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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 11 19:36:22 2018  R-32's on the (TT) & (B) signed as (BB) (May 1968)  Where the West End & Sea Beach used to merge and one bridge over Coney Island creek. (May 1968)  R-6 #1150 At Continental Ave-Forest Hills on the (EE). (December 6, 1967)  Museum R-7A #1575 on the (D) at Sheepshead Bay. (July 1, 1968)  R-14 #5872 In tartar red at an unidentified station. (April 1965) 
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri May 11 19:43:45 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 11 19:36:22 2018. nice |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri May 11 20:17:31 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 11 19:36:22 2018. 1575 must have ventured over to the Three Stooges Division later. I was actually in the city on July 1, 1968 and even rode on a D train to the Bronx - only it was an R-32 consist. |
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Posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Fri May 11 20:42:24 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 11 19:36:22 2018. D train was signed wrong. It's coming in from the north end so it should have been signed either BRIGHTON BEACH or CONEY ISLAND. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri May 11 20:52:00 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 11 19:36:22 2018. NICE PHOTOS |
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Posted by Dave on Fri May 11 22:32:37 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 11 19:36:22 2018. Two thumbs up! But it's "tartan" red, not "tartar" red. |
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Posted by VictorM on Fri May 11 23:23:03 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Fri May 11 20:42:24 2018. That girder is over Sheepshead Bay Road near the north end of the station, so the photo is facing south. The D train is heading north so the front sign is correct. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat May 12 00:52:53 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri May 11 19:43:45 2018. I agree!Brings back memories of my early railfan days riding the trains as a teenager, with my Minolta 35mm rangerfinder camera. |
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Posted by Bklynsubwaybob on Sat May 12 05:19:41 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 11 19:36:22 2018. Thanks for the photos, Bill. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat May 12 06:02:39 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 11 19:36:22 2018. great stuff. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat May 12 07:59:13 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by Dave on Fri May 11 22:32:37 2018. Two thumbs up! But it's "tartan" red, not "tartar" red.I always though it was tartan, but was told that correctly, it's tartar red. So I don't know what's correct. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Dave on Sat May 12 08:08:17 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat May 12 07:59:13 2018. Thomas Tatar plays for the Red Wings!I Googled 'tartar red' and drew a blank. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat May 12 08:13:26 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 11 19:36:22 2018. Fabulastic fotos. My favorites are the R6 at Continental and the R14. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 12 08:56:00 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 11 19:36:22 2018. nice |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sat May 12 12:14:12 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 11 19:36:22 2018. Thanks for posting and sharing the great photos here, Bill1Egad, Sheepshead Bay station and those wooden platforms!!! -William A. Padron ["Voorhies Avenue"] |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat May 12 12:14:32 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 11 19:36:22 2018. Notice on the R16 shortly after Chrystie, they simply patched the route sign with RR, and probably with QJ, RJ, amd JJ too. That was before they blanked the route sign and butchered the destination sign with colored route letters.While they had "Astoria" for the end destination sign, they pasted a card-stock "95th Street" on the side route signs, whether used in RR or RJ service. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sat May 12 12:38:44 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by William A. Padron on Sat May 12 12:14:12 2018. I will add this...It looks like that red #5872 was taken at the Burke Avenue station along the #2/#5 line in the Bronx. Here are the links to two similar photos, and take note of the apartment building in the background. R-17 #6652, Burke Avenue, IRT White Plains Road Line, 9/12/1967. R-28 #7919, Burke Avenue, IRT White Plains Road Line, 10/25/1969. -William A. Padron ["East 241st St."] |
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Posted by W.B. on Sat May 12 13:53:58 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 11 19:36:22 2018. That B train marked as BB in that '68 photo - isn't that similar to c.1966 on the FACO Division 2A - Fifth/Madison/Seventh Avenues bus whereby, on Old Looks, all runs (NB and SB) on the front left roll signs would've incorrectly indicated "2 - Park & Madison Via-116 St," forcing drivers to put printed '2A' signs on the front left (opposite from the driver's side) and front side windows? (And conversely, NYCO Division 2 - Fifth/Madison/Lenox' southbound runs from then to 1969, on pre-1965 Fishbowls, reading "2 - 5th & 7th Avenues" on their sides. If any such pics were to come to light, I for one would love to see them.) |
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Posted by randyo on Sat May 12 15:39:58 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri May 11 20:17:31 2018. 1575 did make it to the Eastern and one evening, I had it in my KK train in early 1970 although unfortunately in the middle of the train and not on either operating end. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat May 12 15:41:17 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by W.B. on Sat May 12 13:53:58 2018. I think BB is to match the side route signs so that it would say 6th Avenue LOCAL. I don't remember exactly when the 6th Av express tracks and 57 Street opened. Eventually they put a patch on the BB with a B, white background, black font. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat May 12 15:48:07 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by Joe V on Sat May 12 15:41:17 2018. Once the 6 Av exp tks opened in 1967, the BB ceased to exist and the line became the B although it was the first of many mislabeled trains on the NYCTS. despite being among the many post Chrystie service plans, the cesspool of incompetence that passed and continues to pass for NYCTA planning neglected to include a B/6Ave Exp reading on either the end or side roll signs yet for some unknown reason included a C/8 Ave Exp reading. That’s why for many years, many R-32s and even 38s that ran there carried either BB signs or cheesy looking B signs that had been pasted over the BB readings. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat May 12 16:27:15 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by randyo on Sat May 12 15:48:07 2018. Did they have single G or H on the route signs ? |
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Posted by Dan on Sat May 12 18:30:25 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 11 19:36:22 2018. More great stuff! Thanks. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat May 12 18:49:13 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by Dave on Sat May 12 08:08:17 2018. I Googled 'tartar red' and drew a blank.Then Google is not your friend. lol Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat May 12 18:51:22 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by William A. Padron on Sat May 12 12:38:44 2018. Great detective work !Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by zac on Sat May 12 19:33:45 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by randyo on Sat May 12 15:48:07 2018. Even as a 12 year old kid back in '67 I wondered why they couldn't have picked a letter that was actually on the roll signs for that route, or had them included on the trains that were ordered just a few years before when Chrystie was being built. From that point on, so many trains ran without correct route signs. And then they had the R40/42/44/46 that only had specific routes, and these couldn't be shifted around as was inevitable. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat May 12 21:49:34 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by William A. Padron on Sat May 12 12:38:44 2018. Looks like a solid R-17 2 train, a rarity by then. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat May 12 21:52:37 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by randyo on Sat May 12 15:39:58 2018. I never saw it until my first visit to the Transit Museum and didn't ride on it until the 2004 Parade of Trains. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sat May 12 22:25:26 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by randyo on Sat May 12 15:48:07 2018. I don't remember the R38s having the cheesy B signs. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun May 13 00:32:21 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by Joe V on Sat May 12 16:27:15 2018. No. None of the IND cars had any single G or H signs since unlike the other lines that could potentially have operated both a local and an express service, the infrastructure for the GG and HH lines were not set up for both classes of service. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun May 13 00:37:26 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by zac on Sat May 12 19:33:45 2018. The problem with the R-40s through 46s is that for some reason the so called brains at the NYCTA and MTA wanted the roll signs to be able to provide a strip map of the lines the trains were on and failed to realize that the NYCTA lines were quite intertwined with each other unlike lines in other cities (except for Chicago) which were completely separate. When the R-62s were being designed, it was like pulling teeth to get the MTA suits to finally do away with the strip maps on the cars and allow 3 piece signage for flexibility. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun May 13 00:38:57 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sat May 12 22:25:26 2018. A few of the cheesy signs made their way to the R-38s. For some reason, the R-27/30s were able to have the correct signs installed even though very few of them actually operated on the B in the early days. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun May 13 01:10:39 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat May 12 21:49:34 2018. I imagine that after the R-17s left Pelham in 1959 with the arrival of the R-26s, that there few if any solid trains of R-17s outside the Pelham Line itself. There were a few R-17s sent to the Flushing Line just prior to the 1964 World’s Fair because it was originally anticipated that the R-36s for the line were to be in the red scheme of the Mainline R-29s and 33s. Since the R-17s were sort of red they were sent to the Flushing line to fulfill the promise of red trains. On the mainline, the R-17s were mixed in trains of anything that ran since the IRT was the first division to operate smorgastrains long before the post Chrystie mixing on the BMT/IND |
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Posted by mack c-49 on Sun May 13 06:24:01 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by randyo on Sat May 12 15:39:58 2018. I remember riding this car several times on the D and BB while I was in high school in the 60s. I always thought it was an A car which got away, and that R10s were interchangeable with earlier Rs. Apparently not. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun May 13 06:50:35 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by mack c-49 on Sun May 13 06:24:01 2018. I always thought it was an A car which got away, and that R10s were interchangeable with earlier Rs. Apparently not.My thought exactly when I saw #1575 buried mid consist in a (D) Culver train at Stillwell Ave in the mid-60's. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun May 13 07:16:48 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by randyo on Sun May 13 00:38:57 2018. I guess these aren't the "cheesy" signs you were talking about. (July 1978) 
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun May 13 08:09:29 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by randyo on Sun May 13 01:10:39 2018. You're catching on - I like to use the term, Borgaschmord Trains, after Mason Reese's famous gaffe in those Underwood Meat Spread commercials. At least the IRT cars for the most part were stylistically similar (except, of course for the R-12/14s). |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun May 13 08:13:22 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun May 13 06:50:35 2018. I've heard stories about 1575 finding its way into an R-10 consist and misbehaving. "It's not a SMEE!!!" |
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Posted by randyo on Sun May 13 15:13:16 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun May 13 07:16:48 2018. No. Later on, the R-32s through 38s and the R-16s got these signs which actually replaced the DESTINATION signs on those cars. On some cars the original route sign windows were painted black and on others the original route signs were simply turned to blank. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun May 13 15:19:34 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun May 13 08:09:29 2018. I agree, but even the R-15s were distinctive enough that they really wouldn’t fit in with either the 12/24s or later models. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun May 13 15:23:54 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun May 13 08:13:22 2018. The time as I mentioned when I had 157s in my consist, when I was laying my train up at 111 St/Jamaica Av my C/C came back and said he had cut out everything in the train except for the “R-10 back there.” When I lived in Wash Hts pre Chrystie, 1575 was on the AA/BB and I only remember seeing it on the north end of trains but never on the south end or the middle. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sun May 13 15:33:00 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by randyo on Sun May 13 15:23:54 2018. Yeah, I rode #1575 on the "BB" only once back circa 1964-1965 on an uptown trip towards Washington Heights. It was placed towards the northern end of the train, but as the second or third car in the consist.I would later see #1575 on the downtown local track at 145th Street upper level within the same time period. Also, I once rode an R-10 on the "BB" back in 1965 going uptown from Sixth Avenue-34th Street to Washington Heights. -William A. Padron ["Wash. Hts.-6th Av. Lcl."] |
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Posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Sun May 13 16:55:20 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by William A. Padron on Sun May 13 15:33:00 2018. I saw it at least once on the lead of a Manhattan bound E or F train at 71st/Continental. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun May 13 19:09:14 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by randyo on Sun May 13 15:13:16 2018. I am glad they never butchered the R27/30 like that. They patched in the QJ/RJ/NX/EE ? quite quickly after Nov 67 until the TA got the stupid ideas of R42-izing the head signs on the other cars. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun May 13 23:58:14 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by Joe V on Sun May 13 19:09:14 2018. I suppose the reason the R-27/30s got the proper signs first was because of the lines they were expected to run on. The R-27/30s ran mostly on the QJ, and RR which is why they got the proper signs spliced into the existing rollers right away. Why the same thing wasn’t done with B signs on the R-32s is anybody’s guess and the R-38s were expected to remain on the Queens IND initially. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon May 14 18:47:53 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by randyo on Sun May 13 15:13:16 2018. Initially the R-32s displayed both the original route sign and the new multicolored sign simultaneously. I never cared for those multicolored signs on those cars. They could have kept the front destination signs. With the slant R-40s and R-42s having just a large route sign up front, they wanted the older equipment to look similar. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue May 15 16:42:30 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon May 14 18:47:53 2018. Once the color coded bullets were installed the old route signs were supposed to be turned to blank even though some M/M probably didn’t do it. One week in 1969 I had a train of R-16s on the Culver Shuttle the north motor of which was one of the rare R-16s that originally had Southern Div route numbers on the roll. I signed it up with both 5/Culver and SS. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed May 16 19:44:33 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Some More Odds & Ends, posted by randyo on Tue May 15 16:42:30 2018. I remember seeing R-32 AA trains with both front route signs showing. |
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