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[PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 11 16:47:44 2018 
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Posted by chud1 on Wed Jul 11 18:07:19 2018, in response to [PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 11 16:47:44 2018. 5 drooling stars out of 5 drooling stars for this picture.:)..... |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jul 11 18:48:48 2018, in response to [PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 11 16:47:44 2018. Now all we need is a video clip of the conductor doing his stuff. |
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Posted by Bzuck on Wed Jul 11 21:25:40 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jul 11 18:48:48 2018. I remember watching the conductor do his job while riding on the Canarsie line. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 12 11:48:09 2018, in response to [PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 11 16:47:44 2018. What's the difference between "End Side Door" and "End Door" ? |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Jul 12 12:43:08 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard, posted by Bzuck on Wed Jul 11 21:25:40 2018. Ah , yes, The Canarsie Line.Mr. Green: What's your name, motorman? Denny Doyle: Uh, Denny Doyle. Mr. Green: Ever get written up? Denny Doyle: Uh, yes, sir. Once. Mr. Green: What for? Denny Doyle: Running a red signal. How about you? Mr. Green: Twice. Once on the Canarsie... Mr. Blue: That's right, Mr. Green. Tell Mr. Doyle all about yourself, will you? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 12 15:27:53 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard, posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 12 11:48:09 2018. End door as in the doors in between cars which were always locked while in service.Side door as in the door passengers board and exit. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jul 12 16:18:19 2018, in response to [PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 11 16:47:44 2018. What was the center button for? I never really watched closely when the Standards ran on the Canarsie Line. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 12 16:21:04 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jul 12 16:18:19 2018. That was to open all side doors on the train.For closing there was one to close all doors to his left, another button to close all doors to his right, and another button to close the door he was looking out of. So yes, the 3 side passenger doorways in his car each closed separately. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jul 12 16:24:42 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 12 16:21:04 2018. OK, thanks. The 8 car, or fewer, train always just used one conductor, right/ |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 12 16:57:50 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jul 12 16:24:42 2018. There one conductor on them, at least in their last days in the "Eastern Division".I believe the same held true with 8 cars on Southern Division lines. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jul 12 20:50:55 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 12 16:57:50 2018. My question should have been, were the Standards originally built for single conductor operation on a full trainset? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jul 12 21:19:20 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jul 12 16:18:19 2018. Don't feel bad. I never rode in the same car as the conductor, and I rode on the standards for two years on the Lonesome Larry every Saturday. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jul 12 21:21:13 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jul 12 20:50:55 2018. As delivered, the BMT standards did not have MUDC and each car required a conductor. Beginning in 1921 or thereabouts, the entire fleet was gradually retrofitted with MUDC. |
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Posted by Joe on Thu Jul 12 21:44:07 2018, in response to [PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 11 16:47:44 2018. Okay, so the 14th Street line received Standards which were slid down a ramp in the middle of a street near a LIRR freight branch.I presume the Multis were delivered later, after the route was built up and over Broadway Junction. Most times, I rode Multis until the Standards came back. The New Yorker article on Andy Byford keeps talking of a 37-minute run from Eighth Avenue to Rockaway Parkway. Was it ever any better? I felt the Multis did better speeds on the sharp curves. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Jul 13 06:59:17 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Jul 12 12:43:08 2018. Go play with your trains!! (Lt. Garber) |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jul 13 07:51:58 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard, posted by Joe on Thu Jul 12 21:44:07 2018. I presume the Multis were delivered later, after the route was built up and over Broadway Junction. The Mulit's were delivered later. Speaking of the delivery of A-B's.(June 18, 1924)          |
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Posted by chud1 on Fri Jul 13 12:32:52 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: [PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jul 13 07:51:58 2018. 5 drooling stars out of 5 drooling stars for these pictures.chud1. :)..... |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Jul 13 15:32:34 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: [PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jul 13 07:51:58 2018. You can do anything if you have enough cheap labor. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Jul 13 18:45:00 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: [PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jul 13 07:51:58 2018. Bill: Thank you for these pictures. The last run with car 2701 has a young boy in knickerbockers standing next to it. That's you know who when he was just a little tunnelmouse. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jul 13 20:10:05 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: [PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Jul 13 18:45:00 2018. Bill: Thank you for these pictures. The last run with car 2701 has a young boy in knickerbockers standing next to it. That's you know who when he was just a little tunnelmouse.Larry, RedbirdR33 LOL Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jul 13 20:39:00 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: [PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jul 13 07:51:58 2018. Too bad no color photos exist of them when they were brand new. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jul 14 17:10:35 2018, in response to [PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 11 16:47:44 2018. Speaking of the Larry line, how far did the tracks extend past 6th Ave. before the 8th Ave. station opened? Did they dead end at the western end of the station, or did they continue? If they dead ended at the western end, did trains wrong rail until just before Third Ave. before switching over, or were there switches near 6th Ave. that are no longer there? |
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Posted by VictorM on Sat Jul 14 18:09:36 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jul 14 17:10:35 2018. The center track between 6th and 8th avenues which now dead ends at 6th Av had a Y-type connection at 6th Av, the same as it still has near 8th Av. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Sun Jul 15 02:53:29 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard, posted by VictorM on Sat Jul 14 18:09:36 2018. So it was like the R3-4 layup south of Chambers, then? A single-track layup? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jul 15 08:06:56 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard, posted by VictorM on Sat Jul 14 18:09:36 2018. Makes sense. Back in the day I remember seeing a train of BMT standards parked on it almost every Saturday with the interior lights still on. |
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Posted by VictorM on Sun Jul 15 22:26:43 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard, posted by K. Trout on Sun Jul 15 02:53:29 2018. That's right. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jul 16 06:57:17 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: [PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jul 13 07:51:58 2018. Wonderful!!! But they don't show what motive power pushed these cars through the streets- I assume a small steam locomotive?Also, once they descended the ramp, how did they stop? Was it possible to charge and operate the emergency brakes, even with no power? Finally, how many cars were delivered in this manner? I'm most appreciative of whatever additional info you can supply. Thank You |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jul 16 12:53:46 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: [PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jul 16 06:57:17 2018. Wonderful!!! But they don't show what motive power pushed these cars through the streets- I assume a small steam locomotive?Also, once they descended the ramp, how did they stop? Was it possible to charge and operate the emergency brakes, even with no power? Finally, how many cars were delivered in this manner? I'm most appreciative of whatever additional info you can supply. I see a winch attached to the front of #2700 at the top of the ramp. I don't know how the cars made it down the ramp and stopped. Don't forget, this was the only opening of the new subway to bring any equipment down there. Other than that, that's the most I know. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jul 16 14:11:01 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: [PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jul 16 12:53:46 2018. Ok, thanks. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jul 16 16:02:04 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard, posted by VictorM on Sat Jul 14 18:09:36 2018. I haven’t seen any documentation that indicates that any part of the subway infrastructure existed west (RR north) of the west end of the original terminal at 6 Av/14 St. AFAIK the 2 tks ended in bumping blocks and the tunnel infrastructure ended there also. The trains switched back on a diamond Xover immediately east of 6 Av station. What tends to bear this out is the original signal chaining which started with the lowest number at the west end of 6 Ave. The signal numbers display tk Q1 and Q2 from 6 Ave east whereas immediately west of 6 Av the signal numbers display Q1W and Q2W indicating that there was no infrastructure west of 6 Av prior to its extension to 8 Av. If the middle tk had been there originally, the “W” suffix would only have appeared on the signals in the immediate area of 8 Av station and not from the west end of 6 Ave. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jul 16 18:44:43 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard, posted by VictorM on Sun Jul 15 22:26:43 2018. The next question is, did the tracks go all the way to where they extend now all along, or were they extended when the 8th Ave. station itself was built? |
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Posted by Express Rider on Mon Jul 16 19:18:09 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: [PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jul 16 06:57:17 2018. I don't remember who, but someone posted here that he and the late George Abere (I met him at a Sunrise Trail meeting, the nicest guy, congenial, friendly, and down to earth) walked the local streets in this area sometime since 1960 (?) and they could find no remaining surfaces traces at all of the excavation.I've also heard/ read (latter maybe here) that no remains of any infrastructure in the tunnel exists now either. |
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Posted by VictorM on Tue Jul 17 03:40:20 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jul 16 18:44:43 2018. The 8th Ave station wasn't opened until 7 years after the rest of the line, and in an IND architectural (instead of BMT) style so I doubt the tracks extended all the way to their current end before that, but I could be wrong. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Jul 17 08:32:08 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: [PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jul 16 12:53:46 2018. I see a winch attached to the front of #2700 at the top of the ramp. I don't know how the cars made it down the ramp and stopped. The cars came from Coney Island via the SBK to Parkville Junction and thence over the LIRR to the Bushwick Yard. A small steam locomotive was then used to bring them to the 14th Street Line. They were then lowered down the ramp via a truck motor and block and tackle. The grade was 16.9 %. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Jul 17 16:33:07 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: [PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jul 13 07:51:58 2018.  --Mark |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jul 17 16:45:53 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard, posted by VictorM on Tue Jul 17 03:40:20 2018. As far as the BMT was concerned, there was no reason to extend the 14 St line west of 6 Ave till the IND opened. The only reason it went even that far was that there were some major department stores along 6 Av in the area that attracted ridership. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jul 17 16:53:52 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: [PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard, posted by Express Rider on Mon Jul 16 19:18:09 2018. When George Abers and I were both trainmasters in the 1980s, we did quite a bit of exploring of either abandoned or never used stations mostly on the IND including the elusive 76 St/Pitkin station which we didn’t find either. We did manage to make it to Roosevelt and Utica upper, however. |
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Posted by VictorM on Tue Jul 17 18:12:29 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard, posted by randyo on Mon Jul 16 16:02:04 2018. Thanks for the info. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 17 19:22:16 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard, posted by randyo on Tue Jul 17 16:45:53 2018. Makes sense now. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Wed Jul 18 07:38:19 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: [PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard, posted by randyo on Tue Jul 17 16:53:52 2018. Thanks for refreshing my memory about the earlier posting.Have seen Roosevelt upper, on a transit museum trip, and someday would like to see Utica upper and South 4th st. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Jul 19 01:19:27 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: [PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard, posted by randyo on Tue Jul 17 16:53:52 2018. Did you walk whatever remains in the 4th ave. tunnel, of the curving ramp structures on the Original subway that ascended up to GC?in the early 90s, an employee let me enter behind the door on the south wall of the shuttle --> Lex concourse that I thought led directly to the garbage platform - instead there were remains, for a short distance - iron pillars & empty trackways - for both express tracks that ended at the tower, where you could see down into the tunnel south of GC |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jul 19 16:21:48 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: [PHOTO] A-B Buttonboard, posted by Express Rider on Thu Jul 19 01:19:27 2018. I did walk it when I had the occasion to go the Grand Central master tower. |
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