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Re: Ex-Mets as Yankees |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Sep 17 19:38:58 2018, in response to Re: Ex-Mets as Yankees, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Sep 17 18:45:50 2018. Can we take all of this baseball stuff over to OT Chat? |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Sep 17 19:59:04 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Sep 13 08:49:33 2018. Just south of the bumping blocks at the WTC IND station are a set of stairs said to be the only surviving part of the original WTC. They aren't going to be torn up. |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Sep 18 00:40:43 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Sep 17 18:49:52 2018. The connection you're describing is so complicated, the cost would have been incredible (not to mention the connection would have had a hard time making the tunnel entrance, including the demolition of the Jerome Ave station). It would have been so much easier just to put the stadium on a different site. |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Sep 18 00:43:18 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Sep 17 19:59:04 2018. More than just the set of stairs, the entrance doors and the short passageway. |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Sep 18 08:03:34 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Sep 17 18:35:10 2018. He was a stockbroker who, in the opinion of Whitey Herzog, didn't know a hill o'beans about baseball (Herzog said so to his face). After original Met owner Joan Whitney Payson died, ownership transferred to her daughter, Lorinda deRoulet, who really wasn't interested in running the team. She gave Grant carte blanche to run the organization as he pleased. He was more concerned about holding down ticket prices than fielding a competitive team. After a 64-98 campaign in 1977, Grant was asked when the Mets would become contenders. Just to show how clueless he was, Grant responded, "We're contenders right now." Well, everyone's entitled to have their own opinion. |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Sep 18 08:05:54 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Sep 17 19:15:06 2018. Interestingly, one of the players involved in the Nolan Ryan-Jim Fregosi trade, pitcher Don Rose, gained a spot in baseball history with the Angels in 1972 by hitting a home run on the first pitch thrown to him in a major league game. |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Q4 on Tue Sep 18 09:30:55 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Sep 17 19:15:06 2018. After that year, they also lowered the mound to give the hitters a better chance to actually hit. |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Sep 18 11:30:04 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Q4 on Tue Sep 18 09:30:55 2018. Yes that's true |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Sep 18 11:41:01 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Q4 on Tue Sep 11 13:42:58 2018. IIRC, The Metro North Yankee Stadium took so long to build because the MTA wanted Steinbrenner to pay for it to be built. Steinbrenner balked. His argument was that the Mets didn't have to pay for a Modernized Willets Pt IRT Sta or LIRR Sta, why should I? While I had on great love for Steinbrenner, but in this case I think he had a fair point.I don't know who eventually picked up the tab for the new station, but I doubt if Steinbernner kicked in. |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Q4 on Tue Sep 18 11:50:02 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Sep 18 11:41:01 2018. You are correct in that. I was pretty sure the Yankees didn't kick in any money and that the MTA and City paid for it. I found this NY Times Article (sorry still can't get the hang of linking articles on this site).https://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/metro-north-station-opens-at-yankee-stadium/ |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Michael549 on Tue Sep 18 12:05:21 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Sep 17 18:49:52 2018. Typical Wallyhorse! Typical Wallyhorse!When you have lost the argument - charge the terms of the argument! Wallyhorse you are good for pie in the sky transit schemes that will not ever happen. Now in this case literal pie in the sky. In your last response you are proposing that the TA construct a brand new set of tracks and platforms ABOVE the current 161st Steet-Yankee Stadium #4 elevated station for your mythical connection to the #3 line. This was not an idea that you mentioned in previous messages - you just came up with it, when, among other reasons your proposals (aka fantasies) could not be accomplished. I really doubt that anyone here can name a time when the MTA built a brand new set of tracks and platforms to purely serve as a transfer station ABOVE an existing operating elevated line. This does not include modification of an existing elevated station (L-train - Atlantic Avenue with LIRR transfer); or connecting what where separate stations into one complex - Court Square in Queens or Yankee Stadium in the Bronx; or building new stations as part of an overall scheme to improve service 57th Street/Sixth Avenue or Grand Street. And, and in this case, a "two track line/station over a three line/station with side platforms. Oh, this is rich! Now one could look at the Gun Hill Road Station on the #2 & #5 in the Bronx for guidance but the MTA tore down the Third Avenue EL in the Bronx! Note that station / complex was built well before the MTA came into existence. The MTA is and or was on a course of REMOVING IRT trackage in the Bronx, not adding IRT elevated trackage! Remember when there was a fire at Intervale Avenue, an elevated station on the #2 and #5 lines - and the MTA proposed closing the entire station instead of simply repairing the station? It took community activism to get the station repaired and opened at a cost much less than the MTA's estimates! Need I even mention how the MTA wanted to completely close the Franklin Avenue shuttle in Brooklyn? And the community activism it took to get the line rebuilt! You might be drawing inspiration from the West 8th Street elevated station near Coney Island, but that is two tracks and platforms above two tracks and platforms - also built well before the MTA came into existence. Your proposal ideas in this case are not gonna happen! Nothing similar to what you've proposed has ever occurred in the modern era of subway transit in NYC. Given this set of over-all proposal ideas which were not going to happen, there is only one question. Where you do buy your Kool-Aid? You get points for thinking "outside of the box" and having an active imagination. It can be "fun" to walk along the path of "what if." By definition the path of "what if" includes some things that are just not going to happen - ever. And you still have not given a really good reason WHY the #3 and #4 lines should be connected in the Bronx! Why would a third connection to the westside of Manhattan be needed? Mike |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Sep 18 12:48:13 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Michael549 on Tue Sep 18 12:05:21 2018. If they really wanted a Jerome Ave connection for the #3 train, why not build it between 149th St, underneath Walton or Gerard Aves, to 161st St? That way, it could run directly from 161st St to 135St/Lenox. |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Q4 on Tue Sep 18 12:53:07 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Elkeeper on Tue Sep 18 12:48:13 2018. Where would the portal for the connection to the Woodlawn line be? |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Michael549 on Tue Sep 18 14:35:34 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Elkeeper on Tue Sep 18 12:48:13 2018. From a previous message:"If they really wanted a Jerome Ave connection for the #3 train, why not build it between 149th St, underneath Walton or Gerard Aves, to 161st St? That way, it could run directly from 161st St to 135St/Lenox." My response: They did not really want to build a Jerome Ave connection for the #3 train! See, I can be short and to the point. (Ha, Ha, LOL) Mike |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Sep 18 15:04:06 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Elkeeper on Mon Sep 17 19:35:43 2018. If it were to be connected to the Court St spur, possibly not. At the time the IND was being built, a number of buildings were torn down either to widen streets like Church and Houston Streets or in the case of 6 Av in Manhattan, to through route or build streets where none previously existed. The city could very well have torn down sone buildings and through routed Schermerhorn St to the water. Since that part of the construction, if done, would have been during the height of the depression, it would have been easy for the city to exercise eminent domain as it did in Manhattan and through route the street in conjunction with subway construction. That would have probably been the case with extending the subway under S 4 St which ends at Union Ave and very likely with Pitkin Av at the Bkln-Qns border in preparation for the extension of the Pitkin Av subway through (dare I say it?) 76 St. |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Sep 18 15:30:26 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Sep 18 11:41:01 2018. Wasn’t the Willets Pt station modernized for the 1964 World’s Fair and not specifically for the Mets? The MTA could argue and probably successfully that since there are other attractions in the area of Willets Pt the renovations were not done simply for the benefit of the Mets. |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Sep 18 16:33:16 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by randyo on Tue Sep 18 15:04:06 2018. I was assuming that, if the IND tracks connected to the BMT ones, then IND trains would have also used the Montague tunnel. Clinton St, Brooklyn appeared to be the logical connector street, between Montague and Schermerhorn St, which ends at Clinton. |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Sep 18 16:45:05 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Michael549 on Tue Sep 18 14:35:34 2018. I agree! They did NOT wish to connect 7th Ave-Lenox to Jerome by any route. Now, if we could only convince Wally...! |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Sep 18 16:46:33 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Q4 on Tue Sep 18 12:53:07 2018. Same place as it is now. |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Sep 18 18:53:21 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Sep 18 11:30:04 2018. That was before the 1969 season. And the strike zone was reduced from the player's shoulders to the armpits. |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Sep 18 18:55:12 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by randyo on Tue Sep 18 15:30:26 2018. IINM the ramp that leads to the north side of Roosevelt Ave. was probably put in when Toilet Bowl I aka Shea Stadium, opened. |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Sep 18 19:13:22 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by randyo on Tue Sep 18 15:30:26 2018. Like the auto junkyards! LOL |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Sep 18 20:02:44 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Elkeeper on Tue Sep 18 16:33:16 2018. As I have mentioned before in several posts, The bellmouths S/O Whitehall were to have been used to connect to a new tunnel under upper NY Bay and connected to Court St. That would have left only Nassau St service operating through Montague. |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Sep 18 20:05:20 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by randyo on Tue Sep 18 15:30:26 2018. True, but George being George, he still would have bitched that the city (taxpayer) paid for transit improvements out in Willets Pt. So why can't the city pay for my new station?? He always played the "well I better get what I want or else I'll move" cardThank Mr O'Malley for that mindset. I'm sure George was thinking " if they can pull the Dodgers out of Brooklyn, I can take the Yanks out of the Bronx" if I don't get what I want. Thankfully George smartened up & stayed in the Bronx. |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Sep 18 20:05:47 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Sep 18 18:55:12 2018. But that would also be coincident with the opening of the World’s fair. |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Sep 18 20:11:09 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Elkeeper on Tue Sep 18 16:45:05 2018. As I have mentioned before, I was told that there WAS a plan to connect Lenox with Jerome shortly after unification even though nothing came of it. |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Sep 18 20:12:02 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Elkeeper on Tue Sep 18 16:46:33 2018. He’s talking about a new connection from Lenox, not the one that exists now. |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Sep 19 00:45:08 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Sep 18 20:05:20 2018. And yet, the NY Racing Assn paid for the Racetrack platform at Aqueduct. There are some questions that come to mind. First is that it may not have actually been the taxpayer who paid for the station improvements at Willets since even the pre MTA NYCTA was not a mayoral agency. Also it can be argued that the improvements were specifically for the World;s fair and not for the Mets. Would King George have been so insistent if the Hudson Line were still under private ownership rather than a quasi government agency. Another issue would be where would the Yankees move to and even if they were to move would the Yankees’ new city have the funds to provide the team with a ballpark to meet George’s approval? |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Express Rider on Wed Sep 19 03:23:12 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Bob Andersen on Fri Sep 7 16:00:15 2018. I was on the first one. |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Express Rider on Wed Sep 19 03:37:21 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by randyo on Tue Sep 18 15:30:26 2018. Wasn't the original platform enlargement and ramp done for the 1939 fair? IIRC this was discussed in Kramer's book Subway to the World's Fair - also included was at least one photo of a platform being reconstructed (eastbound I think?). |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Q4 on Wed Sep 19 07:54:27 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Sep 18 18:53:21 2018. Yes due to the pitching performances and lack of hitting performances of the previous 1968 season. |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Q4 on Wed Sep 19 08:03:51 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Sep 18 20:05:20 2018. Actually what really he wanted was a new stadium over the LIRR West Side Yards either domed or with a retractable roof.Of course later that would become the proposed home of the Jets (domed stadium) which, to make it more palatable, would also be used in conjunction with the Javits. The plan also was to make a passenger platform with two tracks in the West Side Yards to shuttle people back and forth to Penn during games/events. Of course it is now the Hudson Yards development. |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Q4 on Wed Sep 19 08:07:24 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by randyo on Tue Sep 18 20:12:02 2018. Yes thank you as I didn't make myself clear. |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Sep 19 08:17:45 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Tue Sep 4 16:29:47 2018. I was on the second one. I didn't stay for the walk across the Macombs Dam Bridge, though. |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Sep 19 10:56:40 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Sep 18 08:03:34 2018. And if I were Bowie Kuhn (then-MLB Commissioner), I would have forced the Mets to fire Grant using the "Best interests of Baseball" clause with MLB choosing his replacement also using that clause. |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Sep 19 10:59:09 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Q4 on Wed Sep 19 07:54:27 2018. And if I'm Commissioner, I go back to the pre-Division Era (which started in 1969) pitchers mound height and strike zone in an effort to speed up games by making it so pitchers are throwing complete games on 90-100 pitches. |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Sep 19 11:01:28 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by randyo on Tue Sep 18 20:05:47 2018. Right, because the World's Fair opened around the same time as Shea. |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Sep 19 11:02:36 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Sep 19 10:56:40 2018. That's outrageous. |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Sep 19 11:03:43 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Sep 19 10:59:09 2018. Try getting that one past the union. |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Sep 19 11:05:54 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by randyo on Wed Sep 19 00:45:08 2018. Yes, but that also was when Horse Racing with Baseball and Boxing made up the "Big Three" pro sports (Football was certainly nowhere near what it is today and Basketball and Hockey weren't even close either to what they are now). That was back when Aqueduct was getting 30,000+ patrons even on weekdays, especially when Belmont was closed for rebuilding from 1963-'67 when Aqueuct ran the entire season save for the 24-day Saratoga meet (back then, the racing season was mid-March to early December, Belmont's original grandstand was unexpectedly condemned in early 1963, forcing the closure for five years). |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Sep 19 11:56:34 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Sep 19 11:02:36 2018. That's almost what happened with the Giants after the "Miracle at The Meadowlands" in 1978. George Young became GM early the following year.I'm sure Kuhn wanted to do that but some owners (especially George) would likely have not allowed him to. |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Sep 19 11:57:59 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Sep 19 11:03:43 2018. The Union might actually realize it's in their best interests as starting pitchers would likely get more money than they already are. |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Sep 19 11:59:30 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Sep 19 11:57:59 2018. I would think as long as there were a salary floor that teams must reach, then I think they would agree to such. I'm sure even they realize how long games take sometimes. |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Sep 19 12:22:46 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Sep 19 11:57:59 2018. Nah. The middle relievers would become much less valuable |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Sep 19 19:27:09 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Express Rider on Wed Sep 19 03:37:21 2018. You are correct. Prior to that, it was a local station. |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Sep 19 20:15:45 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Sep 19 11:01:28 2018. Exactly! |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Sep 19 20:17:31 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Q4 on Wed Sep 19 07:54:27 2018. Bob Gibson had an ERA of 1.12 in '68. Denny McLain won 31 games and Yaz was the only .300 hitter in the American League, just squeaking by at .301. |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Q4 on Thu Sep 20 09:39:00 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Sep 19 11:56:34 2018. Owners had not control of it back then. Kuhn used the the "Best Interest of Baseball" to void the A's sales of Vida Blue to the Yankees and Joe Rudi and Rollie Fingers to the Red Sox. He used it a few other times also. |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Sep 20 18:33:30 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Sep 19 10:56:40 2018. IIRC Grant stepped down after the 1978 season, anyway. Then after a woeful 1979 season that saw the team go 63-99 and attendance drop to an all-time low of 788,905 for the season, the team was sold to Nelson Doubleday. |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Sep 20 18:46:22 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Sep 19 10:56:40 2018. You can't compare M Donald Grant to Finley's attempt to sell players off to contending teams. |
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