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China -Bullet Train

Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed May 16 10:14:49 2018

Bullet

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Re: China -Bullet Train

Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed May 16 11:54:03 2018, in response to China -Bullet Train, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed May 16 10:14:49 2018.

Whale, da truff is that the US is always so far ahead that we are behind.

We had the best steel mills during WW-II but after we bombed the britches off of Germany and Japan, they rebuilded, while ours got older.

We were first in flight while our rails got rustier.

China OTOH... had little or no airpots, and builded railroads instead. Now them has the bes railroads and we are still stuck with aeroplanes.

Tain't FAIR I say.

Tear out tose airports and build more railroad trains.

WE ALREADY HAVE the rights of way, only problem is that we have expressways sitting on them. Well we can bulid HSR over under around and through the expressways and then could eliminate all air travel east of the Mississississippi.

ROAR

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Re: China -Bullet Train

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 16 11:59:19 2018, in response to Re: China -Bullet Train, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed May 16 11:54:03 2018.

Wᴇ ᴀʟʀᴇᴀᴅʏ ʜᴀᴠᴇ the rights of way; only problem is that we have expressways sitting on them

Maximum grade on a US interstate is 6 percent. Not conducive to having HSR alongside all of them.

Never mind a lot of private rights of way in the Midwest being almost dead straight themselves. DC needs to get out of the way and allow private investment, and also to not be against gas turbine HSR (that would be better for high-speed intercity what with being more efficient at higher speeds in the 190-200 mph range).

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Re: China -Bullet Train

Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed May 16 13:03:41 2018, in response to Re: China -Bullet Train, posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 16 11:59:19 2018.

"Maximum grade on a US interstate is 6 percent. Not conducive to having HSR alongside all of them."

Whale is is not as bad as you think. With traction on every wheel they can make better grades, but you do not build HRS sets on the ground. All lines are built up, on risers of some sort, and so the grads and curves can be dealt with as needed.

IT is true that out west all section lines are a right of way, but most of these lines are required in the east.

ROAR

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Re: China -Bullet Train

Posted by italianstallion on Wed May 16 14:35:19 2018, in response to China -Bullet Train, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed May 16 10:14:49 2018.

Well, you can do a lot when you're a dictatorship. Even Mussolini made the trains run on time.

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Re: China -Bullet Train

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 16 17:36:48 2018, in response to Re: China -Bullet Train, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed May 16 11:54:03 2018.

China does not have the best railroads by a long shot. Not to mention, their HSTs are knockoffs of German and Japanese trains.

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Re: China -Bullet Train

Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed May 16 18:24:58 2018, in response to Re: China -Bullet Train, posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 16 17:36:48 2018.

German and Japanese lines are growing old and long in the tooth.
So China's are not the best, but they sure are better than ours.
ROAR

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Re: China -Bullet Train

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 16 18:32:41 2018, in response to Re: China -Bullet Train, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed May 16 18:24:58 2018.

Not given how junky they are from the outset.

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Re: China -Bullet Train

Posted by Alan Follett on Wed May 16 18:38:29 2018, in response to Re: China -Bullet Train, posted by italianstallion on Wed May 16 14:35:19 2018.

Yeah...NIMBYism is not a big influence on transportation policy in the Peoples’ Republic. Still, what they’ve willed and spent into being is impressive.

Alan Follett
South San Francisco, CA

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Re: China -Bullet Train

Posted by Alan Follett on Wed May 16 18:41:43 2018, in response to Re: China -Bullet Train, posted by Alan Follett on Wed May 16 18:38:29 2018.

Er, People’s.

Alan Follett
South San Francisco, CA

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Re: China -Bullet Train

Posted by Dave on Wed May 16 18:42:34 2018, in response to Re: China -Bullet Train, posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 16 18:32:41 2018.

Reviews have been favorable.

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Re: China -Bullet Train

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 16 18:45:27 2018, in response to Re: China -Bullet Train, posted by Dave on Wed May 16 18:42:34 2018.

So what? Anyone can buy a favorable review, and the Red Chinese know how to buy anything.

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Re: China—Bullet Train

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 17 10:49:02 2018, in response to Re: China -Bullet Train, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed May 16 13:03:41 2018.

With traction on every wheel they can make better grades

Not even subway trains bother with grades that steep. And on ICE 3 trains, only eight trucks have traction.

you do not build HRS sets on the ground

Yes you do.

All lines are built up, on risers of some sort

No they aren't.

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Re: China -Bullet Train

Posted by Nilet on Thu May 17 11:06:39 2018, in response to Re: China -Bullet Train, posted by italianstallion on Wed May 16 14:35:19 2018.

Even Mussolini made the trains run on time.

He didn't. That's an urban legend.

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Re: China -Bullet Train

Posted by Nilet on Thu May 17 11:06:41 2018, in response to Re: China -Bullet Train, posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 16 17:36:48 2018.

China does not have the best railroads by a long shot.

Better than ours. And in a country of similar size.

Not to mention, their HSTs are knockoffs of German and Japanese trains.

"Knockoffs" how? So if you don't build a high speed network first, it doesn't count?

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Re: China -Bullet Train

Posted by italianstallion on Thu May 17 15:35:34 2018, in response to Re: China -Bullet Train, posted by Nilet on Thu May 17 11:06:39 2018.

It's actually an interurban legend.

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Re: China -Bullet Train

Posted by AlM on Thu May 17 15:45:48 2018, in response to Re: China -Bullet Train, posted by Nilet on Thu May 17 11:06:39 2018.

I thought he made them run on time by lengthening the schedules.

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Re: China -Bullet Train

Posted by Nilet on Thu May 17 23:23:12 2018, in response to Re: China -Bullet Train, posted by italianstallion on Thu May 17 15:35:34 2018.

OK, you get a point.

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Re: China -Bullet Train

Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri May 18 03:39:28 2018, in response to Re: China -Bullet Train, posted by italianstallion on Wed May 16 14:35:19 2018.

Well, you can do a lot when you're a dictatorship.

Oddly, Spain and France managed to build a network that spans most of their population without being authoritarian regimes...

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Re: China -Bullet Train

Posted by northshore on Fri May 18 07:00:16 2018, in response to China -Bullet Train, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed May 16 10:14:49 2018.

China is and will be building all our rail, subway and light rail cars in the future.

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Re: China—Bullet Train

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 18 07:36:51 2018, in response to Re: China -Bullet Train, posted by northshore on Fri May 18 07:00:16 2018.

That's never going to happen. I remember over ten years ago predictions of "we're going to have Chinese-built automobiles in the US"; didn't happen either.

They don't even have their own designs. Knockoff ICE 3 trains run on their systems. All their building is for the purpose of inflating their GDP numbers; it's a disaster.

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Re: China—Bullet Train

Posted by northshore on Fri May 18 08:33:04 2018, in response to Re: China—Bullet Train, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 18 07:36:51 2018.

China is building subway cars for Boston, Los Angeles, Chicago and Atlanta.
China builds autos for the Asian market for all the U.S. and European car companies.

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Re: China—Bullet Train

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 18 09:54:12 2018, in response to Re: China—Bullet Train, posted by northshore on Fri May 18 08:33:04 2018.

China is building subway cars for Boston, Los Angeles, Chicago and Atlanta

Four cities run by hard-left politicians does not make a majority or even a plurality. Once those clunkers die a rapid death, they'll be back to Japanese or European vendors (heaven forefend we go back to domestic production again, yes?)

China builds autos for the Asian market for all the U.S. and European car companies

Not for much longer.

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Re: China -Bullet Train

Posted by randyo on Fri May 18 14:40:32 2018, in response to Re: China -Bullet Train, posted by AlM on Thu May 17 15:45:48 2018.

No. That’s the MTA way. Whether or not i’s legend, one of the stories I heard is that Il Duce would have soldiers ride the trains and if they were late, the crews would be shot.

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