posting these photos! Is this the last car left, or are there any others? There may be others, but most likely on private property. Bill Newkirk
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Posted by MainR3664* on Fri Nov 2 07:40:51 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] What's Left Of Sanita Hills, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Nov 1 20:21:54 2018.* Thank You for taking and sharing these pictures.
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Fri Nov 2 07:42:05 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] What's Left Of Sanita Hills, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Nov 2 07:40:51 2018.* Thank You for taking and sharing these pictures. Thanks MainR3664 Bill Newkirk
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Posted by MR RT* on Fri Nov 2 10:55:07 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] What's Left Of Sanita Hills, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Nov 1 20:21:54 2018.* I stayed in the "garage" replacements that the Boy Scouts put up. Didn't see any of the el cars that week-end many years ago.
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Posted by Mitch45* on Fri Nov 2 13:18:47 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] What's Left Of Sanita Hills, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Nov 1 20:21:54 2018.* Most, if not all, of its sister cars that once roamed the Manhattan Els were put to the scrappers torch decades ago. This is one of the very few survivors.
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Fri Nov 2 15:59:44 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] What's Left Of Sanita Hills, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Nov 2 13:18:47 2018.* Most, if not all, of its sister cars that once roamed the Manhattan Els were put to the scrappers torch decades ago. This is one of the very few survivors. Agreed. Bill Newkirk
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Fri Nov 2 18:53:51 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] What's Left Of Sanita Hills, posted by MR RT on Fri Nov 2 10:55:07 2018.* I stayed in the "garage" replacements that the Boy Scouts put up. Didn't see any of the el cars that week-end many years ago. So you were at Camp Sanita ? Bill Newkirk
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN* on Fri Nov 2 21:52:48 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] What's Left Of Sanita Hills, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Nov 1 20:21:54 2018.* Cool photos! I don't know what the status is of the Manhattan el cars of the former Knox and Kane RR. I hope they are still around.
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Fri Nov 2 23:12:29 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] What's Left Of Sanita Hills, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Fri Nov 2 21:52:48 2018.* Cool photos! I don't know what the status is of the Manhattan el cars of the former Knox and Kane RR. I hope they are still around. Thanks, I also don't know what became of that car.
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Posted by kp5308* on Fri Nov 2 23:26:09 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] What's Left Of Sanita Hills, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Nov 1 20:21:54 2018.* Awesome stuff....thanks for posting :o)
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Posted by Mr RT* on Sun Nov 4 17:40:32 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] What's Left Of Sanita Hills, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Nov 2 18:53:51 2018.* Yes, one Winter with Boy Scouts. Didn't see any evidence of El cars when I was there … but I didn't go looking for them either.
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Posted by Bob Andersen* on Mon Nov 5 09:44:46 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] What's Left Of Sanita Hills, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Nov 1 20:21:54 2018.* I went there many times in the early 1960's (Troop 327 Ridgewood Queens). Once, in 1962, the cabin I was in caught fire from a faulty heater and it burned to the ground. No one was hurt.
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Posted by Bob Andersen* on Mon Nov 5 09:56:18 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] What's Left Of Sanita Hills, posted by Bob Andersen on Mon Nov 5 09:44:46 2018.*
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Mon Nov 5 15:12:25 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] What's Left Of Sanita Hills, posted by Bob Andersen on Mon Nov 5 09:56:18 2018.* Awesome ! Those two pics yours ? Bill Newkirk
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Mon Nov 5 15:59:40 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] What's Left Of Sanita Hills, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Nov 5 15:12:25 2018.* Remarkable
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Posted by Andrew Saucci* on Mon Nov 5 19:25:59 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] What's Left Of Sanita Hills, posted by Bob Andersen on Mon Nov 5 09:44:46 2018.* I guess that's one reason they stopped building subway and el cars with wood.
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Posted by Peter Rosa* on Tue Nov 6 00:11:18 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] What's Left Of Sanita Hills, posted by Bob Andersen on Mon Nov 5 09:44:46 2018.* Wow!
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Tue Nov 6 08:16:55 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] What's Left Of Sanita Hills, posted by Bob Andersen on Mon Nov 5 09:56:18 2018.* Check out these links Age & Abandoned All About Camp Sanita Bill Newkirk
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman* on Tue Nov 6 16:18:36 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] What's Left Of Sanita Hills, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Nov 1 20:21:54 2018.* Fascinating!! --Mark
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Posted by Elkeeper* on Tue Nov 6 16:53:57 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] What's Left Of Sanita Hills, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Nov 1 20:21:54 2018.* There were 86 Manhattan el gate cars shipped to Camp Sanitas. All but 18 of them were built before the IRT leased the MER in April, 1904. These 18 gate cars had not been rebuilt into MUDC vestibule cars.
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Posted by Bob Andersen* on Tue Nov 6 17:03:34 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] What's Left Of Sanita Hills, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Nov 5 15:12:25 2018.* No. Someone posted them on my old troop's alumni group.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Tue Nov 6 17:53:03 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] What's Left Of Sanita Hills, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Nov 6 16:53:57 2018.* I wonder. Was it really worthwhile to ship these cars upstate instead of just building shelters from scratch?
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Tue Nov 6 18:24:37 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] What's Left Of Sanita Hills, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Nov 6 16:53:57 2018.* 86 cars, that's a lot. Do you know the former car numbers and what new cabin numbers were assigned ? The "Pullmanettes" had numbers on them. Thanks elkeeper. Bill Newkirk
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Posted by Elkeeper* on Tue Nov 6 20:30:51 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] What's Left Of Sanita Hills, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Nov 6 18:24:37 2018.* Don't know what cabin numbers they got, Bill, but here is a complete list of El cars shipped to Camp Sanitas: Manhattan el cars (built prior to being leased by the IRT): 41, 43, 48, 53, 56, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 66, 70, 84, 88, 89, 92, 94, 96, 98, 100, 105, 115, 117, 120, 128, 129, 130, 131, 134, 136, 137, 138, 141, 144, 145, 146, 149, 154, 155, 156, 158, 160, 163, 164, 165, 166, 169, 170, 171, 176, 177, 182, 183, 188, 190, 192, 195, 200, 201, 203, 206, 207, 209, 219, and 226. Manhattan el car ordered prior to IRT lease and numbered by IRT: 1191. Gate cars ordered by IRT, but not converted to MUDC vestibule cars: 1319, 1333, 1336, 1340, 1342, 1372, 1383, 1387, 1388, 1400, 1406, 1407, 1411, 1413, 1447, 1551, and 1588.
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33* on Tue Nov 6 20:49:54 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] What's Left Of Sanita Hills, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Nov 6 20:30:51 2018.* The cars were rebuilt into two different configurations as I understand it. Some where re-built as barracks for the scouts and other were set up as cottages for families to use. Larry, RedbirdR33
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Wed Nov 7 06:44:31 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] What's Left Of Sanita Hills, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Nov 6 20:30:51 2018.* Thanks so much ! Bill Newkirk
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[elkeeper] What's Left Of Sanita Hills
Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Thu Nov 8 07:59:57 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] What's Left Of Sanita Hills, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Nov 6 20:30:51 2018.* I was comparing your list of Sanita cars with mine which was compiled by the E.R.A. dated December 31, 1955 and found the following car number missing from your list: 139 - 175 - 1323 - 1325 & 1404 Is your list the same or compiled elsewhere ? Bill Newkirk
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Posted by Elkeeper* on Thu Nov 8 11:11:23 2018, in response to [elkeeper] What's Left Of Sanita Hills, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Nov 8 07:59:57 2018.* You are right, Bill about 139, 175, and 1404. Your 1323 should read 1322, instead. So, there were 90 cars, all totaled, that went to Camp Sanitas.
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Thu Nov 8 12:47:36 2018, in response to Re: [elkeeper] What's Left Of Sanita Hills, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Nov 8 11:11:23 2018.* You are right, Bill about 139, 175, and 1404. Your 1323 should read 1322, instead. So, there were 90 cars, all totaled, that went to Camp Sanitas. Thanks, my error on #1322. 90 cars ? That's a fleet compared to other cities. lol Bill Newkirk
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Posted by Elkeeper* on Thu Nov 8 19:59:37 2018, in response to Re: [elkeeper] What's Left Of Sanita Hills, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Nov 8 12:47:36 2018.* I wonder how many of those cars were actually converted into living areas or other uses? That must have been some camping area, back in those days!
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