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France's government offers to absorb $41 billion of SNCF's debt to end the ongoing strike |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 25 14:16:34 2018 What, that much debt? It's only a piece of the total debt.AFP via The Local
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Fri May 25 15:14:16 2018, in response to France's government offers to absorb $41 billion of SNCF's debt to end the ongoing strike, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 25 14:16:34 2018. If it is a "state railway", isn't the state (government) effectively responsible for its debt anyway? I can't imagine France letting a state-owned enterprise just "go bankrupt". |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 25 21:42:39 2018, in response to Re: France's government offers to absorb $41 billion of SNCF's debt to end the ongoing strike, posted by Dyre Dan on Fri May 25 15:14:16 2018. That's the general impression.The strike is over the perception that Macron wants to privatize the railroads. Can't see where that would be a problem; after all, it'd result in more freight being carried, and even the high-speed lines would continue to survive as private concerns. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 25 23:46:58 2018, in response to Re: France's government offers to absorb $41 billion of SNCF's debt to end the ongoing strike, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 25 21:42:39 2018. Can't see where that would be a problemOf course you can't see why it's a problem. They, however, can. Maybe they took a peek across the channel and saw what a disaster privatisation was for England. Maybe they even took a glance across the Atlantic and noticed just how thoroughly private railroads failed in America. |
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Re: France's government offers to absorb $41 billion of SNCF's debt to end the ongoing strike |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Fri May 25 23:50:40 2018, in response to Re: France's government offers to absorb $41 billion of SNCF's debt to end the ongoing strike, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 25 21:42:39 2018. I don't disagree, but why do you say it would "result in more freight being carried"? |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 25 23:53:08 2018, in response to Re: France's government offers to absorb $41 billion of SNCF's debt to end the ongoing strike, posted by Dyre Dan on Fri May 25 23:50:40 2018. Magical thinking. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 26 07:40:00 2018, in response to Re: France's government offers to absorb $41 billion of SNCF's debt to end the ongoing strike, posted by Nilet on Fri May 25 23:46:58 2018. BNSF, UP, NS and CSX seem to be doing well.Even the DMVW seems to be doing well. So you point is what? That you are a Communist? ROAR |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat May 26 16:49:06 2018, in response to Re: France's government offers to absorb $41 billion of SNCF's debt to end the ongoing strike, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 26 07:40:00 2018. BNSF, UP, NS and CSX seem to be doing well.So where can I find their passenger trains? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 26 18:55:43 2018, in response to Re: France's government offers to absorb $41 billion of SNCF's debt to end the ongoing strike, posted by Nilet on Sat May 26 16:49:06 2018. Ah... Passenger Trains?Well you see, the passenger business, that is the problem, now, isn't it? It does seem to me that all passenger business needs to be subsidized, from automobile to train to air plane. I guess I could make money running a passenger train, say the Long Island Rail Road, for example, but then the fares would indeed be quite a bit higher. So much so, that I could bet by with far fewer trains, employees and equipments, since most people could not afford to ride them. But of the ones who could, I dare say I could make a profit. The others can part their cares on the LIE and enjoy hours of non-start grid lock. So if we want transportation to work for people, for the city, for the state, I suppose we had better find a better way to fund it. Of course we could bring back First Class coaches on the LIRR. You know, for those who would pay quite a bit more for comfortable travel to and from work. What the heck, if yo make six or seven digits of salary, perhaps you could afford special amenities. And there is nothing wrong with that as it would help fund the transportation of those who need to have reduced fares. See, *I* get a luxury class accommodation with complimentary continental breakfast, and those who need reduced fare can get that on my largess. ROAR |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 26 20:54:48 2018, in response to Re: France's government offers to absorb $41 billion of SNCF's debt to end the ongoing strike, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 26 18:55:43 2018. I guess I could make money running a passenger train, say the Long Island Rail Road, for example, but then the fares would indeed be quite a bit higherNot if costs due to regulations were defrayed by removing certain unnecessary regulations. Of course we could bring back First Class coaches on the LIRR Nothing wrong with that. |
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Re: France's government offers to absorb $41 billion of SNCF's debt to end the ongoing strike |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 26 20:56:18 2018, in response to Re: France's government offers to absorb $41 billion of SNCF's debt to end the ongoing strike, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 26 07:40:00 2018. That's always his point, lol. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun May 27 10:57:02 2018, in response to Re: France's government offers to absorb $41 billion of SNCF's debt to end the ongoing strike, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 26 18:55:43 2018. Ah... Passenger Trains?Well you see, the passenger business, that is the problem, now, isn't it? It does seem to me that all passenger business needs to be subsidized, from automobile to train to air plane. Exactly. So I guess you're a communist too, then? I guess I could make money running a passenger train, say the Long Island Rail Road, for example, but then the fares would indeed be quite a bit higher. So much so, that I could bet by with far fewer trains, employees and equipments, since most people could not afford to ride them. But of the ones who could, I dare say I could make a profit. In which case, you're basically running a tourist train, not a commuter train. The others can part their cares on the LIE and enjoy hours of non-start grid lock. Which is what we're trying to avoid. The cost of all that lost productivity and pollution is a hell of a lot higher than the cost of running the railroad. So if we want transportation to work for people, for the city, for the state, I suppose we had better find a better way to fund it. Exactly. Trouble is, there's only one way to fund it and it's the way that makes you and Olog reflexively say the word "communist" even though neither of you knows what it means. Of course we could bring back First Class coaches on the LIRR. You know, for those who would pay quite a bit more for comfortable travel to and from work. What the heck, if yo make six or seven digits of salary, perhaps you could afford special amenities. And there is nothing wrong with that as it would help fund the transportation of those who need to have reduced fares. See, *I* get a luxury class accommodation with complimentary continental breakfast, and those who need reduced fare can get that on my largess. Except that the LIRR had first-class accommodations for decades. It still wasn't enough to turn a profit. The SNCF also has first-class cars and they still need to be subsidised. It just isn't enough. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun May 27 11:01:28 2018, in response to Re: France's government offers to absorb $41 billion of SNCF's debt to end the ongoing strike, posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 26 20:54:48 2018. Not if costs due to regulations were defrayed by removing certain unnecessary regulations.48. Exactly which regulations do you think should be removed? You love to blabber about "regulations" in general, but when it comes to the specifics of exactly what you think companies should be allowed to do? Well, that needs to be preemptively numbered, because you can't answer it. |
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