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Posted by kp5308 on Mon Jun 4 22:03:14 2018 Last weekend the Reading & Northern started the RDC service from Reading PA to Jim Thorpe. For the schedule click HERE. The passenger department pulled about 120,000 fares total last year. This service along with the station project were the major reasons for the uptick. Loading from the parking lot at Reading on Sunday: The October fall foliage trains load from the cinder platform at the main line level on the track where this SD40-2 set sits:  Coming & going views on the curve at Hamburg PA:   After picking up passengers at RBMN headquarters to fill out the train, the shining Budds pass under PA Route 61 at Molino:  Sometime in April 2017 an RDC1 was purchased from the Southern Railroad of New Jersey and reconditioned by the RBMN shop forces over the winter to handle the demand for seats. The biggest issue was the #2 motor which was swapped out for a completely re-manufactured one. The 9167 sits at "PC" on Sunday after making a shakedown run from Reading to Schuylkill Haven & return Saturday. Only a few minor problems were discovered. The GP30 rebuild in the background will be powering the Jim Thorpe-Homewood Bridge turns this summer:  |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Jun 4 22:05:24 2018, in response to PHOTOS: RDC Time!, posted by kp5308 on Mon Jun 4 22:03:14 2018. Nice! |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Jun 4 22:14:44 2018, in response to PHOTOS: RDC Time!, posted by kp5308 on Mon Jun 4 22:03:14 2018. excellent photos |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 4 22:56:56 2018, in response to PHOTOS: RDC Time!, posted by kp5308 on Mon Jun 4 22:03:14 2018. I can't wait to go in them again this year! |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jun 4 23:30:48 2018, in response to PHOTOS: RDC Time!, posted by kp5308 on Mon Jun 4 22:03:14 2018. nice pix and thanks for the info. Impressive that these cars (old enough to get Social Security) are still functional. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Jun 5 00:41:33 2018, in response to PHOTOS: RDC Time!, posted by kp5308 on Mon Jun 4 22:03:14 2018. Very cool! I really need to get up there sometime. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jun 5 05:22:41 2018, in response to PHOTOS: RDC Time!, posted by kp5308 on Mon Jun 4 22:03:14 2018. Nice! Love those RDC‘s |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jun 5 05:51:12 2018, in response to Re: PHOTOS: RDC Time!, posted by Fred G on Tue Jun 5 05:22:41 2018. I have a friend, who operated the RDCs on the Newtown Line. Then the horrible crash, and the slow demise of the line. Crash |
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Posted by kp5308 on Wed Jun 6 21:01:29 2018, in response to Re: PHOTOS: RDC Time!, posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Jun 5 00:41:33 2018. Give me a few months advance notice & we'll chase one of the runs :o) |
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Posted by kp5308 on Wed Jun 6 21:05:10 2018, in response to Re: PHOTOS: RDC Time!, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jun 4 23:30:48 2018. Impressive that these cars (old enough to get Social Security) are still functional.The Port Clinton shop forces know what they are doing. The cars have not broken down since coming back 4 years ago. |
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Posted by kp5308 on Wed Jun 6 21:08:15 2018, in response to Re: PHOTOS: RDC Time!, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 4 22:56:56 2018. I can't wait to go in them again this year!Karen & I along with at least one other couple are also going to ride. When are you going? We didn't buy tix yet so let me know! |
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Posted by kp5308 on Wed Jun 6 21:09:23 2018, in response to Re: PHOTOS: RDC Time!, posted by Fred G on Tue Jun 5 05:22:41 2018. Been lovin' them as long as I can remember :o) |
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Posted by kp5308 on Wed Jun 6 21:10:36 2018, in response to Re: PHOTOS: RDC Time!, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Jun 4 22:14:44 2018. Thanks to you & Dave :0) |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Jun 7 01:04:48 2018, in response to Re: PHOTOS: RDC Time!, posted by kp5308 on Wed Jun 6 21:05:10 2018. Good on them. That said, my point still remainsthat the basic designsand hardware were well enough chosen/implemented that they are essentially immortal until the stainless steel atrophies. I remain that the SPV was such a disaster. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jun 7 01:53:07 2018, in response to Re: PHOTOS: RDC Time!, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Jun 7 01:04:48 2018. How does stainless steel "atrophy"?The most common corrosion is pitting, and that's usually due to exposure to a lot of salt or salt water. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jun 7 06:53:06 2018, in response to Re: PHOTOS: RDC Time!, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Jun 7 01:04:48 2018. The SPV was no RDC. Here is a brand new SPV-2000 just north of Croton-North designed and built for years of reliable service. NOT !! (September 1981) 
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Jun 7 07:10:26 2018, in response to Re: PHOTOS: RDC Time!, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jun 5 05:51:12 2018. Damn! |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jun 7 16:18:52 2018, in response to Re: PHOTOS: RDC Time!, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jun 7 06:53:06 2018. I wonder why the mechanics of the original RDCs couldn’t have been applied to the SPVs. The design was great so all they needed to do was provide technology that works sort of like the MTA did with the R-62s and 68s by reverting to proven technology. In fact, the RRs that used SPVs could probably have done something similar to what the MTA did with the R-44s and 46s and retrofit the cars with existing RDC mechanics and braking that had been working for years. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jun 7 19:44:31 2018, in response to Re: PHOTOS: RDC Time!, posted by randyo on Thu Jun 7 16:18:52 2018. I wonder why the mechanics of the original RDCs couldn’t have been applied to the SPVs.I don't know the answer to that. Perhaps you may find some answers HERE dutchrailnut should also know more about the SPV's. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Jun 7 20:29:10 2018, in response to Re: PHOTOS: RDC Time!, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jun 7 19:44:31 2018. answer is no, and who would buy a car in 1980's with 1950's technology. The RDC was a dinosaur by 1980's and not fit for human transportation, AC was poor, car was full of combustion fumes , reliability was not as great as people thought. and when run as multiple cars the fuel use went trough the roof. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Jun 7 20:49:52 2018, in response to Re: PHOTOS: RDC Time!, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jun 7 06:53:06 2018. forgot to type 'dismayed'. We all know they failed; the sadness is because they should have done better. |
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Posted by Bill West on Fri Jun 8 02:00:52 2018, in response to Re: PHOTOS: RDC Time!, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jun 7 01:53:07 2018. Eventual fatigue and cracking fits atrophy well enough. Budd distributed the stresses well in their designs but I have a vague recollection that there have been cases of cracks.In the corrosion area, one of the things stainless is susceptible to is corrosion from rust on adjacent carbon steel. I haven't peek under an RDC but Budd's mainline cars have carbon steel members in the endframe. Bill |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jun 8 07:44:20 2018, in response to Re: PHOTOS: RDC Time!, posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Jun 7 20:29:10 2018. answer is no, and who would buy a car in 1980's with 1950's technology. The RDC was a dinosaur by 1980's and not fit for human transportation, AC was poor, car was full of combustion fumes , reliability was not as great as people thought. and when run as multiple cars the fuel use went trough the roof.Thank you. And as for the SPV-2000, much worse than aging RDC's ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jun 8 07:59:49 2018, in response to Re: PHOTOS: RDC Time!, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jun 8 07:44:20 2018. SPV was not bad car, but it was over designed and to technical for most railroaders, they tried to service it with Model A attitude, on Lexus style technology. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Jun 8 08:41:11 2018, in response to Re: PHOTOS: RDC Time!, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jun 8 07:44:20 2018. Bill: The RDC's gave good service but the railroad ran them into the ground. If they had been given a mid life rebuild they might have lasted longer. The SPV's were another story. MN purchased ten of these for us on various shuttle services. After a time they were mostly found on the Croton-Poughkeepsie shuttles. This was done so that they would be near the repair shop. I rode the cars when they were in service for a year. The interiors were black. Apparently no one though to vent the exhaust to the outside. In is interesting to note that although the RDC's were a quarter century older they were withdrawn from service only shortly before the SPV. The last run of the SPV's as near as I can find out was September 23, 1993. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jun 8 13:02:55 2018, in response to Re: PHOTOS: RDC Time!, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Jun 8 08:41:11 2018. I rode the cars when they were in service for a year. The interiors were black.I did too, on the Poughkeepsie Shuttle. The interiors were depressing and the experience overall was underwhelming. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Jun 8 14:05:48 2018, in response to Re: PHOTOS: RDC Time!, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jun 8 13:02:55 2018. entertainingly enough a string of de-motored cars were in service on Caltrain after their time on MBTA. Certainly no worse riding than the rest of the fleet in my limited experience |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jun 8 16:09:05 2018, in response to Re: PHOTOS: RDC Time!, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Jun 8 08:41:11 2018. I remember the 2 car RDC shuttle between Suffern and Port Jervis. You could still make out the, "NEW YORK CENTRAL", on the sides. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jun 8 16:56:23 2018, in response to Re: PHOTOS: RDC Time!, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Jun 8 08:41:11 2018. In 1983, I rode one of them on the Croton-Poughkeepsie shuttle when going to Peekskill with my family to visit a friend. I was a NYCT trainmaster at the time and the C/R not only honored my pass but I got a seated cab ride. The reason for the extra seat was that some RRs like the former B & O required a firman even on RDCs so the SPVs were provided with firemen’s seats for RRs that required them. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Jun 8 17:12:21 2018, in response to Re: PHOTOS: RDC Time!, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jun 8 16:09:05 2018. Yep! When we were teenagers/early 20s we still camping and Tuxedo New York and we would have to get off at Suffern and switch to those cars to go to tuxedo. They lasted until 1989 or so I will leave |
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Posted by Ian Lennon on Sat Jun 9 00:22:35 2018, in response to Re: PHOTOS: RDC Time!, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jun 8 07:59:49 2018. Sounds like the MTA with the R-44/46. Space age tech, Arnine maintenance. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Jun 9 08:23:52 2018, in response to Re: PHOTOS: RDC Time!, posted by Ian Lennon on Sat Jun 9 00:22:35 2018. Sounds like the MTA with the R-44/46. Space age tech, Arnine maintenance. If any MTA cars mirrored the R-44 is was the M-1A. They so were so-complicated that it to a master mechanic with the spec book right in front of him to fix them. They were very temperamental cars and they didn't like to get up in the morning. I recall many times having several trains of M-1A's sitting in the yard and not able be able to move for one reason or another. Metro-North did what they could with them but they always were labor intensive. This is one reason that they were retired the same time the ACMU's. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jun 9 15:36:28 2018, in response to Re: PHOTOS: RDC Time!, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Jun 9 08:23:52 2018. Actually, it was the R-44s that mirrored the M-1s and M-1As that came before the R-44s. |
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Posted by Alan Follett on Sat Jun 9 22:06:11 2018, in response to Re: PHOTOS: RDC Time!, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jun 8 07:44:20 2018. On the evidence of performance, yes, they were worse. There are still a few 60-year-old RDCs in service. SPVs never caught on, and a few depowered survivors just headed south in freight service to a museum in South Carolina or somewhere. A sad technological failure.My longest RDC ride was in 1969, GN (or by that time maybe BN) Winnipeg to Fargo. Not a bad ride, but the bell was ringing every...last...inch...of...the...way. Alan Follett South San Francisco, CA |
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Posted by kp5308 on Sat Jun 9 22:45:15 2018, in response to Re: PHOTOS: RDC Time!, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Jun 7 01:04:48 2018. they are essentially immortal until the stainless steel atrophies.In the case of the RBMN the RDC is the most cost effective option for the roughly 520 mile per month 7 month per year service they are assigned to (hardly "immortal" performance) based on dollars & cents, income vs. expenses & ridership demand. Andy Muller has the desire to do the footwork, keep the inventory, support and grow the service that uses the cars so they have an opportunity to earn their keep. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Mon Jun 11 16:08:51 2018, in response to Re: PHOTOS: RDC Time!, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jun 7 06:53:06 2018. The "Seldom Propelled Vehicle" not to be used after the year 2000 .... and it didn't even make it until then!--Mark |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Jun 11 16:15:34 2018, in response to Re: PHOTOS: RDC Time!, posted by randyo on Fri Jun 8 16:56:23 2018. The SPV's did not have a firemans seat , this was main reason the outer drive shafts were removed since entire car was on drivers it would require a fireman, but because no provisions existed they had to remove drive shafts so only half car weight was on drivers . |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 12 14:50:09 2018, in response to Re: PHOTOS: RDC Time!, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Jun 11 16:15:34 2018. Well, what would you call the seat that I sat on in the SPV? |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Jun 12 17:55:25 2018, in response to Re: PHOTOS: RDC Time!, posted by randyo on Tue Jun 12 14:50:09 2018. there was no seat as the sliding door fits in wall were seat would be , I only worked on SPV's as mechanic, MofE foreman and engineer so what do I know but that wall only held a trap latch . |
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Posted by K. Trout on Tue Jun 12 23:59:41 2018, in response to Re: PHOTOS: RDC Time!, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Jun 9 08:23:52 2018. How did the M-2s compare? From what I have read there were effectively two independent power busses depending on whether DC or AC pickup was active. I would imagine that's a recipe for double the headaches. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Jun 13 08:20:47 2018, in response to Re: PHOTOS: RDC Time!, posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Jun 7 20:29:10 2018. AC was poor, car was full of combustion fumesI remember that about my one and only RDC ride on the Waterbury branch. It was hot (I assumed the car was so old it never had air conditioning) and it stank of diesel fumes, so much so that I actually got sick on that ride. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jun 13 15:47:38 2018, in response to Re: PHOTOS: RDC Time!, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Jun 12 17:55:25 2018. There definitely WAS a seat because I sat in it. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 13 17:14:39 2018, in response to Re: PHOTOS: RDC Time!, posted by randyo on Wed Jun 13 15:47:38 2018. whatever, guess we took out driveshafts for nothing, as there was provisions for fireman as you say , you been on such a car once or twice , I got two decades of experience on them including having to stand as Instructing engineer . |
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