|
|
| Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? (1483066) | |
 |
|
| Home > SubChat | |
[ Post a New Response | Return to the Index ]
|
Page 2 of 3 |
||
|
| (1483267) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Aug 8 14:00:32 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 8 13:59:33 2018. A home for the future Transit Museum, of course! |
|
|
| (1483271) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 8 14:21:30 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Aug 8 14:00:32 2018. FALSE!It was built to serve as the filming location for the original and best version of The Taking of Pelham One-Two-Three. |
|
|
| (1483278) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by randyo on Wed Aug 8 15:10:14 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by jabrams on Tue Aug 7 21:25:26 2018. Yet in spite of its faults, the IND was still designed better than the privates. An old time IRT T/D once described the differences in the divisions as being the IRT and BMT were designed for smooth operations whereas the iND was designed for trouble. |
|
|
(Sponsored) |
iPhone 6 (4.7 Inch) Premium PU Leather Wallet Case - Red w/ Floral Interior - by Notch-It |
|
| (1483280) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by randyo on Wed Aug 8 15:16:17 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Aug 8 07:36:19 2018. While it has been mentioned that the IND did not intend for locals to travel between the boroughs, it did provide for local services between the Bronx and Manhattan while denying the same conveniences to residents of Brooklyn and Queens. Even at that, the IND was inconsistent since the provision for the Worth St subway which would have gone to Bkln was off the local tracks and the local tks of the 6 Av Line connect to Queens at the north end and Bkln at the south end. |
|
|
| (1483296) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by randyo on Wed Aug 8 16:42:11 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Aug 8 13:54:39 2018. It was built for two reasons. As I have mentioned in several posts, one of the proposals was to connect it via a new underwater tube to the BMT bellmouths S/O Whitehall St and via the reclaimed portion of the Bway Subway under Church St connected to the stub tracks at Hudson Terminal (WTC). Later it was included as a provision to connect it to the SAS via a similar underwater tube. Even if the station remained as is and not used as the transit museum, with the increased importance of downtown Bkln as a CBD with a full IND Fulton St subway, it would have provided a good destination point for workers from eastern Bkln and Queens. |
|
|
| (1483302) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Wed Aug 8 17:57:20 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by italianstallion on Wed Aug 8 12:26:24 2018. All of what became Flushing Meadow Park was basically one big ash dump, from what I believe.. |
|
|
| (1483304) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by Avid Reader on Wed Aug 8 17:58:51 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Wed Aug 8 17:57:20 2018. Correct! |
|
|
| (1483305) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by Avid Reader on Wed Aug 8 18:05:47 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by Avid Reader on Wed Aug 8 17:58:51 2018. 
|
|
|
| (1483306) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Aug 8 18:06:30 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Wed Aug 8 17:57:20 2018. The area around where the LIE & Wyck Exp are today was an ash dump for the LIRR. Story goes that ash from all the coal fed furnaces along Atlantic Ave was dumped on a corner & swept up into gondolas & sent there. "Ash trains" that would patrol the Atlantic Ave ROW. from the late 1800s to the early 1900s AFAIK. |
|
|
| (1483359) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Aug 9 09:04:35 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 8 14:21:30 2018. At least the tracks don't end in the proverbial, "Cinder block wall". |
|
|
| (1483367) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by K. Trout on Thu Aug 9 11:54:00 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Aug 8 07:36:19 2018. The physical plant was expressly designed to prevent future administrations from creating all sorts of crazy one seat ride routes. Do you have a source for this? |
|
|
| (1483368) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by K. Trout on Thu Aug 9 12:02:26 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Tue Aug 7 19:47:53 2018. On a related note, the design of the Culver local tracks is bizarre. At the north end, the local tracks become the Crosstown line; the only chance to switch over is at 4 Av or Church Av. But, the mid-line local terminus is inexplicably Smith-9th, not an express station, not even a major local station (4 Av would make so much more sense!)...the middle of nowhere, relatively speaking.So what was the IND's expectation for how Culver trains would be operated? Local trains all the way to Church, transfer to/from express at 7 Av? Or, no express service north of 4 Av? Everyone has to run up and down stairs at Bergen? The only thing that makes even a little sense to me is that maybe the Smith-9th area was primarily industrial back then and so the idea was that the Crosstown was designed to bring workers from residential areas to Smith-9th, not unlike how the 6th and 8th Ave lines were designed to bring people to Midtown. But, that doesn't make any sense south of Smith-9th - surely there were plenty of people who might work in that area coming from points south, and by that logic, they have no local connection if the Crosstown terminates at Smith-9th. |
|
|
| (1483371) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Aug 9 12:32:25 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by K. Trout on Thu Aug 9 12:02:26 2018. If you have it, take a look at the, "Expanded Rapid Transit Facilities" map from July 5th, 1939. Among the never-built routes is the Ft Hamilton Pkwy route, which was to run from 86St/10Av, up 10th Ave and Ft Hamilton Pkwy, to Church Ave. Like many others, this Second System route was never realized. That is why you have 4 tracks from Jay St to Church Ave. |
|
|
| (1483372) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Aug 9 12:37:39 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Aug 9 12:32:25 2018. Correction- to Seventh Ave, not Church Ave. |
|
|
| (1483373) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by Mitch45 on Thu Aug 9 12:50:53 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 8 14:21:30 2018. "Screw the passengers! What the hell do they expect for their lousy 35 cents, to live forever?""Oh, you're beautiful, Frank." |
|
|
| (1483378) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 9 14:03:09 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Aug 9 09:04:35 2018. Nor do the tracks at the other end of the IND Fulton Line. |
|
|
| (1483380) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by FtGreeneG on Thu Aug 9 14:09:04 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by K. Trout on Thu Aug 9 12:02:26 2018. Always figured the Crosstowns terminal bring Smith-9th was more practical than anything else. Smith-9th is where that's where trains can be turned. Of course relays could be done at 4th Ave but that would mean wrong railing out which would further slow things for the F. And the switches are where they are simply bc that was the most practical place to put em. Lcl and exp tracks are on diff levels until south of Carroll. Carroll to Smith 9th involves steep grades not a good place for switches then south of Smith same grade issue and the tail tracks. 4th Ave is the first real opportunity to have a switches. |
|
|
| (1483381) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Aug 9 14:14:22 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 8 14:21:30 2018. BAZINGA!!! That's what I've always thought. Always. |
|
|
| (1483382) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Aug 9 14:26:28 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Aug 8 18:06:30 2018. I know the LIRR brought the ash and other refuse there... I just don't see any sign of it under the el in the picture. |
|
|
| (1483384) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 9 14:53:38 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by FtGreeneG on Thu Aug 9 14:09:04 2018. Yes. I always figured that Smith-9th was just a temporary terminal out of necessity. When the line was extended to Coney Island, that should have been the end of that, with GG trains extended permanently to Church, but they didn’t do that for decades. |
|
|
| (1483389) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by MATHA531 on Thu Aug 9 15:20:02 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 7 20:24:32 2018. You know, I always thought there should be a 1989 or 2014 fair to commemorate the past. I guess we'll have to wait for 2039! |
|
|
| (1483390) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 9 15:29:20 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by MATHA531 on Thu Aug 9 15:20:02 2018. There hasn’t been a World’s Fair in the US since 1984 and North America since 1986. The 1982 Fair in Knoxville and 1984 Fair in New Orleans were financial disasters. |
|
|
| (1483391) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 9 15:31:34 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 9 15:29:20 2018. Actually, wasn't even the 1964 one in New York also not really lucrative? |
|
|
| (1483397) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by randyo on Thu Aug 9 16:32:52 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 9 14:03:09 2018. +1 |
|
|
| (1483401) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Aug 9 16:41:56 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by MainR3664 on Thu Aug 9 14:26:28 2018. Correct. With the ash dump, I was speaking of the area in general not specifically the area under the EL |
|
|
| (1483402) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Aug 9 16:43:57 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 9 15:31:34 2018. Yep, The 1964-65 NY Worlds Fair was a big time money loser. |
|
|
| (1483406) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by FtGreeneG on Thu Aug 9 17:28:19 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 9 14:53:38 2018. I've always wondered why they did extend the G to Church much sooner |
|
|
| (1483407) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by FtGreeneG on Thu Aug 9 17:28:50 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by FtGreeneG on Thu Aug 9 17:28:19 2018. Correction 'didn't' |
|
|
| (1483408) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Thu Aug 9 18:05:43 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Aug 9 16:43:57 2018. EVERY World's Fair/Expo has been a money loser! |
|
|
| (1483414) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by Fine, Howard, and Fine on Thu Aug 9 18:46:16 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 9 15:31:34 2018. The real mystery is how come we don't have Worlds Fair Industrial Musicals anymore.The Wonderful World Of Chemistry by Dupont: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQCKqDJksuE Who was at the Dupont Pavillion? Why was the bench warm? Who had been there? |
|
|
| (1483416) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by Express Rider on Thu Aug 9 19:01:46 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Aug 9 12:32:25 2018. Don't have the map in front of me right now, but this route went kind of "due south" with a slight curve to the west (?). It went down the almost center of the West End Line (as the crow flies), and was supposed to replace it.If this had been built and the West End line razed, to me, it would have put a lot of people in those neighborhoods, along the West Ebd, southeast & northwest of where it crossed the Sea Beach, out of immediate reach of rapid transit - to get to the 2nd system's Ft. Hamilton line, wouldn't that have meant feeder buses through many of these neighborhoods? |
|
|
| (1483418) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Thu Aug 9 19:10:00 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by FtGreeneG on Thu Aug 9 17:28:50 2018. Because people wanted the D (pre Chrystie St changes) or the F train for a one-seat ride to Manhattan. |
|
|
| (1483419) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by randyo on Thu Aug 9 19:11:08 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Thu Aug 9 19:10:00 2018. They still could have gotten it even with the GG going through to Church. |
|
|
| (1483420) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Thu Aug 9 19:11:28 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Thu Aug 9 18:05:43 2018. What about Expo 67 in Montreal? |
|
|
| (1483422) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by Express Rider on Thu Aug 9 19:21:06 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by randyo on Wed Aug 8 15:16:17 2018. I always thought that was an unusual design, like you said, for those tracks from Worth St. to connect onto the local instead of the express track.This would have meant that a much used link between trunk lines, would connect at grade to the 8th ave. line. Do you suppose if the 2nd system had been built, this would have been changed, to a design with both Worth tracks rising between the express and local tracks from a lower level, and moving the local tracks outward* for the distance of the ramps, much like the connection to the 63rd St. tunnel west of Roosevelt Ave. *of course this could only have been done if at that location, the street and building lines, were further out on each side of the street. |
|
|
| (1483424) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by K. Trout on Thu Aug 9 20:07:26 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by randyo on Thu Aug 9 19:11:08 2018. But then why build the express tracks if only local service will be operated to both Manhattan and Crosstown? (Did the IND possibly overestimate the public's desire to change at Bergen, especially from one level to another?) |
|
|
| (1483425) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by K. Trout on Thu Aug 9 20:08:14 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by Express Rider on Thu Aug 9 19:21:06 2018. The connection is not at grade - the southbound track would still have been via a flyunder, since it would diverge from where the local track swings under the express tracks on the way to the terminal.For all we know, the intention could have been that all 8 Av locals would go to Worth St, with the terminal not seeing 24/7 use. |
|
|
| (1483438) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by FtGreeneG on Thu Aug 9 21:41:17 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Thu Aug 9 19:10:00 2018. Yeah that's what I figured. The IND wanted the crosstown to be the local and 6th Ave trains express but demand was for those local stations to have Manhattan direct access. But they still could have had two lines terminate at 71 St if they really wanted to. |
|
|
| (1483512) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by randyo on Fri Aug 10 13:56:50 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by K. Trout on Thu Aug 9 20:07:26 2018. I was not originally intended to operate only lcl service to Manhattan and Xtown, but the demographics of the area seem to have made express service unnecessary. Many lines were built with provisions for express service but the ridership at the local stations made express service unnecessary and non productive. |
|
|
| (1483549) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Aug 10 20:56:05 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by Express Rider on Thu Aug 9 19:01:46 2018. The map that I cited has no connection to the West End line at all. I read somewhere that it had been considered, but was never proposed. |
|
|
| (1483554) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Sat Aug 11 00:50:00 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by K. Trout on Thu Aug 9 12:02:26 2018. When poking around one of the map sites (probably the NYPL) a number of years ago, I came upon a set of insurance maps of Brooklyn and Manhattan from the late 20s (E. Belcher Hyde or Sanborn). They showed as dotted lines the routes of the under construction and planned Independent Subway, including both tunnels and stations, along with most if not all of the lots taken through condemnation already vacant. The condemned property around West Fourth Street is pretty interesting. Relevant to this discussion, the plates show the Prospect Park Line running from Jay Street to Church Avenue. Everything is as expected except that the Fourth Avenue station, in its present location, was called an express station while Seventh Avenue was called a local station. This could we have been an error by the map company but it could also have indicated the early intention of the Independent's planners. I found no mention of this in the Brooklyn Eagle or New York Times archives, though I got the impression from Times articles that the Independent went through a ton of proposals in the 20s (e.g: six track 8th Avenue line) with the various feuding public entities involved. |
|
|
| (1483630) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by randyo on Sat Aug 11 14:52:27 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Sat Aug 11 00:50:00 2018. A Fourth Av express station would have mede more sense. |
|
|
| (1483699) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Aug 12 16:21:06 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by randyo on Sat Aug 11 14:52:27 2018. Wasn't the original plan to tunnel under the Gowanus Canal, which would have put the Smith-Ninth Sts. and Fourth Ave. stations underground? Maybe when the plans changed to putting them above ground, the express station was moved to 7th Ave., simply because it would be too hard to build an express station on the viaduct? |
|
|
| (1483702) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by randyo on Sun Aug 12 16:38:44 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Aug 12 16:21:06 2018. Actually, an express station on a viaduct would be easier than underground. |
|
|
| (1483704) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Aug 12 17:50:15 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by randyo on Sat Aug 11 14:52:27 2018. I disagree. |
|
|
| (1483705) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by randyo on Sun Aug 12 18:20:54 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Aug 12 17:50:15 2018. Why? |
|
|
| (1483711) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Aug 12 20:30:18 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by randyo on Sun Aug 12 18:20:54 2018. 7th Avenue is a better location. |
|
|
| (1483724) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by Express Rider on Sun Aug 12 23:32:17 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by K. Trout on Thu Aug 9 20:08:14 2018. re: "at grade" I was remembering the NB track. I did forget about the SB track being a fly-under; as been discussed in other posts here, the bellmouth (or turnout?) for it is visible. |
|
|
| (1483726) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by Express Rider on Sun Aug 12 23:41:44 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Aug 10 20:56:05 2018. re: "went down the almost center of the West End Line (as the crow flies"My description was unclear - I didn't mean a connection. I meant the 2nd system route going south would have crossed the West End's route at some point. And as I understand it, this new route was supposed to servce the West End's neighborhood. My point being that neighborhoods to the west and east of the West End line would lose immediate access to a transit route, if it were razed & replaced by this 2nd system route. |
|
|
| (1483727) | |
Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved? |
|
|
Posted by Edwards! on Sun Aug 12 23:42:28 2018, in response to Re: What Subway ''Mysteries'' Are Still Unsolved?, posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Aug 12 16:21:06 2018. The grade is bad enough. |
|
|
|
Page 2 of 3 |
||
