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"New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but..." |
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Posted by Think twice on Wed Nov 7 20:45:22 2018 Business Insider: "New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but the reality is more complicated" |
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Posted by Dan on Thu Nov 8 12:37:28 2018, in response to "New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...", posted by Think twice on Wed Nov 7 20:45:22 2018. Amazon may kick in some $$$ to improve transit but are smart enough not to commit to some open-ended deal with the MTA. |
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Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Thu Nov 8 12:38:17 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by Dan on Thu Nov 8 12:37:28 2018. IAWTP....especially given the MTA's penchant for misspending money. |
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Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'' |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Nov 8 12:45:07 2018, in response to "New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...", posted by Think twice on Wed Nov 7 20:45:22 2018. Where, exactly, would they want to locate this Amazon complex in LIC? |
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Posted by LA Scott on Thu Nov 8 12:57:41 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by Elkeeper on Thu Nov 8 12:45:07 2018. In Seattle, Amazon has a mix of space spread out over a large number of blocks, much of it non-contiguous.My bet would be the same situation in LIC, and not a monolithic complex. |
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Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'' |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Nov 8 14:57:45 2018, in response to "New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...", posted by Think twice on Wed Nov 7 20:45:22 2018. There are nine subway tracks that lead to LIC. At most two (southbound E/F and possibly the westbound 7) are close to full capacity. 25K employees is probably only 12K in the peak hour (assuming minimal working from home). A train can carry 1500 people (a bit less for the M and the 7). That's not a huge deal. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Nov 8 15:06:26 2018, in response to "New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...", posted by Think twice on Wed Nov 7 20:45:22 2018. The ASSumption is the complete operation will be a 9-5 one with weekends and holidays closed.Nothing can be farther from the truth. Amazon is a 24/7 business so those employees will have staggered hours and days off. And how do we know what percentage will be taking their cars...…...how many will be taking the subway (if it's within walking distance)…….bus? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Nov 8 15:06:43 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by AlM on Thu Nov 8 14:57:45 2018. Remember, most new commuters will be reverse commuting TO Queens. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Nov 8 15:07:40 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by AlM on Thu Nov 8 14:57:45 2018. Remember, most new commuters will be reverse commuting TO Queens.As well, hipster Brooklynites will use the G. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Nov 8 15:08:35 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Nov 8 15:06:26 2018. And most will be reverse computing - and many coming from Brooklyn. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Nov 8 15:13:46 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by italianstallion on Thu Nov 8 15:07:40 2018. RememberI did. 5 of the 9 tracks I am referring to come from Manhattan and Brooklyn (7, E/M, N/R/W, F, and G). And of the remaining two, the N/W, M/R, and probably the 7 can add extra trains if it ever came to that. |
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Posted by LA Scott on Thu Nov 8 16:01:10 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Nov 8 15:06:26 2018. The sort of jobs people have in Amazon's HQs will mostly be US business hours - not exactly 9-5, but spread out from 9am - 8pm Eastern time Monday-Friday.This is not a distribution center, support center, or data center. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Nov 8 16:23:01 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by LA Scott on Thu Nov 8 16:01:10 2018. And some people getting there by 7:30 AM or 8. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Nov 8 17:10:13 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by AlM on Thu Nov 8 16:23:01 2018. And some people getting there by 7:30 AM or 8.I've had occasion to use the 7 Line around that hour within the last two weeks. It's packed, possibly worse than the traditional 8-9am rush hour. The crush started at Junction Blv and was augmented at Woodside. There wasn't any relief at Queensborough Plaza. Many did get off at Courthouse Square. It means this ridership pattern isn't picked up by the annual Hub Bound Report. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Nov 8 17:17:38 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by AlM on Thu Nov 8 14:57:45 2018. 25K employeesAccording to the 2016 Hub Bound Report, 90K riders use all 4 Queens to Manhattan crossings between 8-9am. Whether it's 25K or 12K, the number of new riders represents a major increase. N.B. the peak hourly volume of inbound passengers on the 14th St Tunnel is 23K. Look at all the gymnastics the MTA and NYCDOT are doing to provide alternate access for them. The absolute number of new Amazon users would be comparable. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Nov 8 18:39:11 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Nov 8 17:17:38 2018. 90K riders use all 4 Queens to Manhattan crossings between 8-9am. Whether it's 25K or 12K, the number of new riders represents a major increase.Sure. But still, only 2 of the 9 tracks are at or near capacity. Trains on all 4 tracks from from Manhattan have plenty of room in the AM. More Gs could be added (as they are being added for the L shutdown). More southbound N/W, and M/R trains can be added. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Nov 8 19:43:06 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by AlM on Thu Nov 8 14:57:45 2018. Having a large workplace destination in LIC will in essence reserve space for all the new residents in all the super tall apartment towers bound for Manhattan. A Manhattan bound AM "no one else can possibly fit on this E" train will enter Queens Plaza full and leave slightly less full...And the reverse is also true. The LIC residents will vacate their overcrowded trains, to be replaced with Amazon workers going home. That planned Sunnyside LIRR station though suddenly looks attractive... and HPA/LIC might gain ridership. |
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Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'' |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Nov 8 19:47:15 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Nov 8 19:43:06 2018. Having a large workplace destination in LIC will in essence reserve space for all the new residents in all the super tall apartment towers bound for Manhattan. A Manhattan bound AM "no one else can possibly fit on this E" train will enter Queens Plaza full and leave slightly less full...This phenomenon is already true to the degree that LIC is already a work destination. And it will be thoroughly tested when the L shuts down and the G brings lots of people to Court Square. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Nov 8 19:48:15 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by LA Scott on Thu Nov 8 12:57:41 2018. Sorry, I thought that that might have had a specific location area in LIC! |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Nov 8 20:03:00 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by AlM on Thu Nov 8 18:39:11 2018. Perhaps the MTA's operation during the L Train shutdown will convince Amazon their evaluation of NYC's transit was in error.You may remember I went through the mental exercise of determining the routing changes required to permit the BMT-IND tunnels to operate at capacity. It's more likely the MTA would conclude that all tunnels are operating at capacity and only several billion dollars would be required to provide more trains through those tunnels. As for the Steinway Tunnel, its capacity has been reduced by CBTC. Even if the new signal system were able to perform as well as the one it has replaced, there's the question of getting more rolling stock to provide the additional service. They just can't take trains away from other parts of the system. The trains must be compatible with a CBTC system that's now obsolete. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Nov 8 20:45:22 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by AlM on Thu Nov 8 19:47:15 2018. LIC is already a work destination.It's a bigger residence destination. LIC Land prices are too expensive for office towers. Residences provide a bigger payback per square foot of land. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Nov 8 21:06:56 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by LA Scott on Thu Nov 8 16:01:10 2018. If it's anything like Google's NYC offices there will indeed be staff coming and going at all hours. Their main cafeteria is open 24x5 to support this.Amazon's "cloud computing" related areas for example require 24x7 monitoring and support. While the data center itself isn't locating here, people who monitor and manage it might well be. Considering that minutes of server outage can translate to millions in lost revenue (whether it be for Amazon or the customers they host), there will be white collar shift workers. Not to mention developers who hold non-standard hours whenever possible. Finally, consider that Amazon is a global company and will hold meetings with other countries, likely during their business hours (when trying to woo a new customer you're not doing it at 2AM their time). |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Nov 8 23:53:24 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Nov 8 21:06:56 2018. when trying to woo a new customer you're not doing it at 2AM their timeOne woos customers with local sales staff. In general, you have a point, but Amazon staff is far more conventional than Google's. Also, I would guess data center staff are usually on site, not at HQ. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Nov 9 00:28:07 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by AlM on Thu Nov 8 23:53:24 2018. A properly designed datacenter doesn't need onsite staff (they're called 'lights out' datacenters). The only people who might need to go in are a network admin and hardware admin to do physical work (running cables, replacing failed hard disks, etc) and that really can be done during business hours or even on an adhoc schedule. It is impossible for a "critical piece of hardware" to fail because of all the redundancy and virtualization in place. You have ~10% more hardware than you need, a server fails, workloads automatically redistribute, and you get to it whenever it's convenient. Networks have 4 redundant paths so even networking equipment can fail and at most it's a "meh, we'll swap it out next Wednesday".I've managed servers full time for the past 7 years and the only times I've even needed to be in the same building as them is for some one-off ancient legacy crap and swapping tape drives, both things a behemoth like Amazon doesn't have to worry about. Hell my last 2 trips into the data center (which spans 4 years) were both on tours. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Fri Nov 9 01:25:35 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Nov 8 17:10:13 2018. I have a basic question, how many trains are designated to operate during rush hour (tradional 8 to 9 am), if there is such a volume of ridership an hour to two hours earlier have the number of trains/ train trips been increased?What would be the absolute maximum capacity of the number of trains that could operate on the 7 during these earlier hours and up to 9 am, and what would the headway be? Would increasing the number of trains be possible, given the extension,to 34th St., the crossovers north and south of the station, and the stub tracks beyond? Thanks. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Nov 9 06:43:03 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Nov 9 00:28:07 2018. OK, fine.But would Amazon put data center managers into such expensive real estate as LIC? Are you in the Albany Mall or are you off somewhere where the cost of a desk is cheaper? |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Nov 9 07:47:15 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by Express Rider on Fri Nov 9 01:25:35 2018. how many trains are designated to operate during rush hour (tradional 8 to 9 am),Where is this count to be conducted? There's a wealth of hourly information, if the count is at the East River Tunnels. Look up NYMTC's Hub Bound Travel Reports to get get all the information you need regarding hourly service levels. What would be the absolute maximum capacity of the number of trains that could operate on the 7 during these earlier hours The basic problem is insufficient rolling stock. A round trip takes about 1:20 with recovery time. This means a trainset that operates between 7 and 8 am cannot operate between 8 and 9 am. As I pointed out in a previous post in this thread, CBTC prevents taking rolling stock from other lines to quickly add more service. What would be the absolute maximum capacity of the number of trains that could operate on the 7 during these earlier hours and up to 9 am, and what would the headway be? Would increasing the number of trains be possible, given the extension,to 34th St., the crossovers north and south of the station, and the stub tracks beyond? I have not timed the crossover at 34th St like I did the one at Times Square. Times Square could (and once did) handle 36 tph. The 34th St crossover appears to be designed properly. The current bottleneck on the Flushing Line is at the Willets Point stop. This is due to some extraordinary track routing devised by the TA's schedulers combined with deficient tower operation that's been replicated by the CBTC implementation. I'm in the process of documenting this Mickey Mouse/Three Stooges operation. You may expect a full report in the not too distant future. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Fri Nov 9 08:26:56 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by AlM on Thu Nov 8 19:47:15 2018. The time is getting ripe for re-examining resurrecting the 11 car "E and "F" trains, turning the 11 car "F" trains at SECOND Ave.Or, dare I say, a new 10 car, 5+5 set of a new version of the R-110B 67 Ft. cars for the Queens Blvd Line. For as long as it takes for an order to be proposed to delivery, the necessary platform clearance of space should be finished. |
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Posted by LA Scott on Fri Nov 9 08:57:29 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Nov 8 21:06:56 2018. There will certainly be some staff 24/7 for all the reasons you mention, but based on my experience in technology for global 100 companies, 90%+ of the staff will work traditional US business hours, with the more hands on tech people probably skewing a bit later.In a modern technology operation, the ratio of people who need to be actively engaged in operations compared to the people who develop, manage, sell, and implement is very small. When I started in IT 25+ years ago, I would guess that 70% of the staff either did shift work or carried pagers and had on-call rotations. Now, I guess the equivalent number is closer to 10%. BTW, Amazon operations are highly automated and fault tolerant, and the loss of a single sever, or even multiple racks of servers, has close zero impact on them. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Fri Nov 9 11:06:00 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Nov 9 07:47:15 2018. Thank you for your reply.I will look up the site you wrote about. My questions are "basic" (for example, I am not clear about how to read your AWOL late start posts) since I am not in the transit industry, nor do I have a technical or statistical background, so I appreciate your detailed answer! |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Nov 9 14:43:48 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by AlM on Thu Nov 8 14:57:45 2018. They could have the LIRR run some trains from Little Neck to LIC on the TA's budget |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Nov 9 14:45:24 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Nov 8 20:03:00 2018. I always though they should have spent Flushing Line CBTC money on re-engineering for 12 car trains instead. That would have gotten you 9% more capacity without even adding frequencies or crews. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Nov 9 14:51:56 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by Joe V on Fri Nov 9 14:43:48 2018. Sure. LIRR's capacity is a tiny fraction of the subway's. Also, the LIC station is in one corner of LIC, not at all central.But if employment in LIC grows, eventually it will make sense for LIRR to send some trains there for the people coming to work from far eastern Queens and LI. Though HPA is more central to LIC as a whole. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Nov 9 14:58:44 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by AlM on Fri Nov 9 14:51:56 2018. It would stop at Hunterspoint Ave also on the way to LIC, which has limited 3rd rail coverage. I am sure employer van or bus shuttles can scoot people around the various stations, as they do in Newark (Rutgers, Prudential). |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Nov 9 15:16:45 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by AlM on Thu Nov 8 14:57:45 2018. Plus Amazon will employ people of all ages, but they will skew young. They aren’t looking to move to suburbia and points east, although east Asians may opt for Flushing. They will be heading to manhattan and Brooklyn and places where they are reverse commuting. Or to LIC itself. Many will live close to work like they do in Seattle. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Nov 9 16:06:49 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by italianstallion on Thu Nov 8 15:06:43 2018. Exactly. Or buying a condo in LIC or Brooklyn and walking or taking G train. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 9 16:16:49 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by LuchAAA on Fri Nov 9 16:06:49 2018. Or cycling. That's both annoyingly and pleasantly common. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Nov 9 16:24:10 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 9 16:16:49 2018. At least there are less roller bladers it seems. I hate them. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 9 16:27:34 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by LuchAAA on Fri Nov 9 16:24:10 2018. I find skateboarders annoying. Bikes can stay in a straight line, but wannabe Bart Simpsons can't. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Nov 9 16:29:30 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 9 16:27:34 2018. In order of annoyance:Electric scooters Bicycles Skateboards Probably because that’s also in order of speed/momentum. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Nov 9 16:40:11 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by Joe V on Fri Nov 9 14:45:24 2018. I totally agree with that. Instead of ordering specialized R-33 singles, as long as money was being spent to extend the Flushing Line platforms anyhow, they should have been extended for 12 car trains. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Nov 9 16:46:42 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by randyo on Fri Nov 9 16:40:11 2018. Grande Central looks like it can just about handle 12 cars as it is. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Nov 9 16:48:48 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by AlM on Fri Nov 9 06:43:03 2018. In my case, like most businesses, IT is a cost center. If it weren't government you'd be right, and they'd put us in the cheapest space possible. Since it is government, there is no such thing as "cost of a desk". There's "space we have" and they tetris'd staff in into some pretty odd places, from suburban office parks to the State Capitol building.Amazon's IT side is revenue generating, they absolutely would put them into their HQ. A former co-worker took a job at HQ1 in Seattle doing the same kinds of data center work I do. Data center staff are included in the types of employees they're trying to attract (as well as distribute across the country in case of disaster). |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Nov 9 16:55:13 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by LA Scott on Fri Nov 9 08:57:29 2018. BTW, Amazon operations are highly automated and fault tolerant, and the loss of a single sever, or even multiple racks of servers, has close zero impact on them.Yup that was what I was trying to get at, the physical data center need not be staffed. I do not agree that 90% of the staff will work traditional US business hours. Google certainly doesn't, and they're arguably the best company to work for. Amazon has a reputation of being slave drivers, so while people will be there during regular US office hours, they will also expand quite beyond that, softening the rush hour blow. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Nov 9 17:02:06 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by Avid Reader on Fri Nov 9 08:26:56 2018. They did re-examine it when the R160's first came out. There were two/6 car sets of R160's lashed up which were coupled to a 5 car sets.The test on the original IND from 179 to Church Ave. were a failures due to various "shacks" built at the ends of stations for various reasons. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Nov 9 17:02:40 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by Avid Reader on Fri Nov 9 08:26:56 2018. I don't think Archer Ave was built for 11 cars, sadly. Plus the F skirts around LIC.Swap the E/F in Queens and run 11 car Es. This would sort that out. The M being 8 cars will be an issue. They should be expanding the Broadway/Myrtle El platforms and lofting that tower over the platform at Metropolitan so they can run 9 car Ms. The 7 is f'd, unless they can whip 40TPH out of a hat. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Nov 9 17:45:32 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by Easy on Fri Nov 9 15:16:45 2018. The young professional demographic just wants decent public transit + decent nightlife. Since NYC already has the latter they might well move to Nassau County if LIRR has decent HPA/LIC/(Sunnyside?) service. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Nov 9 18:18:34 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by randyo on Fri Nov 9 16:40:11 2018. Instead of ordering specialized R-33 singles, as long as money was being spent to extend the Flushing Line platforms anyhow,The Flushing Line platforms were extended from their original 454 ft to their present length in the early 1950's. This was way before the R-33's and R-36's were ever considered. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Nov 9 18:20:26 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Nov 9 17:45:32 2018. I’m no expert but from what I’ve read Amazon workers skew young even for tech and opt for urban over suburban. |
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Posted by FtgreeneG on Fri Nov 9 18:25:17 2018, in response to Re: ''New Yorkers are freaking out that Amazon's HQ2 could cripple the subway system, but...'', posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Nov 9 17:02:40 2018. Think the G and N/W will also see a decent pax increase. I predict many young Amazon workers will be moving to Greenpoint, Williamsburg and Astoria. |
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