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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun Jun 10 09:09:48 2018 South Phoenix residents push to stop light rail expansion PHOENIX (AP) — A group of Phoenix residents are hoping to persuade city officials to reverse course and derail a planned expansion of the metro area's light rail system. The city has already approved the 6-mile (10-kilometer) expansion into south Phoenix with construction expected to begin in 2019, The Arizona Republic reported Wednesday. The project will extend the light rail along Central Avenue south of downtown between Jefferson Street and Baseline Road. More than 200 residents recently gathered at a community center in south Phoenix to protest the project, claiming it will hurt businesses along the planned route by removing car lanes and diminishing their customer base. They also claim the extension will bring crime to their neighborhoods. SF GATE |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jun 10 09:58:20 2018, in response to South Phoenix residents push to stop light rail expansion, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun Jun 10 09:09:48 2018. Voters in Denver shot down light rail in November of 1980 (I voted for it), then in 1994 the first line opened. About the only opposition was having a double track line down Welton Street through Five Points. RTD ended up building a single track line with provision for a second track. Since then, every time a new line would open, RTD had to order even more cars because ridership exceeded expectations. |
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Posted by George Foelschow on Sun Jun 10 13:06:11 2018, in response to South Phoenix residents push to stop light rail expansion, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun Jun 10 09:09:48 2018. Do I detect a whiff or racism in the claim that rail transit will bring crime to a neighborhood? This is really a tired trope. A potential burglar would likely travel by automobile as opposed to waiting for a train in the middle of the street surrounded by stolen loot. |
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Posted by Dave on Sun Jun 10 14:00:43 2018, in response to Re: South Phoenix residents push to stop light rail expansion, posted by George Foelschow on Sun Jun 10 13:06:11 2018. When MetroLink constructed in St. Louis, there were three votes to extend the line from the airport out to St. Charles (a suburb in a neighboring county, separated from St. Louis County by the Missouri River) using existing ROW and in most of the route, existing track and an extant RR bridge over the river. It was voted down all three times and after the last vote, St. Charles demolished the bridge. Why? Because MetroLink ran from East. St. Louis (a poor, minority city with a high crime rate) to Lambert Field, and St. Charles residents didn't want "blacks taking the train out here to rob our homes." |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Jun 10 14:22:38 2018, in response to Re: South Phoenix residents push to stop light rail expansion, posted by George Foelschow on Sun Jun 10 13:06:11 2018. Standard POV in the "we moved to get away from them" neighborhoods. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun Jun 10 16:20:13 2018, in response to South Phoenix residents push to stop light rail expansion, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun Jun 10 09:09:48 2018. we are expanding light rail and subway lines here in the los angeles metro areas |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jun 10 17:28:23 2018, in response to Re: South Phoenix residents push to stop light rail expansion, posted by George Foelschow on Sun Jun 10 13:06:11 2018. Yeah..riding the train to loot..then ride the train back with loot in tow...Really bright. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jun 10 19:45:01 2018, in response to Re: South Phoenix residents push to stop light rail expansion, posted by George Foelschow on Sun Jun 10 13:06:11 2018. I can easily see where a train station might increase crime in the immediate area. It’s not necessarily because criminals wide ride in on a train, commit a crime, and ride away. It’s because train stations can attract riff raff. Riff raff that wouldn’t otherwise be there.I used to laugh when people would protest a 7-Eleven coming to their neighborhood by saying that it will increase crime. Now that I live near one, it doesn’t seem so ridiculous anymore. A train station can be similar. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jun 10 20:00:33 2018, in response to Re: South Phoenix residents push to stop light rail expansion, posted by Easy on Sun Jun 10 19:45:01 2018. I have heard claims that the immediate area of the Christopher Street PATH station has a fair amount of discontented "youth" from NJ. Mostly petty crime (more like pickpocketing and drunken behavior than armed robbery) but still annoying. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun Jun 10 20:45:38 2018, in response to Re: South Phoenix residents push to stop light rail expansion, posted by Easy on Sun Jun 10 19:45:01 2018. iawtp |
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Posted by Dave on Sun Jun 10 20:49:30 2018, in response to Re: South Phoenix residents push to stop light rail expansion, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun Jun 10 16:20:13 2018. Good idea. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jun 10 21:01:17 2018, in response to South Phoenix residents push to stop light rail expansion, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun Jun 10 09:09:48 2018. Same ol' nimby crap racist boneheads say.Like someone would actually want to ride the train to your house to rob it...then take a train back out with the loot in tow. People can be so damn stupid. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun Jun 10 22:19:34 2018, in response to Re: South Phoenix residents push to stop light rail expansion, posted by Dave on Sun Jun 10 20:49:30 2018. most of the people want it here |
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Posted by trains61 on Sun Jun 10 23:32:13 2018, in response to Re: South Phoenix residents push to stop light rail expansion, posted by Edwards! on Sun Jun 10 17:28:23 2018. The irony of it all is that the area in question is predominantly Hispanic and African American.The money that is being spent could be better served for regional rail. The light rail as currently configured does not go where folks live. The Lurkers'Guild East Valley Resident |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jun 11 01:23:13 2018, in response to Re: South Phoenix residents push to stop light rail expansion, posted by Easy on Sun Jun 10 19:45:01 2018. Before I moved back to bay Ridge, there were 2 businesses that wanted to open 24/7. One was a Rite Aid drug store at 79 St and 3 Ave and the other was a 7/11 at the corner of 65 St and 3 Ave. The NIMBYs protested claiming that all night businesses if this type would attract a “bad element” into the neighborhood. The drug store has not yet opened 24/7 yet but 2 other Rite Aids in the neighborhood are open 24/7. The irony of the 7/11 which is AFAIK open 24/7 is that it is right down the block from the local police station. What is even lore interesting is that very often, the same people who complain if they can't get medication or a container of milk when they need it late at night are among the ones who protested against the establishment in the first place. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jun 11 01:25:52 2018, in response to Re: South Phoenix residents push to stop light rail expansion, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun Jun 10 16:20:13 2018. Since I was raised and continue to live in NYC, My feeling is that in major metropolitan areas like LA should have 24/7 public transportation. That would be the only way to insure that those participating in the night life of those cities don’t drive under the influence! |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jun 11 01:26:54 2018, in response to Re: South Phoenix residents push to stop light rail expansion, posted by Edwards! on Sun Jun 10 21:01:17 2018. I agree. Maybe if stupidity and ignorance were made capital offenses, the rest of us would be better off!!! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 11 01:54:06 2018, in response to Re: South Phoenix residents push to stop light rail expansion, posted by randyo on Mon Jun 11 01:26:54 2018. Well, that would mean the end of the left-wing advocates at all levels. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 11 01:54:39 2018, in response to Re: South Phoenix residents push to stop light rail expansion, posted by Edwards! on Sun Jun 10 21:01:17 2018. nimby crap racistLOL! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 11 01:57:32 2018, in response to Re: South Phoenix residents push to stop light rail expansion, posted by George Foelschow on Sun Jun 10 13:06:11 2018. Do I detect a whiff or racismLOL! See opposition to government project, cry "racism".  |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 11 01:58:13 2018, in response to Re: South Phoenix residents push to stop light rail expansion, posted by Dave on Sun Jun 10 14:00:43 2018. Everyone makes these stories up. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jun 11 01:58:22 2018, in response to Re: South Phoenix residents push to stop light rail expansion, posted by randyo on Mon Jun 11 01:23:13 2018. typical. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jun 11 02:02:24 2018, in response to Re: South Phoenix residents push to stop light rail expansion, posted by randyo on Mon Jun 11 01:25:52 2018. ABSOLUTELY AGREE. Transit agencies which practice 'cinderella liberty" are cheating both themselves and their riders. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 11 02:04:01 2018, in response to Re: South Phoenix residents push to stop light rail expansion, posted by trains61 on Sun Jun 10 23:32:13 2018. The money that is being spent could be better served for regional railThat's like trying to get Amtrak back into Phoenix after it was re-routed via Maricopa. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 11 02:06:42 2018, in response to Re: South Phoenix residents push to stop light rail expansion, posted by randyo on Mon Jun 11 01:25:52 2018. Since I was raised and continue to live in NYC, My feeling is that in major metropolitan areas like LA should have 24/7 public transportationNonsequitur. Not even NYC had 24/7 mass transit (don't say "public transit"; that's a government term) originally. The original intent of the subways was to run mostly passenger during the daytime and freight at night. That would be the only way to insure that those participating in the night life of those cities don’t drive under the influence No shortage of drunk/stoned drivers in NYC at any time of day, including night. If one is drunk or stoned, one does not want to take the subway, bus or train and get robbed or beaten up or worse. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 11 10:28:33 2018, in response to Re: South Phoenix residents push to stop light rail expansion, posted by randyo on Mon Jun 11 01:26:54 2018. If stupidity and ignorance were capital offenses, the person you're replying to would be on death row. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jun 11 12:29:54 2018, in response to Re: South Phoenix residents push to stop light rail expansion, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 11 10:28:33 2018. You know,I find the fact that You seem to Always bitch,moan and whine to others ABOUT ME incredibly comforting.Why? Simply due to the fact that you are a race soldier...a bigot and No hit wonder thats ran out of steam. By invocation,making Any reference to or about me in such a manner is Your way of attempting to fan your greatest fantasy...BEING RELEVANT. For future reference,child... though you WILL RUN AWAY like usual..pull that pole out of your ass once in awhile. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jun 11 12:50:44 2018, in response to Re: South Phoenix residents push to stop light rail expansion, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 11 02:06:42 2018. Oh damn...here you go again...trying to be RELEVANT.Basically,you have no clue about What you are saying...but flipping through the thread,picking a few clues here and there..you do have the uncanny ability to APPEAR to have the LIKENESS of someone. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jun 11 12:57:06 2018, in response to Re: South Phoenix residents push to stop light rail expansion, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 11 01:54:39 2018. Pull.Pole Out Of Your Ass😒 |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Jun 11 14:07:10 2018, in response to Re: South Phoenix residents push to stop light rail expansion, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 11 02:06:42 2018. Who the hell cares what the "original intent" of the subways was back in the 1880s? |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jun 11 15:44:17 2018, in response to Re: South Phoenix residents push to stop light rail expansion, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 11 02:06:42 2018. Where is the source of your info that the subways were not always 24/7? It may be possible that the els and some streetcar lines may not have been 24/7 but any documentation I have seen indicates that from day one, the subways ran all night. Even Boston at one time ran all night although it no longer does and both Chicago and Philly runs all night although not on all lines. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jun 11 15:44:41 2018, in response to Re: South Phoenix residents push to stop light rail expansion, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 11 01:54:06 2018. So? |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Jun 11 16:31:35 2018, in response to Re: South Phoenix residents push to stop light rail expansion, posted by randyo on Mon Jun 11 01:25:52 2018. I can see where you would think that but to me if Tokyo and Seoul can exist without 24-hour service then LA can as well. If I had to choose between 24-hour and better/more frequent rush hour then I choose the latter every time. Right now we have 21-hour service. That probably services 99% or more of the potential transit trips. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 11 16:51:47 2018, in response to Re: South Phoenix residents push to stop light rail expansion, posted by randyo on Mon Jun 11 15:44:17 2018. I read that in They Moved The Millions. |
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Posted by Shiznit1987 on Mon Jun 11 20:37:20 2018, in response to Re: South Phoenix residents push to stop light rail expansion, posted by Easy on Mon Jun 11 16:31:35 2018. I'm pretty sure LA has 24/7 transit, it's just in the form of buses. Most all of the major European cities have night bus networks and when I lived in Philadelphia you had a good amount of night owl routes as well. Can't speak on Asia though.Not everything needs to be a train... |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Jun 11 22:28:33 2018, in response to Re: South Phoenix residents push to stop light rail expansion, posted by Shiznit1987 on Mon Jun 11 20:37:20 2018. You’re right. I was thinking rapid transit, but we do have 24 hour buses. I don’t know how easy they are to use at 3am, but there’s at least something. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 11 22:33:32 2018, in response to Re: South Phoenix residents push to stop light rail expansion, posted by Shiznit1987 on Mon Jun 11 20:37:20 2018. On this board, it does. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 11 22:35:20 2018, in response to Re: South Phoenix residents push to stop light rail expansion, posted by randyo on Mon Jun 11 15:44:41 2018. So I like the idea. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 12 14:52:55 2018, in response to Re: South Phoenix residents push to stop light rail expansion, posted by Shiznit1987 on Mon Jun 11 20:37:20 2018. When I was in Chicago in 1989, all the rapid transit lines except for Ravenswood (Brown) ran 24/7. What I did notice though that unlike NYC, the midnight bus headways were better than the trains. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jun 12 22:16:31 2018, in response to Re: South Phoenix residents push to stop light rail expansion, posted by randyo on Mon Jun 11 01:26:54 2018. Oh yeah.Its dumb crap like that...plus the utterly stupid ego driven veral bile that spews out of the stupid people mouths,like Olong Troll..that makes you give pause every once in awhile in amazement. |
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