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France's government offers to absorb $41 billion of SNCF's debt to end the ongoing strike

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 25 14:16:34 2018

What, that much debt? It's only a piece of the total debt.

AFP via The Local

French government offers to absorb '€35 billion of railway debt' to end strike

25 May 2018 11:36 CEST+02:00
The French government has agreed to absorb €35 billion in debt from the state railway SNCF, a top union official said Friday, as it seeks an end to nearly two months of strikes.

Luc Berille, the head of the UNSA union, said that the state had proposed taking on €35 billion ($41 billion) of the SNCF's €46 billion of debt, starting with €25 billion as soon as 2020.

"The prime minister was specific," Berille said after talks with premier Edouard Philippe, adding that the government would increase infrastructure investment by €200 million a year to reach an annual total of €3.8 billion.

"The issue is moving forward" and "there is now dialogue", he added.

All trade unions representing staff on the SNCF have backed the longest ever strike sequence on the network which began in early April and has seen workers stop work on two out of every five days.

Absorbing the debt has been a key demand from unions, but it looked unlikely to to break the deadlock, with the hardline CGT union saying it would continue the strikes.

Earlier this week, the results of a poll organized by unions showed that 95 percent of respondents rejected the government's proposed rail reforms, the CGT announced on Wednesday.

'Major concerns'

Philippe is holding meetings with the main rail unions on Friday and plans to make a statement around midday, before meeting with SNCF chief Guillaume Pepy in the afternoon.

Roger Dillenseger, of the UNSA's rail branch, the second-largest union at the company behind the CGT, said it would consult members about whether to continue the stoppages.

But he said that for now, the union remained mobilized against the overhaul because "the official plan is the one that will emerge from the Senate," which is scheduled to vote on the rail reform law on June 5, Dillenseger said.

"We still have major concerns", but "the negotiations are paying off," he said.

President Emmanuel Macron has pledged extensive changes aimed at making French trains more efficient and less costly to operate, ahead of the opening of the European market to passenger rail competition starting in 2020.

Unions also oppose the transformation of the SNCF into a joint-stock company whose shares would be held by the state — which they see as a first step to privatization — and want the state to take on the bulk of its legacy debt.


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Re: France's government offers to absorb $41 billion of SNCF's debt to end the ongoing strike

Posted by Dyre Dan on Fri May 25 15:14:16 2018, in response to France's government offers to absorb $41 billion of SNCF's debt to end the ongoing strike, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 25 14:16:34 2018.

If it is a "state railway", isn't the state (government) effectively responsible for its debt anyway? I can't imagine France letting a state-owned enterprise just "go bankrupt".

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Re: France's government offers to absorb $41 billion of SNCF's debt to end the ongoing strike

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 25 21:42:39 2018, in response to Re: France's government offers to absorb $41 billion of SNCF's debt to end the ongoing strike, posted by Dyre Dan on Fri May 25 15:14:16 2018.

That's the general impression.

The strike is over the perception that Macron wants to privatize the railroads. Can't see where that would be a problem; after all, it'd result in more freight being carried, and even the high-speed lines would continue to survive as private concerns.

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Re: France's government offers to absorb $41 billion of SNCF's debt to end the ongoing strike

Posted by Nilet on Fri May 25 23:46:58 2018, in response to Re: France's government offers to absorb $41 billion of SNCF's debt to end the ongoing strike, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 25 21:42:39 2018.

Can't see where that would be a problem

Of course you can't see why it's a problem. They, however, can.

Maybe they took a peek across the channel and saw what a disaster privatisation was for England. Maybe they even took a glance across the Atlantic and noticed just how thoroughly private railroads failed in America.

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Re: France's government offers to absorb $41 billion of SNCF's debt to end the ongoing strike

Posted by Dyre Dan on Fri May 25 23:50:40 2018, in response to Re: France's government offers to absorb $41 billion of SNCF's debt to end the ongoing strike, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 25 21:42:39 2018.

I don't disagree, but why do you say it would "result in more freight being carried"?

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Re: France's government offers to absorb $41 billion of SNCF's debt to end the ongoing strike

Posted by Nilet on Fri May 25 23:53:08 2018, in response to Re: France's government offers to absorb $41 billion of SNCF's debt to end the ongoing strike, posted by Dyre Dan on Fri May 25 23:50:40 2018.

Magical thinking.

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Re: France's government offers to absorb $41 billion of SNCF's debt to end the ongoing strike

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 26 07:40:00 2018, in response to Re: France's government offers to absorb $41 billion of SNCF's debt to end the ongoing strike, posted by Nilet on Fri May 25 23:46:58 2018.

BNSF, UP, NS and CSX seem to be doing well.

Even the DMVW seems to be doing well.

So you point is what? That you are a Communist?

ROAR

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Re: France's government offers to absorb $41 billion of SNCF's debt to end the ongoing strike

Posted by Nilet on Sat May 26 16:49:06 2018, in response to Re: France's government offers to absorb $41 billion of SNCF's debt to end the ongoing strike, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 26 07:40:00 2018.

BNSF, UP, NS and CSX seem to be doing well.

So where can I find their passenger trains?

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Re: France's government offers to absorb $41 billion of SNCF's debt to end the ongoing strike

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 26 18:55:43 2018, in response to Re: France's government offers to absorb $41 billion of SNCF's debt to end the ongoing strike, posted by Nilet on Sat May 26 16:49:06 2018.

Ah... Passenger Trains?

Well you see, the passenger business, that is the problem, now, isn't it?

It does seem to me that all passenger business needs to be subsidized, from automobile to train to air plane.

I guess I could make money running a passenger train, say the Long Island Rail Road, for example, but then the fares would indeed be quite a bit higher. So much so, that I could bet by with far fewer trains, employees and equipments, since most people could not afford to ride them. But of the ones who could, I dare say I could make a profit.

The others can part their cares on the LIE and enjoy hours of non-start grid lock.

So if we want transportation to work for people, for the city, for the state, I suppose we had better find a better way to fund it.

Of course we could bring back First Class coaches on the LIRR. You know, for those who would pay quite a bit more for comfortable travel to and from work. What the heck, if yo make six or seven digits of salary, perhaps you could afford special amenities. And there is nothing wrong with that as it would help fund the transportation of those who need to have reduced fares.

See, *I* get a luxury class accommodation with complimentary continental breakfast, and those who need reduced fare can get that on my largess.

ROAR

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Re: France's government offers to absorb $41 billion of SNCF's debt to end the ongoing strike

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 26 20:54:48 2018, in response to Re: France's government offers to absorb $41 billion of SNCF's debt to end the ongoing strike, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 26 18:55:43 2018.

I guess I could make money running a passenger train, say the Long Island Rail Road, for example, but then the fares would indeed be quite a bit higher

Not if costs due to regulations were defrayed by removing certain unnecessary regulations.

Of course we could bring back First Class coaches on the LIRR

Nothing wrong with that.

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Re: France's government offers to absorb $41 billion of SNCF's debt to end the ongoing strike

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 26 20:56:18 2018, in response to Re: France's government offers to absorb $41 billion of SNCF's debt to end the ongoing strike, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 26 07:40:00 2018.

That's always his point, lol.

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Re: France's government offers to absorb $41 billion of SNCF's debt to end the ongoing strike

Posted by Nilet on Sun May 27 10:57:02 2018, in response to Re: France's government offers to absorb $41 billion of SNCF's debt to end the ongoing strike, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 26 18:55:43 2018.

Ah... Passenger Trains?

Well you see, the passenger business, that is the problem, now, isn't it?

It does seem to me that all passenger business needs to be subsidized, from automobile to train to air plane.


Exactly.

So I guess you're a communist too, then?

I guess I could make money running a passenger train, say the Long Island Rail Road, for example, but then the fares would indeed be quite a bit higher. So much so, that I could bet by with far fewer trains, employees and equipments, since most people could not afford to ride them. But of the ones who could, I dare say I could make a profit.

In which case, you're basically running a tourist train, not a commuter train.

The others can part their cares on the LIE and enjoy hours of non-start grid lock.

Which is what we're trying to avoid. The cost of all that lost productivity and pollution is a hell of a lot higher than the cost of running the railroad.

So if we want transportation to work for people, for the city, for the state, I suppose we had better find a better way to fund it.

Exactly. Trouble is, there's only one way to fund it and it's the way that makes you and Olog reflexively say the word "communist" even though neither of you knows what it means.

Of course we could bring back First Class coaches on the LIRR. You know, for those who would pay quite a bit more for comfortable travel to and from work. What the heck, if yo make six or seven digits of salary, perhaps you could afford special amenities. And there is nothing wrong with that as it would help fund the transportation of those who need to have reduced fares.

See, *I* get a luxury class accommodation with complimentary continental breakfast, and those who need reduced fare can get that on my largess.


Except that the LIRR had first-class accommodations for decades. It still wasn't enough to turn a profit.

The SNCF also has first-class cars and they still need to be subsidised.

It just isn't enough.

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Re: France's government offers to absorb $41 billion of SNCF's debt to end the ongoing strike

Posted by Nilet on Sun May 27 11:01:28 2018, in response to Re: France's government offers to absorb $41 billion of SNCF's debt to end the ongoing strike, posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 26 20:54:48 2018.

Not if costs due to regulations were defrayed by removing certain unnecessary regulations.

48. Exactly which regulations do you think should be removed?

You love to blabber about "regulations" in general, but when it comes to the specifics of exactly what you think companies should be allowed to do? Well, that needs to be preemptively numbered, because you can't answer it.

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