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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jul 10 06:01:35 2018 Amtrak |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Jul 10 07:26:49 2018, in response to Amtrak, A Marx Brothers Revival, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jul 10 06:01:35 2018. I always become really skeptical when somebody mentions privatization as a panacea.$41 billion sounds like a whole lot, until you figure out it was doled out over 47 years. That's less than $1 billion a year, which isn't that much in govt terms. Interesting that he doesn't say how much is actually paid to the host freight railroads, only that it is "relatively low". As for the cheap buses, you get what you pay for. The fares are cheaper and the buses are more frequent, but how comfortable are they? |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Jul 10 07:36:06 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak, A Marx Brothers Revival, posted by 3-9 on Tue Jul 10 07:26:49 2018. Betcha someone on BusChat can answer your question of how comfortable they are. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Jul 10 20:27:50 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak, A Marx Brothers Revival, posted by 3-9 on Tue Jul 10 07:26:49 2018. Lots of times, privatization simply means that unprofitable services are ended altogether. Also, the railroads were private and many of them went bankrupt, which is how we got to Amtrak in the first place, so privatization can hardly be a cure-all. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 10 20:42:33 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak, A Marx Brothers Revival, posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Jul 10 20:27:50 2018. Those rail services that are "unprofitable" become so due to government interference in the first place.We got Amtrak due to overregulation and a "Keynesian conservative" president who wanted to create it. Before that, we had about twice the number of intercity trains running. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 10 20:43:56 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak, A Marx Brothers Revival, posted by 3-9 on Tue Jul 10 07:26:49 2018. I always become really skeptical when somebody mentions privatization as a panaceaIf you knew the history of public takeovers, you'd be far less skeptical and far more demanding of removal of draconian regulations and taxation that were designed to take such services out of private hands. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Jul 10 23:47:29 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak, A Marx Brothers Revival, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 10 20:42:33 2018. Most of those intercity trains only lasted because the govt wouldn't let them get cancelled. Once the govt gave the go-ahead, the railroads couldn't get rid of them fast enough. I mean, look how many private railroads are running intercity trains now. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 11 00:27:34 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak, A Marx Brothers Revival, posted by 3-9 on Tue Jul 10 23:47:29 2018. Again, because the government was regulating them out of existence. The federal government and states were putting onerous tax burdens on them at the same time they were subsidizing the roads and airports. The reason why we didn't have widespread private sector high-speed rail beginning in the 60s (we had the technology back then) was exactly due to government intervention. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Jul 11 02:37:46 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak, A Marx Brothers Revival, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 11 00:27:34 2018. Like which tax burdens? |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 11 03:23:38 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak, A Marx Brothers Revival, posted by 3-9 on Wed Jul 11 02:37:46 2018. That's his "explanation" for everything he doesn't like.The railroads went bankrupt because of taxes and government interference. Hurricane Sandy battered New York because of taxes and government interference. Adolf Hitler was the son of Hr. Taxes Hitler and Fr. Government Interference Hitler. The civil war was primarily fought over taxes and government interference. The Roman Empire fell because of taxes and government interference. The dinosaurs went extinct because of taxes and government interference. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Jul 11 18:11:37 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak, A Marx Brothers Revival, posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 11 03:23:38 2018. Isn't it strange how the US govt tends to have some kind of influence on huge industries in the US. *sarcasm* |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Jul 12 00:12:12 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak, A Marx Brothers Revival, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 10 20:43:56 2018. We'd be able to bring people back from the dead if it weren't for draconian regulations and taxation that were designed to keep people in the ground after they croak. |
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